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“Everything as a service” is coming—but we’re not there quite yet

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If you want the first and most classic example of "products as a service" look at the music industry.  They were the first to lose CD/album sales to streaming services, now people pay monthly fees to streaming all their music rather than buy it once and play it as many times as you like on any device.  The only upside is if you get board with a certain piece you can listen to something else, but you will never have the right to own a copy of that music again.  

And I know a lot of people don't like the facts but here they are:  everyone lost out with music as a service,  quality is shit, service is shit, cost is higher and the actual artist make less money (and it wasn't even their choice).

 

Think long and hard before endorsing the services method, there are upsides for sure, but there are also costly traps. 


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27 minutes ago, mr moose said:

If you want the first and most classic example of "products as a service" look at the music industry.  They were the first to lose CD/album sales to streaming services, now people pay monthly fees to streaming all their music rather than buy it once and play it as many times as you like on any device.  The only upside is if you get board with a certain piece you can listen to something else, but you will never have the right to own a copy of that music again.  

i think i'm the odd one out here but i just can't imagine myself buying a streaming service to hear songs, i've always stuck to getting the song on my phone's mem card and listening with my preferred player, i have prime account which comes with amazon prime music, i have youtube premium but i never use it to listen songs, i just can't trust my data plan to use a music streaming service.  


 

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2 hours ago, mr moose said:

And I know a lot of people don't like the facts but here they are:  everyone lost out with music as a service,  quality is shit, service is shit, cost is higher and the actual artist make less money (and it wasn't even their choice).

Not sure I'm following you, streaming is like $120 a year while buying an album is like $12-15. Quality is also pretty high, don't see a  difference with my 320kbps .mp3s. 

 


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4 hours ago, comander said:

If you aren't an expert, good luck in securing the data. 
I'm not saying that data leaks don't happen on AWS/Azure/GCP but privacy/security are harder to do than you think. 

I'm pretty good.  Not saying it couldn't happen, but it is far less likely to due to me keeping up on security as well as they would, and being a much smaller attack vector on a smaller target.  Doesn't hurt that all of my data paths are secure by design too, so even if they got my local data they are unlikely to get anything of worth to them.  :)

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i hate subscription service

i was one of those people who's not creative but wants to buy adobe photoshop to play around as i have some interest in graphic design, but nope its subscription service and i'm not gonna pay continuously for some hobby that i really lack.....though i heard affinity designer pretty good these days, anybody using that?

 

i hate game subscription

this one can go f*** itself

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15 hours ago, floofer said:

I read the entire article I still don't know what the news is sorry 

Cloud service, as a service?

 

All I know is that I want the person responsible for coining the phrase "The Cloud" to be shot.

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2 hours ago, Andreas Lilja said:

Not sure I'm following you, streaming is like $120 a year while buying an album is like $12-15. Quality is also pretty high, don't see a  difference with my 320kbps .mp3s. 

 

Which particular bit?  I hear a difference between the average spotify/youtube stream and cd's.  It's night and day. 


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15 hours ago, Arika S said:

wont be a thing until the rest of the world has better internet.

You say rest as in some place has fast internet all over. I would be hard pressed to find a single country that has internet access to every citizen.


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4 minutes ago, mr moose said:

Which particular bit?  I hear a difference between the average spotify/youtube stream and cd's.  It's night and day. 

They do sound close enough to the same when you've got bad speakers and or bad headphones/earbuds.

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5 minutes ago, MoonSpot said:

They do sound close enough to the same when you've got bad speakers and or bad headphones/earbuds.

I'll accept they are perfectly fine on a bus, in a shopping center anywhere where you just want to have some music while things go on, but for me in my studio or at my PC I may as well dig out my cassettes for the quality. 


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1 hour ago, mr moose said:

Which particular bit?  I hear a difference between the average spotify/youtube stream and cd's.  It's night and day. 

Spotify sound quality (even the normal one but especially Spotify high quality) is night and day compared to YouTube. I hope you don't think Spotify and YouTube sound the same, because they don't at all.... Spotify is way better.


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Am I... Am I reading the original article incorrectly? Or has everybody that has posted thus far done so instead?

 

I'm not going to say I understand the article in depth, I've only recently gotten into learning AWS... but everyone here seems to be talking about a completely different topic than the one posted.


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4 hours ago, RyomaSJibenG said:

i hate subscription service

i was one of those people who's not creative but wants to buy adobe photoshop to play around as i have some interest in graphic design, but nope its subscription service and i'm not gonna pay continuously for some hobby that i really lack.....though i heard affinity designer pretty good these days, anybody using that?

