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Build guide recommendations megathread (update!)

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Posted (edited) · Original PosterOP

Credit to: @GoldenLag @TVwazhere @WoodenMarker @Stefan Payne @seon123 @fasauceome @Twilight @valdyrgramr @Jurrunio @AluminiumTech

 

This thread is meant to guide you through your build of choice, on a per part basis. we'll include some samples for reference.

 

To start, we recommend PCPartPicker to make the whole list together, where you can also see prices from selected retailers

 

Step 0: Guidelines

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make sure when you make a topic about this or ask a question here, it meets the guidelines

 

Step 1: CPU

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Tier F not recommended

Tier D daily use, not recommended for gaming

Tier C daily use and casual gaming

Tier B midrange gaming

Tier A high end gaming, light CAD

Tier S high end gaming, heavier CAD

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MwVccMfh2ZhBMonsNFyAdI42B4dGDpROhIN5Bgniziw/edit?usp=drivesdk

 

Step 2: CPU Cooling

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Step 3: Motherboard

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Intel:

Tier D+: Basic pc, up to locked i5

Tier C+: low-end gaming: up to unlocked i5/locked i7

Tier B+: midrange gaming: up to unlocked i7

Tier A+: High-end gaming: up to unlocked i9

Tier S: Heavy overclocking: up to unlocked i9

Tier W: Workstation use: up to unlocked i9

 

AMD: check description

 

Step 4: Memory

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to be added

 

Step 5: Storage (SSD)

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@wpirobotbuilder did an article on storage, with ssd's included. It's older information, but still containts very important parts of the modern market

 

Step 6: Storage (HDD)

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@Blade of Grass did an article explaining the difference between HDD's from companies 

 

Step 7: Video Card

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Tier D+: Only if others don't fit/big sale, known to have bad cooling, be loud and/or have other problems

Tier C+: Value build, can be louder

Tier B+: High end build: best cards value to performance-wise, are great overclockers

Tier A: Best of the line cards, including hardcore overclocking cards like the Lightning, HOF and K|ngp|n

 

Step 8: Case

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Tier 1 - Best airflow, Good/Great Build Quality, Ease Of Use (Cable management, installation, etc). Suitable for any level of hardware

Fractal Design Meshify C, Meshify S2

Phanteks Enthoo Pro M TG

Silverstone RL06

Coolermaster H500, H500p Mesh, H500M

Lian Li PC-O11 Air (beware restrictive dust filter)

 

Tier 2 - Good but not best in class airflow, Good/Great Build Quality, Ease of Use. Suitable for high end CPU's and high end Single Open Air GPU such as an i7/i9/R7 and a Vega64/1080ti/2080ti

Fractal Design Define S/Define R6/Define C

NZXT H700 (i version for NZXT fan hub and RGB lighting)

Corsair 460x/500D/570x

Thermaltake View 71

Phanteks Evolv X

Lian Li PC-O11D

Cooler Master Master Case Pro 5, MC500

 

Tier 3 - Good/Great airflow on a budget. (<$60usd) Might sacrifice some features like build quality, TG, RGB

Fractal Design Focus G

Phanteks P350x, P300

Cougar MX330

Cooler Master Master Box 5, K500, MB500, MB510L, MB511, MB511 RGB, q300l, q500l

Rosewill Spectra C100

Thermaltake Versa J22 Tempered Glass

 

Step 9: Power supply

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Tier A+ are all the PSUs that have overcurrent protection, undervoltage protection and every other protection you'd want, they have multirail on the 700w+ units, and are a great choice to pick with a higher end rig

 

Tier A - These PSUs are good units at a fair value, fall short against the higher tiers, but still perform great for most people.

 

Tier B - These PSUs are mid-range, they're not the greatest PSUs on the market but they're definitely not bad. They're usually good quality, and are good alternatives if prices are too high on a higher tier unit. Some units might have shorter lasting sleeve fans.

 

Tier C - These units fall short on some parts (regulation, fan, protection performance, other problems), but are good enough for basic use and a expectation to not last much longer than warranty goes

 

Tier D - These units fall short with heavy protection problems, have very poor regulation, are outdated or are literally firestarters. we don't recommend to buy them for ANY use

 

 

Step 10: Operating System

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You have 3 choices for operating systems. This includes: MacOS, Linux and Windows. They all have their pro's and con's and why they may or may not be up to the task for you.

