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Never skimp on an SSD! PSA

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Now that the new LTT video has shown that even with a $150 budget you should still get a cheap SSD, hopefully we will see a lot less parts lists with just an HDD as a "cost saving" measure. It will hurt you in the long run, and buying Mass storage hard drives later as opposed to just sticking with one as a boot drive is such a massive quality of life improvement. 

As someone who went from hard drive to SSD and will never go back, I can only recommend getting an SSD as bare minimum in any PC whatsoever, and any less is pointless. 

I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

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A HDD isn't as bad as you're saying... so what if Chrome takes an extra 1.5 seconds to open up compared to a SSD? That's not a big deal for most people. 

 

And lots of people (like me) don't power off their computers every night, so boot times don't matter either to them.

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I do the opposite thing: Get SSD, worry about HDD later (or when I ran out of space)

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Just now, r2724r16 said:

A HDD isn't as bad as you're saying... so what if Chrome takes an extra 1.5 seconds to open up compared to a SSD? That's not a big deal for most people. 

 

And lots of people (like me) don't power off their computers every night, so boot times don't matter either for them.

It's not just opening programs. Linus said it himself, everything is snappier. Windows is more responsive, everything loads quicker, etc. It's a literal night and day difference that's also extremely affordable these days.

I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

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i7 8086k - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Skill Trident Z RGB - WD SN750 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G3 650W - dual booting Windows 10 and Linux - Black and green theme, Razer brainwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

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Just now, fasauceome said:

It's not just opening programs. Linus said it himself, everything is snappier. Windows is more responsive, everything loads quicker, etc. It's a literal night and day difference that's also extremely affordable these days.

You said 'it's not just opening programs" and then you said "everything loads quicker". That's counterintuitive IMO.

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7 minutes ago, r2724r16 said:

A HDD isn't as bad as you're saying... so what if Chrome takes an extra 1.5 seconds to open up compared to a SSD? That's not a big deal for most people. 

 

And lots of people (like me) don't power off their computers every night, so boot times don't matter either to them.

An extra 1.5 seconds? What turbocharged HDD are you using?

On my 7200rpm HDD it took 15 seconds for chrome to open, but on my 860 EVO it takes .5 sec. Literally Night and Day

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3 minutes ago, r2724r16 said:

You said 'it's not just opening programs" and then you said "everything loads quicker". That's counterintuitive IMO.

As in action within the programs, not just the launch times. Imagine something like file explorer within windows. Access is faster in every way.

I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

Primary PC:

i7 8086k - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Skill Trident Z RGB - WD SN750 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G3 650W - dual booting Windows 10 and Linux - Black and green theme, Razer brainwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

How many watts do I needATX 3.0 & PCIe 5.0 spec, PSU misconceptions, protections explainedgroup reg is bad

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3 minutes ago, r2724r16 said:

A HDD isn't as bad as you're saying... so what if Chrome takes an extra 1.5 seconds to open up compared to a SSD? That's not a big deal for most people. 

 

And lots of people (like me) don't power off their computers every night, so boot times don't matter either to them.

Have you ever used an SSD boot drive in a computer? I've never seen anyone say using SSDs didn't make a difference that was like night and day.

 

I also never shut my computer down overnight but I still had to reboot a time or two a week.

Jeannie

 

As long as anyone is oppressed, no one will be safe and free.

One has to be proactive, not reactive, to ensure the safety of one's data so backup your data! And RAID is NOT a backup!

 

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6 minutes ago, r2724r16 said:

You said 'it's not just opening programs" and then you said "everything loads quicker". That's counterintuitive IMO.

No it's not. You are comparing apples to kumquats. SSDs improve the speed of booting and loading programs. If using SSDs for data storage, moving data to and from them is also faster.

Jeannie

 

As long as anyone is oppressed, no one will be safe and free.

One has to be proactive, not reactive, to ensure the safety of one's data so backup your data! And RAID is NOT a backup!

 

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7 minutes ago, Eastman51 said:

An extra 1.5 seconds? What turbocharged HDD are you using?

On my 7200rpm HDD it took 15 seconds for chrome to open, but on my 860 EVO it takes .5 sec. Literally Night and Day

If you need your PC for real work, you'll need an SSD. But if you're just using your PC for Chrome, 15 seconds to open up shouldn't be a problem.

7 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

As in action within the programs, not just the launch times. Imagine something like file explorer within windows. Access is faster in every way.

Most people store pictures, games, and big files on their HDD anyways, not on their SSD (but not everyone so you're partially right)

5 minutes ago, Lady Fitzgerald said:

Have you ever used an SSD boot drive in a computer? I've never seen anyone say using SSDs didn't make a difference that was like night and day.

 

I also never shut my computer down overnight but I still had to reboot a time or two a week.

Yes, I've used an SSD boot drive before. SSDs didn't make much of a difference to me because I never close my apps and I never shut down my PC. 

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1 minute ago, r2724r16 said:

Yes, I've used an SSD boot drive before. SSDs didn't make much of a difference to me because I never close my apps and I never shut down my PC. 

