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Apple Kills Google's Enterprise Development Certification

DrMacintosh
6 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Multiple $5 giftcards. I've gotten over $125 from Bing rewards. Wooo is damn right. 

You sold all your personal and identifying information for $125 to any data company in the world....

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Just now, BuckGup said:

You sold all your personal and identifying information for $125 to any data company in the world....

I feel like you're trying to make me regret using Bing rewards....yeah, not gonna happen. 

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i am still trying to process that Apple is getting rid of their Genus Bars and replacing them with Genius Groves. So Millennials can hang out.

If you listen really carefully... you can hear Steve Jobs face palming in his grave.

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8 hours ago, jagdtigger said:

PR move, as soon as sales of iphones dropped like a brick dummy they realized FB and Google is playing naughty.....

regardless if it's a PR move or not it is a good thing. 

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I can't help but feel like Apple is about to get rekt. And by rekt, I mean something bigger than the FaceTime bug.

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44 minutes ago, straight_stewie said:

I can't help but feel like Apple is about to get rekt. And by rekt, I mean something bigger than the FaceTime bug.

The FaceTime bug is really stupid, but I can understand the outrage by Apple given that Facebook and Google abused internal testing system to deliver apps to end users, bypassing verification procedure. Because if it went through verification, it most probably wouldn't be certified.

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15 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

The FaceTime bug is really stupid, but I can understand the outrage by Apple given that Facebook and Google abused internal testing system to deliver apps to end users, bypassing verification procedure. Because if it went through verification, it most probably wouldn't be certified.

And the underlying question still remains, should they have the power to decide who gets to write/release an app? should Microsoft be allowed to dictate who can and can't write software for windows?  maybe Linus Torvalds should be allowed to decide if a certain app shoudln't be written for linux?  Or the worst scenario, what if google got to decide who can and can't release apps for android?

 

 

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7 minutes ago, mr moose said:

should Microsoft be allowed to dictate who can and can't write software for windows?

they already do that with Windows 10 S. if it's not on the Windows Store you can't install it. 

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7 hours ago, sazrocks said:

What do FB and Google VPN apps have to do with iphone sales?

If you cant even manage a basic logical thinking its not even worth to explain...

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4 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

Multiple $5 giftcards. I've gotten over $125 from Bing rewards. Wooo is damn right. 

$125? over what period of time? 

 

that's a decent amount of money regardless though. 

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58 minutes ago, mr moose said:

And the underlying question still remains, should they have the power to decide who gets to write/release an app? should Microsoft be allowed to dictate who can and can't write software for windows?  maybe Linus Torvalds should be allowed to decide if a certain app shoudln't be written for linux?  Or the worst scenario, what if google got to decide who can and can't release apps for android?

 

 

The issue here is that Enterprise certificate can be only used within the company, because it gives the app root access (AFAIK). So a company using an Enterprise certificate for a public app is inherently wrong. They can still release their software on the platform freely, but they'll have to keep these kind of apps internally if they want the certificate again. 

I see no problem with this at all. It's not like Apple removed their public apps from their app store

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32 minutes ago, mr moose said:

And the underlying question still remains, should they have the power to decide who gets to write/release an app? should Microsoft be allowed to dictate who can and can't write software for windows?  maybe Linus Torvalds should be allowed to decide if a certain app shoudln't be written for linux?  Or the worst scenario, what if google got to decide who can and can't release apps for android?

 

 

That's not the question here, both Google and Facebook were abusing internally provided development and access environment to deliver content to end users, which is a violation of how app store works. And yes, in this case, Apple is able to dictate how something gets released.

 

I've had a lot of issues how app stores dealt with censorship of Gab social network blaming it to be racist and whatnot solely based on their refusal to just generally censor people for what they say. Here, it's a different thing. They were abusing the provided system for unintended purposes.

 

No one says you can't write an app for iOS. You just can't release it on Apple App Store ( I don't know if iOS allows manual installation of apps from 3rd party sources). Same was with Gab on Android. Google banned them. But that didn't stop them from writing and releasing it on their site. You need to install it manually, but it works. Same way Microsoft doesn't dictate what you can write for Windows. They might not release it on Microsoft Store, but you can release it on your webpage or whatever and it'll still work.