 

MacOS:

+ polished, runs commercial software (MS Office/Adobe software), different desktop layout, integrates well with apple devices, software included (Pages, iMovie, etc), great gesture control, long support, fast patching, UNIX based, backed by apple, private

 

- resource heavy, no Proton, Wine is very limited, so gaming or other windows applications run poorly, a lot of addicional software is expensive, different desktop layout, only works officially with apple devices, closed source, hard to install on anything outside Apple

 

Linux:

+ free, many types, works well with Proton and Wine, a lot of them have free software included and have many other free alternatives, open source, Long-term and short term releases, customizable, have systems that look like Windows or MacOS, works on a lot of recent and older hardware, can be less resource heavy than MacOS or windows, great community support

 

- not always backed by a company, learning curve, not always stable, not all commercial software can be ran natively, bad gesture control, some games don't support Linux

 

Windows:

+ runs most commercial software, runs most games natively, widest used, backed by big company

 

- paid, not good with privacy, doesn't come with much software included, closed source, big target, not that stable, resource heavy

 

Step 10.1: Linux

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Distro's:

 

Manjaro: based on Arch

+ rolling release, GUI, 4 official and 7 community UI's (different installers)

- not that stable
Package Manager: pacman

 

Pop! OS: based on Ubuntu

+ GUI, many guides to find

- not that stable, only one UI, can break when removing certain parts

Package Manager: apt

 

Pop! OS LTS: based on Ubuntu

+ very stable, GUI, many guides to find

- gets updated every 6 months, only one UI, can break when removing certain parts, has problems with gaming

Package Manager: apt

 

Ubuntu: based on Debian

+ GUI, many guides to find, 10 UI's, owned by Canonical

- not that stable, some tools aren't updated

Package Manager: apt

 

Ubuntu LTS: based on Debian

+ very stable, GUI, many guides to find, 10 Ui's, owned by Canonical

- gets updated every 6 months, only one UI, some tools aren't updated, has problems with gaming

Package Manager: apt

 

Ubuntu Server: based on Debian

+ very stable, server features, owned by Canonical

- gets updated every 6 months, no GUI (can be added), some tools aren't updated

Package Manager: apt

 

Linux mint: based on Ubuntu LTS

+ GUI, many guides to find, good community forum

- had a major bug, has problems with gaming, gets updated every 6 months

Package Manager: apt

 

Fedora: based on RedHat

+ GUI, very stable

- lacks tools for video playback, has problems with gaming, gets updated every 6 months

Package manager: dnf/rpm

 

Redhat: based on RedHat

+ GUI, very stable, server features, owned by IBM

- paid, has problems with gaming

Package manager: dnf/rpm

 

Solus: based on project Solus

+ good steam integration, UI, stable rolling release

- not as many apps as bigger distro's, only 3 UI's

Package manager: eopkg

 

UI's:

 

Gnome 3:

+ stable, familiar for MacOS users

- heavy on resources

 

Cinnamon:

+ stable, familiar to Windows users

- heavy on resources

 

XFCE:

+ stable, can be customized to look like windows or macos, light on resources

- not as modern looking

 

KDE:

+ stable, familiar to windows users, can be customized to look like macos

- heavy on resources

 

Architect:

+ barebones, fully customisable, stable

- doesn't come with anything except a tui, manjaro only

 

Mate:

+ stable, light on resources, can be customized to look like windows or macos

- not as modern looking

 

Budgie:

+ stable, familiar for MacOS users, can be customised to resemble Windows GUI

- heavy on resources

 

more info on setup, enabling/fixing things in Linux and much more:

 

Step 10.2: Windows

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to be added

 

Step 10.3: MacOS:

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While it's technically possible to run MacOS on these PCs, compatibility is hard to set on the forehand, so we won't touch far on it

 

Step 11: Monitor

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to be added (we need help here)

 

Step 12: Extra fans, thermal compound, fan controllers

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to be added

 

Step 13: Networking

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to be added

 

Step 14: Sound

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@h264 answered a lot of the commonly asked questions about audio here

