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10 minutes ago, TheKDub said:

Lenovo Yoga 710-15IKB
i5 7200U, 8GB of DDR4 RAM, 256GB Samsung M.2 SSD, 1080p IPS display, GTX 940MX GPU.
As for the rest of the internals, that's the real question. The WIFI card was some qualcomm card that has no windows 8.1 drivers from what I could find.

Then there's all the lenovo specific stuff with the yoga function (360* hinge and all the stuff with that), as well as the touchscreen.

 

Speccy usually can tell me exactly what's in a machine.  But I never worked with 360° hinges and  I can imagine that those use proprietary drivers, in which

case you're indeed locked down due to the laptop's manufacturer not providing 8.1 support for the hinge's functionality. 

 

That being said, if you can identify the files responsible (by checking the last changed after installing the driver on a fresh install), you may be able to copy-paste those files over to a fresh 8.1 install.  That's how people put DX11 on XP and that kind of fun. 

It's a crazy idea and you're likely to waste a day with all the re-installs and the fiddling, but what if it happens to work?  Then you should be good for the next 6 years (8.1 goes EoL in 2023)

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1 minute ago, Captain Chaos said:

 

Speccy usually can tell me exactly what's in a machine.  But I never worked with 360° hinges and  I can imagine that those use proprietary drivers, in which

case you're indeed locked down due to the laptop's manufacturer not providing 8.1 support for the hinge's functionality. 

 

That being said, if you can identify the files responsible (by checking the last changed after installing the driver on a fresh install), you may be able to copy-paste those files over to a fresh 8.1 install.  That's how people put DX11 on XP and that kind of fun. 

It's a crazy idea and you're likely to waste a day with all the re-installs and the fiddling, but what if it happens to work?  Then you should be good for the next 6 years (8.1 goes EoL in 2023)

 

I tried to go through the entire list of drivers for the laptop provided by Lenovo and had no luck. I did forget to install the two bits of software that they have hiding out in the windows store...

 

And I'll be using 8.1 until Microsoft comes out with something that isn't going to spy on everything I do and try forcing updates, software, and ads into my computer.
So maybe all I need is Windows 10 Enterprise, then just lock it down, since I've heard it gets a lot more control over everything than other versions of Windows 10.

Specs: CPU - Intel i7 8700K @ 5GHz | GPU - Gigabyte GTX 970 G1 Gaming | Motherboard - ASUS Strix Z370-G WIFI AC | RAM - XPG Gammix DDR4-3000MHz 32GB (2x16GB) | Main Drive - Samsung 850 Evo 500GB M.2 | Other Drives - 7TB/3 Drives | CPU Cooler - Corsair H100i Pro | Case - Fractal Design Define C Mini TG | Power Supply - EVGA G3 850W

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10 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

The opposite: Don't know a single DX12 title without a DX11 version that's almost as fast. 

Like I said, there are only a few true DX12 AAA titles. The ones that are like AOTS show vast improvements

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3 hours ago, Delicieuxz said:

DX 12 has turned out to be a big dud, so far. Most games actually lose performance when using it, and there's also Vulkan, which does the same thing as Windows 10 and runs on everything going back to Windows XP. I read of one developer who recently scrapped their DX 12 efforts in favour of starting work on Vulkan, because DX 12 offered nothing over Vulkan, while Vulkan offered much over DX 12, being multi-platform, and open source. Also, the vast majority of gamers currently have Nvidia GPUs, which so far don't benefit from DX 12 or Vulkan.

I seriously hope that's a trend that carries on.  If games run Linux I'll have no need for Windows at all.

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15 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

Like I said, there are only a few true DX12 AAA titles. The ones that are like AOTS show vast improvements

True for AOTS but I never heard of a single person talking about it outside of the context of a benchmark. 

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Tried to switch back to 7. On a 4K screen, that's a big no-no.

Did anyone mention that dpi scaling is soo much better now on 10?