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4 hours ago, RejZoR said:

( I don't know if iOS allows manual installation of apps from 3rd party sources).

Only if jailbroken.

 

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5 hours ago, mr moose said:

And the underlying question still remains, should they have the power to decide who gets to write/release an app? should Microsoft be allowed to dictate who can and can't write software for windows?  maybe Linus Torvalds should be allowed to decide if a certain app shoudln't be written for linux?  Or the worst scenario, what if google got to decide who can and can't release apps for android?

 

 

That's precisely what I pay Apple to do - gatekeep their platform at a time when the alternative (Android) won't. 

 

I think Walt Mossberg said it best. 

 

 

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6 hours ago, RejZoR said:

That's not the question here, both Google and Facebook were abusing internally provided development and access environment to deliver content to end users, which is a violation of how app store works. And yes, in this case, Apple is able to dictate how something gets released.

 

I've had a lot of issues how app stores dealt with censorship of Gab social network blaming it to be racist and whatnot solely based on their refusal to just generally censor people for what they say. Here, it's a different thing. They were abusing the provided system for unintended purposes.

 

No one says you can't write an app for iOS. You just can't release it on Apple App Store ( I don't know if iOS allows manual installation of apps from 3rd party sources). Same was with Gab on Android. Google banned them. But that didn't stop them from writing and releasing it on their site. You need to install it manually, but it works. Same way Microsoft doesn't dictate what you can write for Windows. They might not release it on Microsoft Store, but you can release it on your webpage or whatever and it'll still work.

If you don't release it on the Apple App Store, you can't install it (which is I believe the point that moose was trying to make).

 

The only real way to avoid the App Store is through using an exploit, or essentially what Facebook and Google did.  To be honest, it was informed consent and while it was against the TOS, Apple I think also has restricted the iPhone too much

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1 hour ago, abazigal said:

That's precisely what I pay Apple to do - gatekeep their platform at a time when the alternative (Android) won't. 

 

I think Walt Mossberg said it best. 

 

 

Removing malware or something that violates their ToS I can agree with (which is all that's happening so far).

 

Removing an app because it harvests data (with the users' explicit consent) I don't agree with. Although the latter hasn't come up as far as I know, so it's a moot point. 

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14 hours ago, firelighter487 said:

they already do that with Windows 10 S. if it's not on the Windows Store you can't install it. 

You know full well I am referring to windows 7, 8 10 and all the full versions in the future.

13 hours ago, RejZoR said:

That's not the question here, both Google and Facebook were abusing internally provided development and access environment to deliver content to end users, which is a violation of how app store works. And yes, in this case, Apple is able to dictate how something gets released.

 

I've had a lot of issues how app stores dealt with censorship of Gab social network blaming it to be racist and whatnot solely based on their refusal to just generally censor people for what they say. Here, it's a different thing. They were abusing the provided system for unintended purposes.

 

No one says you can't write an app for iOS. You just can't release it on Apple App Store ( I don't know if iOS allows manual installation of apps from 3rd party sources). Same was with Gab on Android. Google banned them. But that didn't stop them from writing and releasing it on their site. You need to install it manually, but it works. Same way Microsoft doesn't dictate what you can write for Windows. They might not release it on Microsoft Store, but you can release it on your webpage or whatever and it'll still work.

It is the question here,  You can try and split hairs about enterprise versions all you like, but the end result is apple dictating what software runs on a device they don't own.

8 hours ago, abazigal said:

That's precisely what I pay Apple to do - gatekeep their platform at a time when the alternative (Android) won't. 

 

I think Walt Mossberg said it best. 

 

 

 

So you are saying because you like it and want it that way that is justification for them dictating who can and can't design their own apps?

 

Again If MS do this (under the guise of security) would you be just as supportive?

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Seems like a pretty clear cut case to me. Facebook and Google broke the Apple Developer TOS and got their enterprise profile revoked.

