RyZen will get official Windows 7 support

[Prysin]

6 hours ago, JoaoPRSousa said:

 

But doesn't the Ryzen family include APUs as well?  

no. the APUs are Raven Ridge, and they wont launch until May according to rumors

[Mooshi]

Ah Windows 7, the crack for old Windows XP users clutching at the past. 

[Curufinwe_wins]

This is a terrible move for coherent ecosystems and ignorant consumers alike.

 

Don't want Win 10? Then throw fucking Unix on the thing, don't fuck over all the rest of pcmasterrace by using an insecure, out of date, less efficient operating system.

[Delicieuxz]

19 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

Don't want Win 10? Then throw fucking Unix on the thing, don't fuck over all the rest of pcmasterrace by using an insecure, out of date, less efficient operating system.

Ridiculous and ignorant comment. You're screwing over PC users by pandering to Microsoft's bad business practices, deceitful marketing, shoddy modern QA, and anti-user OS designs.

 

Windows Vista to Windows 10 all run on basically the same kernel, and the differences between them, aside from Vista, are less major. A person who is running Windows 7 is already running Windows 10 - just without all the Windows 10 BS. And a person who is running Windows 10 is still running Windows 7, just with a whole lot of BS added on top. Other than the inconvenient crap, they're almost exactly the same OS. Windows 10 just rehashed that same OS, because Microsoft wants a revenue boost - and wants to get people's data through all the spyware that's been put into Windows 10.

 

And between the two, Windows 7 is less resource-heavy than Windows 10, on my machine (which has both installed).

 

Calling Windows 7 out of date is like calling the i7 6700K out of date, because the i7 7700K has been released - which is a refresh of the i7 6700K. It is the same situation with Windows 10 vs Windows 7.

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7 hours ago, Space Reptile said:

on the topic of Hvec 265 , this is handled by the gpu according to the article and not on the cpu

"That Ryzen can accelerate video, in turn, is unlikely. As a rule, the video processor is integrated in the graphics unit.

Desktop PCs based on Ryzen always need an external graphics card and its video unit will probably decide which formats can be accelerated in hardware." **

Hm, that quote out of context could make it sound like there will be no RyZen APUs  

7 hours ago, Space Reptile said:

** no guarantee on the accuracy of these translations as i used google translate and gave it a quick proofread , im no linguist 

But... aren't you from Germany?  Couldn't you translate yourself?  

[SCHISCHKA]

23 minutes ago, Delicieuxz said:

Ridiculous and ignorant comment.

Common response where ever i see someone associating with PCMR

29 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

Don't want Win 10? Then throw fucking Unix on the thing, don't fuck over all the rest of pcmasterrace by using an insecure, out of date, less efficient operating system.

Windows 7 is supported for a few more years, 2020 i believe. I have never heard of fucking Unix. What company produces an operating system called fucking?

 

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27 minutes ago, Delicieuxz said:

Calling Windows 7 out of date is like calling the i7 6700K out of date, because the i7 7700K has been released - which is a refresh of the i7 6700K. It is the same situation with Windows 10 vs Windows 7.

Nah, I'd liken it more to calling the 4770k out of date.  Sure, it's still great, still works, and isn't that old in the grand scheme, but they're not making new motherboards for it, and it's not going to support some of the latest features.

[SCHISCHKA]

7 hours ago, Space Reptile said:

"That Ryzen can accelerate video, in turn, is unlikely. As a rule, the video processor is integrated in the graphics unit.

Desktop PCs based on Ryzen always need an external graphics card and its video unit will probably decide which formats can be accelerated in hardware." **

ignoring the possible errors in translation I wonder if it will cooperate nicely with Nvidia GPU

[SCHISCHKA]

6 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

Nah, I'd liken it more to calling the 4770k out of date.  Sure, it's still great, still works, and isn't that old in the grand scheme, but they're not making new motherboards for it, and it's not going to support some of the latest features.

 out of date is when you cannot buy replacement parts brand new IMO

[TheKDub]

7 hours ago, Drak3 said:

Good, if Ryzen turns out to be a good performer, I might procure one of the scarce licenses that some local shops are still selling.

http://reddit.com/r/microsoftsoftwareswap should have plenty available for pretty cheap.