 

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the answer here is windows 10 LTSB

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I will fully switch to consoles for gaming before I become complicit in microsoft's attempts to turn my personal desktop into an advertising platform. I hope this trend continues and it forces microsoft to pull their head out of their ass and fire anyone even remotely associated with the direction of the current iteration of windows.

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22 hours ago, Okjoek said:

I didn't know nVIDIA were that bad to work with in that sense. How is AMD in comparison for them to work with? Does AMD have better optimization?

I can't comment on AMD with Linux, but from what I hear their open source driver is much better (aka, AMD themselves help develop it). Nvidia it's proprietary driver or 15% GPU speed with nouveau. The trouble is, nouveau works perfectly aside from speed, whereas nvidia proprietary driver does things like underclock your card for no reason, or screw up X11/Compiz after hibernation etc.

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20 hours ago, Captain Chaos said:

Any hints on how to legally get that as a regular consumer?

Legally? no...

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On 3/4/2017 at 2:59 PM, AnnoyedShelf said:

To be 100% transparent though, my main machines are still running Windows 10 Pro, as I kind of need it for school and work.  Still a shitty OS though.

Yeah same I still dual boot windows 7. It's almost exclusively for school and games though.

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On 3/4/2017 at 5:29 PM, Delicieuxz said:

there's also Vulkan, which does the same thing as Windows 10 and runs on everything going back to Windows XP.

You keep on leaving out how Vulkan doesn't run as well on older versions of Windows than 10, because older versions of WDDM don't provide as deep low-level hardware access 9_9

 

Keep in mind I'm not defending 10. I'm just saying that even if you're gonna be playing Vulkan games, they will run better on 10 than 8.x, 7, Vista and XP due to WDDM 2.0.

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On 5-3-2017 at 9:12 AM, Equlix said:

I will fully switch to consoles for gaming before I become complicit in microsoft's attempts to turn my personal desktop into an advertising platform. I hope this trend continues and it forces microsoft to pull their head out of their ass and fire anyone even remotely associated with the direction of the current iteration of windows.

What console are you planning to get then?

Xbone isn't an option because MS wants to close the gap between Xbone and desktops, so that will end up being the same disaster.

The switch, too soon to say but imo first signs aren't great, it looks like the nintendo consoles just aren't as solid as before.

PS4, maybe, but then again i won't be surprised they are trying to compete with Xbone so god knows where that will end up.

 

At least with windows we know sort of where it's going. With consoles it's much more vague and harder to figure out what's next.

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28 minutes ago, samcool55 said:

What console are you planning to get then?

Xbone isn't an option because MS wants to close the gap between Xbone and desktops, so that will end up being the same disaster.

The switch, too soon to say but imo first signs aren't great, it looks like the nintendo consoles just aren't as solid as before.

PS4, maybe, but then again i won't be surprised they are trying to compete with Xbone so god knows where that will end up.

 

At least with windows we know sort of where it's going. With consoles it's much more vague and harder to figure out what's next.

Games being released far apart on consoles doesn't help with what's next either.

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43 minutes ago, samcool55 said:

What console are you planning to get then?

Xbone isn't an option because MS wants to close the gap between Xbone and desktops, so that will end up being the same disaster.

The switch, too soon to say but imo first signs aren't great, it looks like the nintendo consoles just aren't as solid as before.

PS4, maybe, but then again i won't be surprised they are trying to compete with Xbone so god knows where that will end up.

 

At least with windows we know sort of where it's going. With consoles it's much more vague and harder to figure out what's next.

i'd say the PS4 is also out of the picture soon: 

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You keep on leaving out how Vulkan doesn't run as well on older versions of Windows than 10, because older versions of WDDM don't provide as deep low-level hardware access 9_9

 

Keep in mind I'm not defending 10. I'm just saying that even if you're gonna be playing Vulkan games, they will run better on 10 than 8.x, 7, Vista and XP due to WDDM 2.0.

I wasn't aware that's a factor. I'd like to see some benchmarks comparing Vulkan in Windows 7 vs 10 for verification, to see how much difference in gained FPS there is, if any. I didn't find any when I searched, just now.

