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Linus Torvalds says he's taking time off and apologizes for 'unprofessional and uncalled for' behavior

 

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Creator of ... Linux, Linus Torvalds, is taking time off and apologizing for his "unprofessional and uncalled for" behavior.. said... Sunday. "I need to change some of my behavior, and I want to apologize to the people that my personal behavior hurt and possibly drove away from kernel development entirely,"... "I am going to take time off and get some assistance on how to understand people's emotions and respond appropriately." "This is not some kind of 'I'm burnt out, I need to just go away' break. I'm not feeling like I don't want to continue maintaining Linux. Quite the reverse,"... "I very much *do* want to continue to do this project that I've been working on for almost three decades."

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On Sunday, Linus Torvalds spoke about... a chance to realize "that I really had been ignoring some fairly deep-seated feelings in the community." Torvalds apologized for hurting people with his behavior over the years, and possibly driving some people "away from kernel development entirely." On that end, said Torvalds, "I am going to take time off and get some assistance on how to understand people's emotions and respond appropriately."

"It's one thing when you can ignore these issues. Usually it's just something I didn't want to deal with. This is my reality. I am not an emotionally empathetic kind of person and that probably doesn't come as a big surprise to anybody. Least of all me. The fact that I then misread people and don't realize (for years) how badly I've judged a situation and contributed to an unprofessional environment is not good. This week people in our community confronted me about my lifetime of not understanding emotions. My flippant attacks in emails have been both unprofessional and uncalled for. Especially at times when I made it personal. In my quest for a better patch, this made sense to me. I know now this was not OK and I am truly sorry. 

The above is basically a long-winded way to get to the somewhat painful personal admission that hey, I need to change some of my behavior, and I want to apologize to the people that my personal behavior hurt and possibly drove away from kernel development entirely.I am going to take time off and get some assistance on how to understand people's emotions and respond appropriately."

 

My Thoughts:

Linus is well known for being very direct with people and being the forefront of kernel development for the base of thousands of enterprise level systems is pretty stressful. I hope he gets much needed time off.

 

 

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About time. Hes already been disowned by a huge amount of the devs, he should have realized this long ago. 

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Looks like he might have had a lot of stress, good he's taking a break.

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I felt like his rants at times were at least a spotlight to problems and were good for the development of the kernel. But at the same time, if this was his general behavior, then yeah, it is grating to have to deal with it all the time.

 

And then this part makes me sad (from the Ars Technica report)

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In contrast, many denizens of the /r/Linux subreddit are unimpressed, dismissing the code of conduct as made up by a "completely insane and bigoted individual," and claiming that "millenial [sic] snowflakes finally got to him."

 

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Can we also ask Richard Stallman to take some time off and learn not to be such an absolutist?

 

Seriously: he's so trapped by his ideology that a Chinese iPhone user has more real-world freedom than he does.

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Just now, DVA said:

There's suit Linus!!

and then there's cat ear Linus.. 10/10

The cat ear headphone video is the best LTT video hands-down.

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He holds the Linux Trademark and a controlling stake in what goes in HIS Linux. Why asshat gets to be an asshat.

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14 minutes ago, AshKetchup said:

Lol just use Windows, problem solved

Some of us like to have more control over our PC and OS. 

11 minutes ago, AshKetchup said:

I'd be stressed too if my operating system couldn't run any games :/

You must have never heard of Steam or GoG. There are thousands, including many triple-A titles. And then there's the Proton beta feature as part of Steam Play that was just announced, which allows any for Windows-only game to run in Linux (I've tested it with a few so far and yes, it works). Please stop spreading misinformation. 

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Just now, MEC-777 said:

Some of us like to have more control over our PC and OS. 

You must have never heard of Steam or GoG. There are thousands, including many triple-A titles. And then there's the Proton beta feature as part of Steam Play that was just announced, which allows any for Windows-only game to run in Linux (I've tested it with a few so far and yes, it works). Please stop spreading misinformation. 