 

 

Step 15: Peripherals

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to be added

 

Step 16: reference builds

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to be added

 

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by @seoz

 

Edited by LukeSavenije

PSU Tier List 4.0 (UPDATED)//Motherboard VRM list//Graphics card (cooling) tier list//Build Guide Megathread//Motherboard Tier List//Linux Guide//Community standards

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Consoles:

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PS4 slim glacier white 500 gb, PS4 FTP Special Edition 500 gb, Xbox, 3 DS lites, DSI XL, Gameboy Advanced Color, PS Vita v2, Wii, PS3 500 gb

 

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I'm really happy with how the UK builds turned out. Thanks @AluminiumTech, @LukeSavenije and @GoldenLag for your help with them ;) 


 

 

 

 

My PC:

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CPU: i5 4460

Motherboard: Gigabyte B85M-HD3

RAM: 8GB AMD DDR3 1600MHz

GPU: Nvidia GeForce GTX 960 2GB

Case: In Win Mana 136

Storage: Crucial MX500 250GB + WD Blue 1TB

PSU: Corsair CX450M

Monitor: Blaupunkt 32" TV + Samsung S24D590L 

Cooling: Knockoff of an Intel stock cooler

Keyboard: Steelseries Apex M500 (Cherry MX Red, UK layout)

Mouse: Corsair Scimitar Pro RGB

My phone:

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Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (N960F)

CPU: Samsung Exynos 9810

RAM: 6GB

GPU: Mali-G72 MP18

Storage: 128GB internal storage + 128GB Samsung microSD card

My laptop:

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Acer Nitro 5

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2500U

RAM: 8GB DDR4

GPU: AMD Radeon RX 560X

Storage: 1TB HDD

 

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Posted · Original PosterOP
3 minutes ago, 1kv said:

I'm really happy with how the UK builds turned out. Thanks @AluminiumTech, @LukeSavenije and @GoldenLag for your help with them ;) 

I'm happy how all the builds turned out. and how everyone helped for this 

 

that's why credits excists


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Primary PC:

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CPU: I5-8600k  @5 ghz  GPU: GTX 1070 ti EVGA SC Gaming   RAM: 8+8 3500 mhz DDR4 Trident Z   MOBO: MSI Gaming Pro Carbon AC   HDD: 1 TB 7200 RPM Seagate Baracudda, 1 TB 5400 RPM Samsung Spinpoint HD103SI   SSD: Samsung 860 EVO 500 GB   Soundcard: built in   Case: Cooler Master Masterbox Lite 5 RGB (modified)  PSU: Seasonic Focus GX650

 

Consoles:

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PS4 slim glacier white 500 gb, PS4 FTP Special Edition 500 gb, Xbox, 3 DS lites, DSI XL, Gameboy Advanced Color, PS Vita v2, Wii, PS3 500 gb

 

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Also I forgot to mention that the example builds with an Arctic Freezer 34 DUO do have coolers (even though pcpartpicker says they don't), so don't worry about that.

The problem is that the 34 DUO isn't listed on pcpartpicker as of now (16th February 2019).


 

 

 

 

My PC:

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CPU: i5 4460

Motherboard: Gigabyte B85M-HD3

RAM: 8GB AMD DDR3 1600MHz

GPU: Nvidia GeForce GTX 960 2GB

Case: In Win Mana 136

Storage: Crucial MX500 250GB + WD Blue 1TB

PSU: Corsair CX450M

Monitor: Blaupunkt 32" TV + Samsung S24D590L 

Cooling: Knockoff of an Intel stock cooler

Keyboard: Steelseries Apex M500 (Cherry MX Red, UK layout)

Mouse: Corsair Scimitar Pro RGB

My phone:

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Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (N960F)

CPU: Samsung Exynos 9810

RAM: 6GB

GPU: Mali-G72 MP18

Storage: 128GB internal storage + 128GB Samsung microSD card

My laptop:

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Acer Nitro 5

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2500U

RAM: 8GB DDR4

GPU: AMD Radeon RX 560X

Storage: 1TB HDD

 

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Great job by everyone who helped out. Looks like you put a lot of work into this. Pinned. :) 


My Systems:

Gaming:

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RUSTIC PC: FX-8350 @4.6GHz // Deepcool Gammaxx 400 // MSI 970 Gaming // AData 2x 4GB DDR3 @1600MHz // Gigabyte RX 570 Gaming 4G // Samsung 840 120GB SSD + 2x 1TB Seagate 7200 HDDs // Cooler Master V650 PSU // Vintage wooden crate enclosure // Windows 10 // Thrustmaster TMX + G27 pedals & shifter // Build Log

HTPC:

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SNES PC (HTPC): i3-4150 @3.5 // Gigabyte GA-H87N-Wifi // G.Skill 2x 4GB DDR3 1600 // Asus Dual GTX 1050Ti 4GB OC // AData SP600 128GB SSD // Pico 160XT PSU // Custom SNES Enclosure // 55" LG LED 1080p TV  // Logitech wireless touchpad-keyboard // Linux Mint 19.2 Cinnamon // Build Log

Laptops:

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MY DAILY: Lenovo ThinkPad T410 // 14" 1440x900 // i5-540M 2.5GHz Dual-Core HT // Intel HD iGPU + Quadro NVS 3100M 512MB dGPU // 2x4GB DDR3L 1066 // Mushkin Triactor 480GB SSD // Linux Mint 19.3(beta) Cinnamon

 

WIFE'S: Dell Latitude E5450 // 14" 1366x768 // i5-5300U 2.3GHz Dual-Core HT // Intel HD5500 // 2x4GB RAM DDR3L 1600 // 500GB 7200 HDD // Linux Mint 19.2 Cinnamon

 

EXPERIMENTAL: Pinebook // 11.6" 1080p // Manjaro KDE (ARM)

NAS:

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Home NAS: Pentium G4400 @3.3 // Gigabyte GA-Z170-HD3 // Corsair 1x 4GB DDR4 2400 // Intel HD Graphics // Kingston A400 120GB SSD // 3x Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200 HDDs in RAID-Z // Cooler Master Silent Pro M 1000w PSU // Antec Performance Plus 1080AMG // FreeNAS OS

 

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While I agree that this will be useful overall, I see some flaws in the cooling section. Here are a few ones that come to mind:

  • Kraken X62 being T1 and HE-01 T3 while it is beaten by the NH-U14S, listed as a T4. (GN Comparison) (AnandTech)
  •  HE-01 being T2 while being beaten by NH-U12S being T5. (AnandTech)
  • BeQuiet DRP4 being T3 while equaling Noctua D15 T2
  • Respire T40 being T6 while it is beaten by Hyper 212 Evo T7 (TechPowerUp)

I'm sure there could be others; however, the differences between some of these coolers are negligible - often less than a couple degrees under synthetic test.

 

In addition:

  • this list doesn't seem to be noise-normalized, so it's only useful for those that don't care about how loud it is. (Many AIOs could place lower due to this)
  • Also lacks mention of costs (though this makes sense due to variations between regions).
  • The special titles for the tiers have little purpose - as they'll confuse the audience that is most likely to view this list.

Perhaps segmenting up the list depending on type (AIOs, towers, LP etc.) and listing prices may help. In quite a few cases, there's no definitive answer of saying which is better; for the applications vary.

 

Edit: Regarding the case list - while some cases obviously have advantages over others, a lot of it can be subjective. I think it's good you included the list; however, it seems a bit incomplete. I guess to make it less subjective, it'd be nice if some google sheet comparing features (ex. dimension limits of GPUs, CPU cooler height, HDD/SSD slots, etc) was included.


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Posted · Original PosterOP
4 minutes ago, MEC-777 said:

Great job by everyone who helped out. Looks like you put a lot of work into this. Pinned. :) 

better hope this isn't a mlp again😂

 

4 minutes ago, Imbellis said:
  • Kraken X62 being T1 and HE-01 T3 while it is beaten by the NH-U14S, listed as a T4. (GN Comparison) (AnandTech)
  •  HE-01 being T2 while being beaten by NH-U12S being T5. (AnandTech)
  • BeQuiet DRP4 being T3 while equaling Noctua D15 T2
  • Respire T40 being T6 while it is beaten by Hyper 212 evo T7 (TechPowerUp)

about coolers: this is a carbon copy of the cooler list made by woodenmarker. the tiers are not levels from worst to best, but categories of coolers.