You are literally saying that no one should get an SSD because of your use habits?? LMAO

 

I remember when I first got my SSD I set Windows to install and left the room. I came back a minute later and it was back to the install screen, I thought it crashed so I started the install again. And then I realized how fast it was.

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1 minute ago, Canada EH said:

yes, a whole second or two is like the time difference between one bite of a big mac or a sip of a xl cup of coca cola.

 

No big deal.

Those moments are crucial to our everyday lives. Its good to know that someone is keeping an eye out for us all

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7 minutes ago, r2724r16 said:

If you need your PC for real work, you'll need an SSD. But if you're just using your PC for Chrome, 15 seconds to open up shouldn't be a problem.

Most people store pictures, games, and big files on their HDD anyways, not on their SSD (but not everyone so you're partially right)

Yes, I've used an SSD boot drive before. SSDs didn't make much of a difference to me because I never close my apps and I never shut down my PC. 

You are a very rare exception to the rule.

Jeannie

 

As long as anyone is oppressed, no one will be safe and free.

One has to be proactive, not reactive, to ensure the safety of one's data so backup your data! And RAID is NOT a backup!

 

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2 minutes ago, Canada EH said:

yes, a whole second or two is like the time difference between one bite of a big mac or a sip of a xl cup of coca cola.

 

No big deal.

Well it makes sense given the fact that an SSD is considered a revitalization of an old PC due solely to the popularity to big Macs.

I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

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Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

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4 minutes ago, Eastman51 said:

You are literally saying that no one should get an SSD because of your use habits?? LMAO

 

I remember when I first got my SSD I set Windows to install and left the room. I came back a minute later and it was back to the install screen, I thought it crashed so I started the install again. And then I realized how fast it was.

I'm not saying SSDs are bad, they're amazing. But people who ONLY use Chrome on a budget don't NEED an SSD.

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3 minutes ago, Eastman51 said:

Its good to know that someone is keeping an eye out for us all

Actually that is not good, not good at all. Uncle Sam needs to leave us alone. Along with Google, MS, Yahoo, Faceplant..... the list goes on and on.

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Just now, Canada EH said:

Actually that is not good, not good at all. Uncle Sam needs to leave us alone.

whoa, not that kind of "keeping an eye out"

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11 minutes ago, r2724r16 said:

If you need your PC for real work, you'll need an SSD. But if you're just using your PC for Chrome, 15 seconds to open up shouldn't be a problem.

Most people store pictures, games, and big files on their HDD anyways, not on their SSD (but not everyone so you're partially right)

Yes, I've used an SSD boot drive before. SSDs didn't make much of a difference to me because I never close my apps and I never shut down my PC. 

You are a very rare exception to the rule.

Jeannie

 

As long as anyone is oppressed, no one will be safe and free.

One has to be proactive, not reactive, to ensure the safety of one's data so backup your data! And RAID is NOT a backup!

 

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2 minutes ago, r2724r16 said:

I'm not saying SSDs are bad, they're amazing. But people who ONLY use Chrome on a budget don't NEED an SSD.

If they only use their computer for web browsing, they don't need the large capacity a HDD offers and should buy an SSD instead of a HDD.

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1 minute ago, Lady Fitzgerald said:

You are a very rare exception to the rule.

I would not say so because for one there is no rule nor an exception to a rule.

But people can put their os on the ssd, and if I remembered rightly, games dont need ssd except for open maps or whatever its called, I forget the terminology nomenclature

 

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29 minutes ago, r2724r16 said:

A HDD isn't as bad as you're saying... so what if Chrome takes an extra 1.5 seconds to open up compared to a SSD? That's not a big deal for most people. 

 

And lots of people (like me) don't power off their computers every night, so boot times don't matter either to them.

Not the point if it’s not that bad. Opening files, explorer, games etc all way faster on an SSD. Not to mention GTAV. 

 

The point is it’s like $75 for a 240GB these days so why skimp on something that’s so cheap and will give you so much in return? 

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1 minute ago, Canada EH said:

I would not say so because for one there is no rule nor an exception to a rule.

But people can put their os on the ssd, and if I remembered rightly, games dont need ssd except for open maps or whatever its called, I forget the terminology nomenclature

 

You are conflating need and desire. There is nothing wrong with wanting something better.

 

Games can be installed on SSDs. The game itself won't run any faster once loaded but it will load dramatically faster.

 

 

Jeannie

 

As long as anyone is oppressed, no one will be safe and free.

One has to be proactive, not reactive, to ensure the safety of one's data so backup your data! And RAID is NOT a backup!

 

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It is a hurry up and wait society. Shave time off the load up, yet play games. There is a hand off to everything in life and life is made up of choices. Human nature is human nature, that will never change. I hope that HDD's just keep becoming cheaper and cheaper, and we can hope that ssd's fall in price at the same rate, but that will not happen.

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A 512GB Samsung 860 Pro, the Pros being probably the best consumer SSDs available, is only $148 on Newegg. The Samsung 860 EVO, which is plenty for most people, is only $88 on Newegg.

Jeannie

 

As long as anyone is oppressed, no one will be safe and free.

One has to be proactive, not reactive, to ensure the safety of one's data so backup your data! And RAID is NOT a backup!

 

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