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On 3/4/2017 at 5:59 PM, Princess Cadence said:

I do not understand why is Microsoft trying so hard to get rid of the start menu though, that crap that win8 was... are they That much in need to copy Apple? Everyone who uses Windows is used with the start menu doing its thing down there on the left and appreciates it, leave it be lol

This.

 

Not to mention the metro UI looking like crap. (yeah you can change it, but still. It's freaking hideous.)

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6 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

This.

 

Not to mention the metro UI looking like crap. (yeah you can change it, but still. It's freaking hideous.)

Apple had the advantage of having more keyboard shortcuts than you could shake a bushy stick at, mixed with all the trackpad and magic mouse ones. All by default, and very user customizable; they even have little gifs showing how to redo trackpad short cuts, and macros in their "control panel".

It's a mess for sure, at first, but damn is it all so handy.

MS trying to copy parts of it all, and failing is just a mess; made worse with them removing the start button and normal control panels functions more.

I give them credit for "Task View" it's a nice OSX and Linux clone, but the rest is a mess.

 

Never mind the horrific forced ad placement for their crap. I often get a pop-up for One Drive when I'm busy working in Dropbox, or Mega; and all the other crap they're shoving in.

They need to slim down and give control back to users, at least on the Pro versions. Windows 7 is a fantastic OS still, and the fact that it's still offering better gaming in some cases ( also on Ryzen ) makes you really dislike them. Trying to force new CPUs to only work on Windows 10 as well.

They need to get a drip, or Windows 7 will be around much longer than XP was.

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10 minutes ago, Valentyn said:

Apple had the advantage of having more keyboard shortcuts than you could shake a bushy stick at, mixed with all the trackpad and magic mouse ones. All by default, and very user customizable; they even have little gifs showing how to redo trackpad short cuts, and macros in their "control panel".

It's a mess for sure, at first, but damn is it all so handy.

MS trying to copy parts of it all, and failing is just a mess; made worse with them removing the start button and normal control panels functions more.

I give them credit for "Task View" it's a nice OSX and Linux clone, but the rest is a mess.

 

Never mind the horrific forced ad placement for their crap. I often get a pop-up for One Drive when I'm busy working in Dropbox, or Mega; and all the other crap they're shoving in.

They need to slim down and give control back to users, at least on the Pro versions. Windows 7 is a fantastic OS still, and the fact that it's still offering better gaming in some cases ( also on Ryzen ) makes you really dislike them. Trying to force new CPUs to only work on Windows 10 as well.

They need to get a drip, or Windows 7 will be around much longer than XP was.

Ads mean bandwidth. Something I don't have much of.

 

Since I'll have to switch to W10 on my upcoming Kaby Lake build, I'm gonna just go the direct route and block traffic from MS via my router. Gonna be annoying as hell to have to constantly turn it on and off.

Ketchup is better than mustard.

GUI is better than Command Line Interface.

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24 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

Ads mean bandwidth. Something I don't have much of.

 

Since I'll have to switch to W10 on my upcoming Kaby Lake build, I'm gonna just go the direct route and block traffic from MS via my router. Gonna be annoying as hell to have to constantly turn it on and off.

 

It's an extreme measure, but sadly needed. MS really aren't helping themselves here; nor the consumer.

 

Sadly the switch to Linux is still a pipedream for 99% of all users. :( 

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On 2017-03-04 at 11:59 PM, Princess Cadence said:

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I have also changed a lot of things in Windows 10 but the thing is that I shouldn't have to. Not only does it take a very long time, but Microsoft has also pushed out updates which resets settings several times. Are you really going to go digging around in the registry every time you install an update?

Not to mention that the testing takes a really long time. Call me whatever you want, but I don't use programs like anti-beacon because it seems to me like they run in the background, and/or they can cause other issues. If I am going to block something, I need to research how to block it properly and what effects blocking it will have. I don't just apply some random firewall rule that someone else wrote because who knows what stuff that person put in. I will run a network sniffer and then look at the data myself.