PSU Tier List 4.0 (UPDATED)//Motherboard VRM list//Graphics card (cooling) tier list//Build Guide Megathread//Motherboard Tier List//Linux Guide//Community standards

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Primary PC:

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CPU: I5-8600k  @5 ghz  GPU: GTX 1070 ti EVGA SC Gaming   RAM: 8+8 3500 mhz DDR4 Trident Z   MOBO: MSI Gaming Pro Carbon AC   HDD: 1 TB 7200 RPM Seagate Baracudda, 1 TB 5400 RPM Samsung Spinpoint HD103SI   SSD: Samsung 860 EVO 500 GB   Soundcard: built in   Case: Cooler Master Masterbox Lite 5 RGB (modified)  PSU: Seasonic Focus GX650

 

Consoles:

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PS4 slim glacier white 500 gb, PS4 FTP Special Edition 500 gb, Xbox, 3 DS lites, DSI XL, Gameboy Advanced Color, PS Vita v2, Wii, PS3 500 gb

 

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3 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

About coolers: this is a carbon copy of the cooler list made by woodenmarker. the tiers are not levels from worst to best, but categories of coolers. 

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Then that's even more confusing; for then there are tons of AIS in the "King of Whoosh" section (around half of them) and quite a few 240/120 AIOs in the "Dual tower" section.

 

That's what makes me think they were put into ordered tiers.


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12 minutes ago, Imbellis said:

Then that's even more confusing; for then there are tons of AIS in the "King of Whoosh" section (around half of them) and quite a few 240/120 AIOs in the "Dual tower" section.

 

That's what makes me think they were put into ordered tiers.

Yeah I understand where you're coming from, I was a little confused the first time too. Maybe @LukeSavenije can make an edit and/or disclaimer about that to avoid further confusion.


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Just now, Imbellis said:

Then that's even more confusing; for then there are tons of AIS in the "King of Whoosh" section (around half of them) and quite a few 240/120 AIOs in the "Dual tower" section.

it's good that you criticize that... but once again it's a separate that's not mine carbon copied

 

it's better if you leave it there


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Primary PC:

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CPU: I5-8600k  @5 ghz  GPU: GTX 1070 ti EVGA SC Gaming   RAM: 8+8 3500 mhz DDR4 Trident Z   MOBO: MSI Gaming Pro Carbon AC   HDD: 1 TB 7200 RPM Seagate Baracudda, 1 TB 5400 RPM Samsung Spinpoint HD103SI   SSD: Samsung 860 EVO 500 GB   Soundcard: built in   Case: Cooler Master Masterbox Lite 5 RGB (modified)  PSU: Seasonic Focus GX650

 

Consoles:

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PS4 slim glacier white 500 gb, PS4 FTP Special Edition 500 gb, Xbox, 3 DS lites, DSI XL, Gameboy Advanced Color, PS Vita v2, Wii, PS3 500 gb

 

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Oh boy, this one is going to require a lot of work, to update all the lists all the time. 

The use case is also quite important for a recommendation. 


 

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I think the hoomans put their builds here?

Why do you hoomans give your builds a name? Here's my build, which I shall call "Do as I Say, Not As I Do" (seriously, don't get this build)

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Ryzen 1500X @3,925 GHz

Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo + 2x ML120

MSI B350 Tomahawk Arctic

2x8GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000 MHz CL15 (Micron B-die) @2933 MHz

Sapphire Radeon R9 280 Dual-X @1120 MHz / 1450 MHz

120GB 850 Evo

120GB Kingston SSD

500GB WD Blue

Cooler Master Elite 430

Seasonic Prime Titanium 650W

Logitech G710 with Kailh Box Jade

Logitech G502

HyperX Cloud

And my laptop, which I shall call "If It's Stupid But It Works" (It can actually play CS:GO at 50 FPS, and Civ V at 25 FPS)

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Lenovo Thinkpad L460

Intel Core i3 6100U

4GB (probably) DDR4 2133 MHz

Intel HD Graphics 520 0.3-1.0 GHz

128GB Samsung MZ7LF128HCHP

Corsair M65 Pro RGB (worst mouse I've ever had)

Sennheiser CX 5.00G

And here would be where I would put a picture of my cat. But apparently, images are not allowed here. So take this instead (*ΦωΦ*)

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36 minutes ago, Imbellis said:

Edit: Regarding the case list - while some cases obviously have advantages over others, a lot of it can be subjective. I think it's good you included the list; however, it seems a bit incomplete. I guess to make it less subjective, it'd be nice if some google sheet comparing features (ex. dimension limits of GPUs, CPU cooler height, HDD/SSD slots, etc) was included.

