[Suggestion] A thread explaining ban rules?

[r2724r16]

Can we have a thread explaining how bans/suspensions works?

 

For example, how many warning points you need for a suspension, how many for a permaban, what are some reasons for a permaban, etc.

 

I just feel that ban/suspension rules aren't transparent, and they could be more clear and well laid-out.

 

Thanks!

[NinJake]

 

I understand they don't specifically state EXACTLY what consists of a ban or suspension, but follow the community standards and you won't have to worry about these things in the first place.

[minibois]

Pretty sure they don't want any moderation stuff to be public at all, since it's their discretion as to what is warning point/ban worthy at any time.

Otherwise you would have user argue "Why did I get a temp ban for X, while the requirements clearly state Y!!" as well as I think it would promote people being more 'risque'. 

Basically people thinking "oh, pff.. I only need like 4 warning points* to get a temp ban!"

 

Personally I don't see it happening , since the rules are laid out pretty clearly.

 

 

* I totally made this number up, no clue how the moderation works here.

[r2724r16]

1 minute ago, NinJake said:

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Community Standards doesn't explain the ban/suspension rules though. 

Just now, Minibois said:

Otherwise you would have user argue "Why did I get a temp ban for X, while the requirements clearly state Y!!" as well as I think it would promote people being more 'risque'. 

I feared this would be a problem, but I guess it's up to the individual.

 

But I still feel that rules should be clearly stated, despite what people might do if they knew the specifics of how a ban/suspension works.

[keskparane]

Bans are for people who are unaware, or unable to apply, common courtesy. I would have thought the rules were pretty well laid out by pretty much every person people like to call snowflakes (an example of insulting someone for their point of view). If they don't know the rules by the time they have learnt to write then I doubt they would care.

[minibois]

1 minute ago, Geography said:

But I still feel that rules should be clearly stated, despite what people might do if they knew the specifics of how a ban/suspension works.

I wish they were a little more clear on how it works in terms of temp ban to perma ban. Have seen a lot of good members get banned here, while not knowing what happened exactly. It's against rules to inquire publicly about what happened; but it would be kinda of nice to know like "oh, they get temp banned x amount of times, that's why" or whatever.

 

But again, I feel like they don't post this stuff publicly, because they don't want people to just compare some numbers (like comparing the amount of temp bans, while not knowing the severity of the ban cases, for example and inadvertently judging a situation wrongly).

[Semper]

the tl;dr really is simple:

 

Infractions will result in suspensions, repeated infractions or something so egregious that it's warranted, will result in a permanent ban

[Tristerin]

It is simple as explained a few times, but to simplify it potentially further by using different words:

 

"Be excellent to each other"  Bill and Ted

 

After that, its up to the moderators, the actions you have committed and whether they may personally dislike you.  This isn't a state run program that has rules and regulations.  Its just a forum owned by some bro's.  Don't piss off the bro's and bro'ettes and you should be good.

[Tristerin]

I mean Ive made it over 2000 posts without an infraction and I am sure I irritate people, piss people off, talk rudely sometimes, and argue.

 

I even one time had Linus himself quote me and tell me to chill, community standards etc.  I thought for SURE I was going to get me at least an infraction.  But I chilled and its coo' bro.

[Imbellis]

Perhaps something to the extent of "multiple or intentional infractions may lead to a ban" could be added to clear stuff up.

 

I think that'd catch all circumstances while giving moderators enough room for decision. Not all cases can be quantified under a concise guideline - there are too many ways things could go. An example would be a case of sarcasm between friends - from the outside, it may seem like an insult, but both know it's not

 

[LogicalDrm]

I've often compared moderation on forums to real world policing/justice system. Now, this might vary between countries, but unless you are part of system some way, you don't know how much what offense will get after court. You have general point of view. Like first minor offense is slap on the wrist, second might get some time in jail. Or heavy offense to start is directly jail time. And so on.

[Arika]

i imagine it's much like this

 

[Windows7ge]

Learning though conversations with mods. The warning point system has few defined variables. The number means almost nothing. It would seem there is a cap in terms of now many it takes to get some sort of punishment (I assume ban) but unless you hit that cap it doesn't matter how many you have the punishments are handed out manually independent of the number.

 

So you could have 5 warning points with no restrictions while the person next to your could have 5 but not be able to post status updates.

 

It's not a perfect system but who says it has to be so long as everyone behaves like they're suppose to.

[JoostinOnline]

20 hours ago, Geography said:

Community Standards doesn't explain the ban/suspension rules though.  

Follow the community standards and you won't get banned or suspended. It's that simple.

[Guest]

3 hours ago, JoostinOnline said:

Follow the community standards and you won't get banned or suspended. It's that simple.

Exactly.

 

If you get banned, it is advised to contact the moderator(s) directly. It isn't anyone else's business as to why you think it's unfair you got banned.

 

Having a thread explaining why and how you can get banned is subjective depending on scenario. You can't expect the staff team to address every possible scenario just because someone can't read the Community Standards. They're standards for a reason. They're enforced.

[Enderman]

There is no clear line or set rule.

It's a pretty arbitrary case-by-case basis.

You could be banned after 3 or after 30 warning points.

It completely depends on what you do, how often, what context, what mood the staff is in, what the weather is outside, etc.

[piemadd]

On 2/20/2019 at 5:10 PM, Minibois said:

Pretty sure they don't want any moderation stuff to be public at all, since it's their discretion as to what is warning point/ban worthy at any time.

Otherwise you would have user argue "Why did I get a temp ban for X, while the requirements clearly state Y!!" as well as I think it would promote people being more 'risque'. 

Basically people thinking "oh, pff.. I only need like 4 warning points* to get a temp ban!"

 

Personally I don't see it happening , since the rules are laid out pretty clearly.

 

 

* I totally made this number up, no clue how the moderation works here.

thowback to when i had -3 warning points

[AlTech]

On 2/20/2019 at 11:05 PM, LoGiCalDrm said:

I've often compared moderation on forums to real world policing/justice system. Now, this might vary between countries, but unless you are part of system some way, you don't know how much what offense will get after court. You have general point of view. Like first minor offense is slap on the wrist, second might get some time in jail. Or heavy offense to start is directly jail time. And so on.

Respectfully I disagree. In many countries like the US or UK in the justice system, you have a fairly good idea of how much what offense can get you even before court. And in those systems you even have the benefit of being able to see publicly available past examples of what unwanted behaviour, for lack of a better word, has resulted in what punishment.

On 2/22/2019 at 9:24 AM, Enderman said:

There is no clear line or set rule.

It's a pretty arbitrary case-by-case basis.

You could be banned after 3 or after 30 warning points.

It completely depends on what you do, how often, what context, what mood the staff is in, what the weather is outside, etc.

Unfortunately yes.