"Windows 10 anti spying" programs reminds me a lot of these registry cleaners people loved to use before. People have no idea what they do, but since someone else told them that it was great they just run them without asking any questions or understanding what they are doing. That's a really bad idea.

 

On top of that, the way Windows 10 is built is an issue. Things like not being able to install individual updates can't be fixed with some simple script. A lot of these scripts even goes as far as to block all updates. That's a terrible idea. It's as bad as those scripts that blocks the Windows store, causing your built in UWP programs to not be able to update themselves.

 

But even if we ignore all those issues, we still have the issue of Microsoft treating their customers like garbage. It's kind of like going "yeah my husband him me, but if I put makeup on it's like it never happened". Sure you could do it, but you shouldn't have to. Especially not since he will be back in a few months and throw another punch your way.

You shouldn't accept this type of treatment, and I am happy to see that people don't do it.

 

Microsoft won't change their terrible behavior if people just comply. Since they also do shitty things like silently neutering GPOs you can't be sure that tools like anti-beacon actually have any effect unless you check it for yourself.

It wasn't too long ago Microsoft changed a few GPOs so that the on/off switches didn't do anything. They were still there in the list, and you could still enable/disable them, but it did not have any effect whatsoever unless you had Windows 10 Enterprise or Windows 10 Education editions.

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The spybot anti-beacon is probably the only truly reliable for this matter, the video below goes on about all those tools extensively with the verdict of only the spybot does what it promises while yes everything else are just scams as any of us would expect them to be. After I used it the telemetry was blocked with no downsides in performance, and I am the type that even killed Cortana process for good for those 30mb it uses on memory lol.

 

Now everything else I do agree with you, it sucks that Microsoft can't just do their clients a favour and make customization plain simple, I have being wanting a native black theme for the explorer.exe since forever and no words on that, and they have mistakes that simply makes no sense, I know most users are very incapable but Microsoft should quit treating all like babies and give the user more freedom.

 

It does suck that I have to install a third party application like Classic shell because I can't natively have the Normal start menu like the win7 one, I do not want one filling all my desktop space nor being filled with useless apps and advertises I do not want, it sucks that I have to edit the registry to have the Windows Photo Viewer back as prefer it over the "Photos" instead of just giving me an easy switch way... etc.

 

But I am not complying by finding these ways around, nor using third party applications, what were I suppose to do? use the Windows 10 as it is and just complain? No I did my best to still make it the operating system I wanted it to be, I know it isn't perfect but it is a "resistency" if everybody started doing what Linus decided to call win9 through these tweaking it is more likely(though not certain sadly) to Microsoft realize That is what the users want.

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So far I haven't gotten any advertising, if I start getting it I may truly consider going back. Either way the spyware was added to w7, so for that it doesn't really matter.

 

Game devs and gpu manufacturers, please start supporting linux properly

Don't ask to ask, just ask... please 🤨

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1 hour ago, Princess Cadence said:

The spybot anti-beacon is probably the only truly reliable for this matter, the video below goes on about all those tools extensively with the verdict of only the spybot does what it promises while yes everything else are just scams as any of us would expect them to be. After I used it the telemetry was blocked with no downsides in performance, and I am the type that even killed Cortana process for good for those 30mb it uses on memory lol.

The problem is that the video is already over a year old, and in that time a lot of things might have changed in that time.

Also, I don't really trust Jerry. I haven't seen a lot of him, but the way he described things like C on the WAN show makes me not trust him.

 

Going to look through the video but judging by the description alone the video seems... not that great.

Things like "remove all entries related to X" is bad. Especially since it seems like neither Jerry nor the viewers have any idea why these entries are even there to begin with. Not to mention that Windows actually ignores some host entries... Without logging your network traffic you might just be doing a bunch of things which have no effect.

 

Haven't looked through the entire video yet, but I am getting a "spray and pray" vibe from it.

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