It is VERY preliminary and could use a lot of additions. Current working on a full "How to buy a Case" guide which includes general Tier list, though I've been taking a it longer than I imagined :D 


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25 minutes ago, TVwazhere said:

It is VERY preliminary and could use a lot of additions. Current working on a full "How to buy a Case" guide which includes general Tier list, though I've been taking a it longer than I imagined :D 

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Yeah - I'd have no clue where to start - there are so many cases and so much data on them. It's insane.


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50 minutes ago, seon123 said:

Oh boy, this one is going to require a lot of work, to update all the lists all the time. 

The use case is also quite important for a recommendation. 

yep... we're thinking on monthly basis, but we chose to do a couple part lists to make sure people can select different parts. the mobo list is ours, the psu list is a modified version of the 3.0 with a tier addition, the coolers from the pinned thread in the air cooling section, and we'll add more in the future


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Oh, when I look at the PSU List, I think I should make one myself. I don't like that one much...

Especially since it doesn't account for the price/segment of the unit.

A 50€ max Unit can't be as good as a 150€ unit because of the limit of the Budget...

 

Anyway: the Enermax Revolution SFX is the same as my Chieftec SFX thingy, just with Japanese caps instead of the "Default CWT Wonderbag" in the Chieftec. The Fan Controller is something I'm at a loss of words for. Only a Chinese would do that...

Fan starts stops every (other) second. And makes a noise as well. *ARGH*....

 

And the Form Factor should be Seperate anyway, as SFX can't be as good as ATX due to size restrictions.

And there are no really good TFX PSU...

 


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Something I don't like about these lists is that there's just so many items that have to be ranked that there's no clear-cut definition of what item goes in this tier, what item goes in that tier, etc. (for example this item performs very well compared to another item, but that item performs well compared to a 3rd item in a review which performs well compared to the original unit) it just turns into a spiderweb. Imo the only purpose the lists serve is to see the rank of an obscure item, otherwise heavily simplified lists that avoid this huge spiderweb of tiers should be used instead.

 

This is especially true with coolers as there's a lot of factors that come into play when reviewing coolers (thermal paste application, ambient air temperature although this should be constant in a regulated room, uncertainty principle, sensor inaccuracy, acoustics meter because the slightest inaudible ripple in pressure near the meter could heavily affect the reading, installation, etc). Not considering margin of error like what was done in the list (why are there 9 tiers????) will only lead to confusion.

 

And I'm not even sure what defines a cooler being in "tier 3" or "tier 4" because the vague titles ("High-end 140mms"??? "Dual Towers"???) don't give anything away. If I pick a cooler from tier 5 and compare it with a cooler from tier 3, what performance / acoustics / temperature gain should I expect to realize on say, a 9600k overclocked to 5.2ghz with 1.4V? None of these questions can be answered satisfactorily with that tier list. 

 

Also with the PSU tier list, you have the Seasonic Focus/Focus+ which is on the same level as the Bitfenix Whisper M despite lacking 12V OCP and being loud, not to mention worse build quality. There is a big difference between Tier S and Tier A, somewhat small difference between Tier A and Tier B (hell, the EVGA G3 is technically better than the Focus/Focus+ despite its protections being set too high), a medium-big difference between Tier B and Tier C (if we're comparing stuff like the EVGA GQ with the Corsair CX 2017/CXM), and a HUGE difference between Tier C and Tier D (if we're comparing stuff like the CX/CXM black label with crap like the Seasonic S12II/M12II/Evo and Corsair CX/CXM green label). How would people know this just by looking at the tier list?