 

i hate game subscription

this one can go f*** itself

If you wanna mess around with graphics design on the cheap get serif draw plus, it's what affinity designer replaced and can be had for 20 dollars or so. 

 

It is outdated, but it gets the job done.

 

Then if you like it, go ahead and upgrade to the full affinity deal


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2 hours ago, Mihle said:

Spotify sound quality (even the normal one but especially Spotify high quality) is night and day compared to YouTube. I hope you don't think Spotify and YouTube sound the same, because they don't at all.... Spotify is way better.

No, I am not that stupid.


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On 9/11/2019 at 1:01 AM, justpoet said:

If I can't buy it and keep the data on it to myself, I'm not interested.  Privacy matters.

 

Yes, I know I'm the minority, which is sad.

 

I'm with you on this.  In fact, I don't have the means to do so now (or the place to set up the equipment), but someday I would like to take the concept even farther.  Build my OWN server, on which I host my OWN data that's normally in the cloud (for example anything of mine that's on Google, Facebook, wherever else).  This server would sit in my OWN house, using my OWN internet connection (one that's not "watchdogged" by some ISP), I would do my OWN maintenance on the server, *I* would decide what happens with my data, and so on and so forth.


Yes, I will of course have to interact with other sites / services, but MY data STAYS with ME.  I would only share what is necessary as long as necessary.  I might even go so far as to have the contents of my various forum posts around the internet hosted on MY server; the forum server would basically pull my post off my server, and I may consider letting them make a backup of my content.  (I of course would want to have an air-gapped backup of my entire server, on a 2nd server that doesn't even have any LAN ports.  (Backups might be done, for example, by physically disconnecting the main server from the network, plugging the storage media directly into the motherboard or SAS cards on the backup server, and copying the data.)

 

14 hours ago, MoonSpot said:

Any time I buy software, I buy physical.  I've also got an update repository on my NAS for when they're updated where I maintain several versions of several programs.  As for games I buy physical when I can, and tend not to buy/play the title at all when I cannot get an actual physical copy.

 

The day you let those companies convince you to give them your money, and house your media/assets in their cloud, was the day you lost both your data and money.

 

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10 hours ago, Trik'Stari said:

Cloud service, as a service?

 

All I know is that I want the person responsible for coining the phrase "The Cloud" to be shot.

But I keep being told that it will solve all of our problems and integrating everything into an all new environment for many users is very simple...says someone in upper management who went to a Google conference once.


"Your next line is..."

 

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This while thing is just some dude rambling on and on about "service, and the cloud" and it's a opinion piece.


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1 hour ago, NumLock21 said:

This while thing is just some dude rambling on and on about "service, and the cloud" and it's a opinion piece.

For real, the dude is just talking about cloud replacing more and more infrastructure for enterprises, I legitimately have no clue where this discussion of subscriptions and privacy came from. It's an opinion piece about something nobody in this thread has grasped.


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15 hours ago, justpoet said:

I'm pretty good.  Not saying it couldn't happen, but it is far less likely to due to me keeping up on security as well as they would, and being a much smaller attack vector on a smaller target.  Doesn't hurt that all of my data paths are secure by design too, so even if they got my local data they are unlikely to get anything of worth to them.  :)

Probably easier to use a reasonably secure third party system and to encrypt the data. Short of a court order or quantum supremacy it's not getting decrypted


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some things work with a subscription system some things dont. i hate subscriptions for stuff like adobe creative cloud just let me have the option to get the software without cloud and make it a one time purchase

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did wonders for gaming as a whole

 

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8 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

This while thing is just some dude rambling on and on about "service, and the cloud" and it's a opinion piece.

 

6 hours ago, Suika said:

For real, the dude is just talking about cloud replacing more and more infrastructure for enterprises, I legitimately have no clue where this discussion of subscriptions and privacy came from. It's an opinion piece about something nobody in this thread has grasped.

 

Nearly every article you read about tech and consumer software services is an opinion piece because they all rely on a personal definition of what the consumer law is and how the tech is used.

 

The reason these discussions take off and go in all directions is a combination of those differences in understanding of product/service/consumer law and the fact that we genuinely have little power to control this market, so a certain amount of fear drives the discussion into all sorts of places.


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6 hours ago, Suika said:

For real, the dude is just talking about cloud replacing more and more infrastructure for enterprises, I legitimately have no clue where this discussion of subscriptions and privacy came from. It's an opinion piece about something nobody in this thread has grasped.

It seems the author of the article is trying to tie cloud and subscription together, but subscription has nothing to do with the cloud. A person can have a subscription service for Adobe CC where they pay a monthly fee, but they don't have cloud storage, they save their work on their own computer.


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