[Drak3]

1 minute ago, TheKDub said:

http://reddit.com/r/microsoftsoftwareswap should have plenty available for pretty cheap.

One shop will sell me a license for any version of Windows I want for like $20, going back to XP, because of how much I used to frequent the place.

[Curufinwe_wins]

47 minutes ago, Delicieuxz said:

Ridiculous and ignorant comment.

Lol you showed your own complete and utter ignorance with that display.

 

Windows 7 IS VISTA. It is nigh identical to Vista on the kernel level, and 8 through 10 are notable and significant departures from the vista/7 kernel (with 10 sharing as similar a kernel to 8.1 as 7 does to Vista).

 

Allowing people the option to buy new hardware and run out of date, terribly insecure, and non-supported platforms is the same crap that cost us 5+ extra years of 32 bit games (2011 games requiring custom script extenders when the first 64 bit consumer processors came out in 2003).

 

Yea you buy a Kabylake processor you shouldn't be allowed to use Windows 7. There I said it. People still manage to fuck up and install 32 bit versions of OSs and wonder why they can't use more than 4GB of ram. For the average consumer using EoL operating systems at all is an accident waiting to happen, and purposefully throwing it on new hardware is a travesty.

30 minutes ago, SCHISCHKA said:

Common response where ever i see someone associating with PCMR

Windows 7 is supported for a few more years, 2020 i believe. I have never heard of fucking Unix. What company produces an operating system called fucking?

 

EoL for Windows 7 was over two years ago. Aka no official technical support WHATSOEVER. It does gets slow rolling security patches until 2020 though.

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23 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

One shop will sell me a license for any version of Windows I want for like $20, going back to XP, because of how much I used to frequent the place.

Then please buy out the entire stock of XP licenses so no one else can have them  

[Drak3]

1 minute ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

Then please buy out the entire stock of XP licenses so no one else can have them  

Thankfully, they'll only sell them to enthusiasts and IT professionals that know the security concerns and don't intend on using them for machines connected to a network.

 

I worked for a company called Biomark that actually has a WinXP machine because a piece of software they use doesn't work under any other version of Windows or with Wine. They also have a Win95 machine for the exact same reason.

 

I'm also still fond of the UI of XP.

[TopWargamer]

28 minutes ago, TheKDub said:

http://reddit.com/r/microsoftsoftwareswap should have plenty available for pretty cheap.

This is my go-to for Windows and Office keys, although they raised their prices a few months back. I've seen some super cheap Windows 10 Pro keys pop up on Ebay for like $5. Essentially the same type of keys, but I wonder if they're more likely to get deactivated since it's being sold on Ebay.

[Ekst4zy]

YESSSSS! I love it!

 

I hate what Intel did with kaby lake. I have w10 and love my w7... I know, no dx12 for me ( I hate Microsoft for that too)

[SCHISCHKA]

40 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

EoL for Windows 7 was over two years ago. Aka no official technical support WHATSOEVER. It does gets slow rolling security patches until 2020 though.

you have confused end of life with end of sales. OEM windows 7 pro was only end of sales last year and will have extended support until Jan 14th 2020.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-nz/help/13853/windows-lifecycle-fact-sheet

Quote

Client operating systems and updates	Date of general availability	Retail software end of sales*	End of sales for PCs with Windows preinstalled
Windows XP	December 31, 2001	June 30, 2008	October 22, 2010
Windows Vista	January 30, 2007	October 22, 2010	October 22, 2011
Windows 7 Home Basic, Home Premium, Ultimate	October 22, 2009	October 31, 2013	October 31, 2014
Windows 7 Professional	October 22, 2009	October 31, 2013	October 31, 2016
Windows 8	October 26, 2012	October 31, 2014	June 30, 2016
Windows 8.1	October 18, 2013	September 1, 2015	October 31, 2016
Windows 10	July 29, 2015	N/A	N/A

* Note that when the retail software product reaches its end of sales date, it can still be purchased through OEMs (the company that made your PC) until it reaches the end of sales date for PCs with Windows preinstalled.