Not all Steam games work on Linux

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Just now, VegetableStu said:

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He hates Nvidia? Why?

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1 minute ago, AshKetchup said:

He hates Nvidia? Why?

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Just now, AshKetchup said:

Not all Steam games work on Linux

I never said they all work. You said Linux couldn't run any. I was addressing that claim as being false. There are thousands that do work natively in Linux. 

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24 minutes ago, AshKetchup said:

I'd be stressed too if my operating system couldn't run any games :/

apparently you didn't see this video, you can definitely game on linus

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Just now, AshKetchup said:

Lol that explains why no games run on Linux xD

You do realize the current state of Nvidia drivers for Linux are pretty much on-par with Windows drivers... lol

 

 

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4 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

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Better?

 

 

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12 minutes ago, AshKetchup said:

Not all Steam games work on Linux

 

33 minutes ago, AshKetchup said:

I'd be stressed too if my operating system couldn't run any games :/

Do you even read what you type before posting?

 

Also, Linux is just the kernel - not a full OS by modern standards.

 

7 minutes ago, rcmaehl said:

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Better?

 

 

LUL

 

On topic, I don't think this is a huge deal - he'll most likely be back soon, more pissed off than ever ^^

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To keep this thread within a mile of the rails, I hope he gets his issues worked out and comes back soon

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30 minutes ago, Commodus said:

Can we also ask Richard Stallman to take some time off and learn not to be such an absolutist?

 

Seriously: he's so trapped by his ideology that a Chinese iPhone user has more real-world freedom than he does.

I think he has to be, being the founder of the GNU project and all the things GPL stands for.

 

But I don't agree with its ideals. To paraphrase a software developer who released some application (I keep thinking it was Paku Paku, but it wasn't) as public domain: What's the point of shouting "Freedom!" when your license consists of pages on pages of legalese?

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18 minutes ago, MEC-777 said:

You do realize the current state of Nvidia drivers for Linux are pretty much on-par with Windows drivers... lol

 

 

Hell, even the AMD drivers aren't rubbish on Linux. I'm honestly grateful that driver support has improved a lot in Linux distros in the past few years.

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46 minutes ago, Commodus said:

Can we also ask Richard Stallman to take some time off and learn not to be such an absolutist?

 

Seriously: he's so trapped by his ideology that a Chinese iPhone user has more real-world freedom than he does.

Taking time off from his work and changing his ideology aren't really related... and honestly I'd rather he reconsidered his stance on pedophilia than his free software manifesto.

 

As for being "trapped", as long as it's his own choice to do what he does, he's as free as anyone (and arguably more so). Making choices doesn't mean giving up your freedom.

12 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

What's the point of shouting "Freedom!" when your license consists of pages on pages of legalese?

Freedom does not mean anarchy. "You can't enslave other people", for instance, is a law that protects freedom despite limiting your actions. If you don't like the GPL you can always use the MIT license, which just says you can do whatever you want with the code - just don't complain if someone modifies it, doesn't publish the changes and sells his version.

 

Not that I agree with everything RMS and the FSF say, not by a long shot, but on this point I think they're right. In fact, if anything the GPL 3 license is too permissive in my opinion. There's a reason the Linux kernel still uses GPL 2.

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7 minutes ago, gabrielcarvfer said:

People complain about him, but did you ever receive a completely stupid pull request? Now imagine hundreds/thousands. 
Imagine working on something for 30 years, trying to make the best you can and people sending subpar patches and/or not following the coding standards.

 

A bunch of people takes as personal when it isn't. Just fix whatever you wanted to send, make it comply with the standards and send again.

Sure, but L.T. is also a bit of a dick. He admits this himself; it's just a flaw he has. His rants may not be intended as personal, but they're often needlessly aggressive and offensive towards contributors.

11 minutes ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

Hell, even the AMD drivers aren't rubbish on Linux. I'm honestly grateful that driver support has improved a lot in Linux distros in the past few years.

Yep, and AMD's drivers are open source now too.

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