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2 hours ago, hello_there_123 said:

This is especially true with coolers as there's a lot of factors that come into play when reviewing coolers (thermal paste application, ambient air temperature although this should be constant in a regulated room, uncertainty principle, sensor inaccuracy, acoustics meter because the slightest inaudible ripple in pressure near the meter could heavily affect the reading, installation, etc). Not considering margin of error like what was done in the list (why are there 9 tiers????) will only lead to confusion.

that cooler list needs some clarification, but it's source already was like this (pinned thread in the air cooling category), so we'll need some time for that. but for now, leave that in that thread

2 hours ago, hello_there_123 said:

Also with the PSU tier list, you have the Seasonic Focus/Focus+ which is on the same level as the Bitfenix Whisper M despite lacking 12V OCP and being loud, not to mention worse build quality. There is a big difference between Tier S and Tier A, somewhat small difference between Tier A and Tier B (hell, the EVGA G3 is technically better than the Focus/Focus+ despite its protections being set too high), a medium-big difference between Tier B and Tier C (if we're comparing stuff like the EVGA GQ with the Corsair CX 2017/CXM), and a HUGE difference between Tier C and Tier D (if we're comparing stuff like the CX/CXM black label with crap like the Seasonic S12II/M12II/Evo and Corsair CX/CXM green label). How would people know this just by looking at the tier list?

tier s is the best of the best, tier a are the really good ones, tier b are runner ups and tier c are good PSUs. the tier d and e aren't meant for gaming, maybe a office pc and everything below that is crap in general. that should be clear. the source (psu tier list 3.0) also takes no noise, value or anything in account, pure build quality and that's a list that's wildly discussed, so if you want to, do it there.


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I don't even need a new build but thank you for making this thread. 

 

 

Also my motherboard is the worst in the tier list. Oof


 

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8 minutes ago, Shreyas1 said:

I don't even need a new build but thank you for making this thread. 

 

 

Also my motherboard is the worst in the tier list. Oof

you're welcome

 

they are all highly recommended motherboards, it's just ranked from worst to best


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On 2/16/2019 at 2:37 PM, LukeSavenije said:

parts have been picked according to pricing and focus sets of the target build

Some changes need to be made to this thread. The part lists that you made have no clear use (e.g. gaming, video editing, streaming, CAD, etc). This thread can be a lot more useful if you do as I say...

 

IMO, there should be different part list examples (at the various price points) for different uses. For example, there needs to be a list of example part lists for someone who's just video editing (at the various price points), same for CAD, same for gaming, etc. This would make the thread a lot more useful, and even though it might be hard to maintain, I'm willing to help update the part lists when necessary.

 

Thanks!


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Just now, Geography said:

Some changes need to be made to this thread. The part lists that you made have no clear use (e.g. gaming, video editing, streaming, CAD, etc). This thread can be a lot more useful if you do as I say...

 

IMO, there should be different part list examples (at the various price points) for different uses. For example, there needs to be a list of example part lists for someone who's just video editing (at the various price points), same for CAD, same for gaming, etc. This would make the thread a lot more useful, and even though it might be hard to maintain, I'm willing to help update the part lists when necessary.

 

Thanks!

we're currently focussing on gaming oriented build, and other uses if noted differently

 

we're looking for more builds in the future, but that's not done yet

 

thanks for the suggestion!


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Seriously awesome thread guys :)

 

I am going to pull the trigger on a system based on the £600 build (UK).

 

I already have a SSD/HDD, cpu cooler and an Asus GTX970OC Strix Gfx Card so intend to just directly swap in those parts with their counterparts.

 

Aside from thermal paste, are there any other extras I may need (for instance cables or extra case fans) that do not come included?

 

 

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1 hour ago, Deaderpool said:

Aside from thermal paste, are there any other extras I may need (for instance cables or extra case fans) that do not come included?

thermal paste does come included with the (pretty good) stock cooler of the 1600

 

all the cables needed come in the box too

 

the h15 does have only one fan, so you could look into getting another fan or 2 with it, or alternatively choose for something like the fractal design focus G


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Thanks alot thats good to know :)

 

And yeah I am going with the focus g case as well I think as it seems to be highly rated and closer to the kind of look that I prefer (pending different colour fans and RGB lol)

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