 

[SCHISCHKA]

47 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

Then please buy out the entire stock of XP licenses so no one else can have them  

LTT staff need to learn the difference between a key and a license. You are missing out on business opportunities here

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3 minutes ago, SCHISCHKA said:

you have confused end of life with end of sales. OEM windows 7 pro was only end of sales last year and will have extended support until Jan 14th 2020.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-nz/help/13853/windows-lifecycle-fact-sheet

 

Mainstream support ended on Jan 13th 2015

1 minute ago, SCHISCHKA said:

LTT staff need to learn the difference between a key and a license. You are missing out on business opportunities here

Oh yeah?  How?

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

Fight!

[GER_T4IGA]

8 hours ago, Space Reptile said:

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Not a linguist either but would confirm translation to be accurate.

[BaalRunz]

1 hour ago, Delicieuxz said:

Ridiculous and ignorant comment. You're screwing over PC users by pandering to Microsoft's bad business practices, deceitful marketing, shoddy modern QA, and anti-user OS designs.

 

Windows Vista to Windows 10 all run on basically the same kernel, and the differences between them, aside from Vista, are less major. A person who is running Windows 7 is already running Windows 10 - just without all the Windows 10 BS. And a person who is running Windows 10 is still running Windows 7, just with a whole lot of BS added on top. Other than the inconvenient crap, they're almost exactly the same OS. Windows 10 just rehashed that same OS, because Microsoft wants a revenue boost - and wants to get people's data through all the spyware that's been put into Windows 10.

 

And between the two, Windows 7 is less resource-heavy than Windows 10, on my machine (which has both installed).

 

Calling Windows 7 out of date is like calling the i7 6700K out of date, because the i7 7700K has been released - which is a refresh of the i7 6700K. It is the same situation with Windows 10 vs Windows 7.

Jesus, if I could gold this comment I would. Win 7 64-bit user for +5 years here, still holding strong. I feel like I'm an i5 2500k  

[Urishima]

7 hours ago, Drak3 said:

Can't believe you made me look at that garbage with my own two eyes.

I think you are mistaking win2k for winME. Now THAT was a proper shitshow.

[SCHISCHKA]

2 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

Mainstream support ended on Jan 13th 2015

https://support.microsoft.com/en-nz/help/17140/general-lifecycle-policy-questions

go to the section regarding the difference between mainstream and extended support. Unless you are a MS partner, software developer, or some special relationship to MS engineers, the mainstream support is unlikely to be relevant to you. Extended support with security updates is all a consumer needs to be concerned with. Whether your drivers will be supported isn't up to microsoft but third parties. 

5 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

Oh yeah?  How?

Unfortunately if you try to research online you get quite a bit of FUD and rubbish "research" by the likes of the BSA. I worked in anti-piracy for a few years and I'm happy to chat when I'm not busy. If you read the license agreements (who does that?) the product key is only one component of a license. A license is quite simply a contract. A key is a way to pass their DRM; it gives you the technical ability to use the software but does not give you the legal right. You have staff members that would have worked in sales and will know how crappy the margins are on OEM and retail software

 

[Drak3]

1 minute ago, Urishima said:

I think you are mistaking win2k for winME. Now THAT was a proper shitshow.

It was all garbage. Some was functional garbage, we don't speak of the other garbage.

 

All garbage.

 

Trash.

 

Curufinwe's arguments in this thread.

 

Decaf coffee.

 

Refuse.

 

Rubbish.

 

I can't think of any more synonyms for garbage.