 

Just to clear things up, if you are an apple developer you have access to a few profiles to use for development. For engineers, you have to whitelist your test device's UDID to the development profile to build directly onto the device. Obviously, for internal testing, this doesn't quite work if you have a large company because you'd have to add every device individually. To mitigate this, the enterprise profile is used (and is what Facebook and Google are using to sideload), which allows your app to install on any device with the profile, with the only restriction being it only being used for internal testing. The last type of profile is the distribution profile, which cannot be installed on any device, but is used for submission for app review. (There's a fourth ad-hoc profile that also requires a whitelist of UDIDs, but is used for final testing for QA, as it's considered to be as close to production as is possible without being a production build.)

 

These apps were never meant to be distributed outside of the company, and doing so is a breach of TOS. It doesn't matter what the app actually is, the distribution method that Facebook and Google used is not allowed. Facebook could have released a completely harmless app this way, and if Apple found out, they'd do the same thing (of course, a harmless app is less likely to draw attention to itself).

 

Note: I don't work for Apple. I'm just an iOS developer.

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18 hours ago, mr moose said:

but the end result is apple dictating what software runs on a device they don't own.

Correction

 

Apple is dictating what software can be published on the App Store. An online marketplace which they entirely own. 

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On 1/31/2019 at 11:52 PM, Curufinwe_wins said:

Interesting. Have to wonder how many tens of companies are using similar practices, and if they will also be getting the ax, or if it is PR for PRs sake. Particularly as data harvesting was both paid and properly disclosed in both cases.

As I said before, this is no different from what Siri does. In fact, Siri doesn't even pay you. I guess disclosure and the ability to turn it off are only good enough as excuses when Apple uses them.

On 2/1/2019 at 4:55 AM, mr moose said:

I can't help but wonder where all this may lead. 

Remember Apple Maps? On that note, Google Maps is still on the app store, so... I guess they don't actually give a damn what their customers install, they just want to take a jab at Google and hurt their internal apps.

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Not sure what else they want Google to say, or why doing this with an Enterprise certificate is worse than with a regular developer certificate.

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7 minutes ago, Sauron said:

As I said before, this is no different from what Siri does. In fact, Siri doesn't even pay you. I guess disclosure and the ability to turn it off are only good enough as excuses when Apple uses them.

Remember Apple Maps? On that note, Google Maps is still on the app store, so... I guess they don't actually give a damn what their customers install, they just want to take a jab at Google and hurt their internal apps.

Not sure what else they want Google to say, or why doing this with an Enterprise certificate is worse than with a regular developer certificate.

Basically the enterprise cert is only allowable for internal use. According to terms and services. Why? I assume its because the normal cert requires the app to be registered (and for PR optics obviously google and FB don't really want to register with the app store small scale tests like this).

 

In any event, yes I agree it's probably mainly a wrist slap PR thing. Privacy doesnt have anything to do with this one. Also Apple Maps is trash.

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5 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

Also Apple Maps is trash.

I’ve never had a problem with it. It’s got a way better interface than Google Maps imo as well. And the maps look better too. Especially the recent enhancements 

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37 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Correction

 

Apple is dictating what software can be published on the App Store. An online marketplace which they entirely own. 

But when the only place you can install apps to iOS (without jailbreaking) is the App Store where Apple dictates what apps get in. It's 100% the same as Windows 10S and in the end Apple dictates what software someone can use on a device Apple doesn't own.

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18 minutes ago, Thaldor said:

But when the only place you can install apps to iOS (without jailbreaking) is the App Store where Apple dictates what apps get in. It's 100% the same as Windows 10S and in the end Apple dictates what software someone can use on a device Apple doesn't own.

Exactly, everyone criticized Windows 10S for dictating what apps you can install that Microsoft doesn't own, yet most are supportive of apple doing the same under the excuse of security.

On 2/1/2019 at 7:41 AM, abazigal said:

That's precisely what I pay Apple to do - gatekeep their platform at a time when the alternative (Android) won't. 

 

I think Walt Mossberg said it best.

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Not that Android won't, I think its more of they are allowing the choice of what apps can get installed.

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