GTX 1080 TI or RTX 2080?

[DVA]

Hey guys! I was just wondering with the upcoming 2000 series, what do you guys think will be the better gpu?

Do you think the dollar difference is worth getting a 2080 over a 1080ti? Or will it just be a simple waiting game until the benchmarks come out.

 

 

The 1080ti? Currently going anywhere from $630 usd to $800+

 

Or the RTX 2080? Supposedly starting at $700, but due to high demand may be found more often than not at around $800+ 

 

Debate away!

[DocSwag]

Wait for benchmarks. I don't want to base anything off of benchmarks from nvidia and as you mentioned prices might get wonky.

[voiha]

We are talking about High-end graphics card that are not budget options nor has the best performance to dollar ratio. It's a choice solely based on how much money you make/have. If you're worried about buying 800$ GPU chances are, you can't afford it without sacrificing something else.

ofcourse that the 2080 would be better performance wise than the GTX 1080TI, the framerate should be better without RTX option enabled.

[DVA]

1 minute ago, Andrew.Schickowski said:

i would just say stick with a 1080ti, As of now its tough to say but the 1080ti should see some more price drops when the 20 series releases but considering the framrate numbers that were released on 2080ti playing shadow of the tomb raider, it got around 30 fps at 1080p with rtx on so the 2080 will be even less. If your not worried about rtx i would say stick with 1080ti 

 

Just now, DocSwag said:

Wait for benchmarks. I don't want to base anything off of benchmarks from nvidia and as you mentioned prices might get wonky.

Yeah I have noticed a recent drops in the 1080 TI's. Last night NewEgg had a flash sale on some MSI ones for only $599 USD. I suspect they were dumping some and making space for the 2000 series.

[DVA]

2 minutes ago, voiha said:

We are talking about High-end graphics card that are not budget options nor has the best performance to dollar ratio. It's a choice solely based on how much money you make/have. If you're worried about buying 800$ GPU chances are, you can't afford it without sacrificing something else.

ofcourse that the 2080 would be better performance wise than the GTX 1080TI, the framerate should be better without RTX option enabled.

Well I personally wouldn't mind dropping an extra 100 dollars on an entire generation, it was simply a question to see if it WORTH the extra 100.

I have seen back and fourths with people saying the 1080ti will perform better than the 2080. I have also seen people saying the 2080 will just barely be any better, but for a lot more cost.

 

I just wanted to know what the community thinks 

[Brooksie359]

2 minutes ago, DVA said:

 

Yeah I have noticed a recent drops in the 1080 TI's. Last night NewEgg had a flash sale on some MSI ones for only $599 USD. I suspect they were dumping some and making space for the 2000 series.

If you didn't preorder you are better off waiting for benchmarks as you likely won't be able to get one any time soon. 

[DVA]

1 minute ago, Brooksie359 said:

If you didn't preorder you are better off waiting for benchmarks as you likely won't be able to get one any time soon. 

Yeah, I know. This is just a discussion of how people expect the 2080 to play out vs the 1080 ti and if it it worth the dollar difference. 

 

But I know this is extremely hard to debate without any knowledge of the 2080. More of a hypothetical discussion. 

[voiha]

2 minutes ago, DVA said:

Well I personally wouldn't mind dropping an extra 100 dollars on an entire generation, it was simply a question to see if it WORTH the extra 100.

I have seen back and fourths with people saying the 1080ti will perform better than the 2080. I have also seen people saying the 2080 will just barely be any better, but for a lot more cost.

 

I just wanted to know what the community thinks 

Without RTX option enabled the 2080 will be better performance wise, there is no doubt. I don't really see a world where NVIDIA will push a GPU generation with that low of performance gain. That would be catastrophic for their company.

[Dedayog]

Another new post?

 

Dude, what is your deal?  You've gone from 1070 to now a $800 unproven video card?

[Princess Luna]

3 minutes ago, voiha said:

Without RTX option enabled the 2080 will be better performance wise, there is no doubt. I don't really see a world where NVIDIA will push a GPU generation with that low of performance gain. That would be catastrophic for their company.

Actually the latest 3d mark leak suggests otherwise, the GTX 1080 Ti is looking to be slightly superior in raw performance compared to the RTX 2080 when we take Ray Tracing out of the equation.

 

Which makes perfect sense, as many have been suggesting the reason why the RTX 2080 Ti got released as well going against the usual old release style by nVidia is because there is no real upgrading (more of a sidegrade if not even a downgrade overclocking taken into account) from the GTX 1080 Ti to the RTX 2080.

 

The only thing going on the RTX 2080 direction is Ray Tracing which is a feature that really only 2 games are going to truly support and a hell lot of 'ifs and promises'.

[DVA]

1 minute ago, jstudrawa said:

Another new post?

 

Dude, what is your deal?  You've gone from 1070 to now a $800 unproven video card?

It's just a conversation, I've already picked up a 1080ti. What is YOUR deal?  Just let me post lol, interacting with people doesn't have to be a bad thing brother. 

[DVA]

Just now, Princess Cadence said:

Actually the latest 3d mark leak suggests otherwise, the GTX 1080 Ti is looking to be slightly superior in raw performance compared to the RTX 2080 when we take Ray Tracing out of the equation.

I've seen that as well, I'm hoping the opposite will be true when official information is out. 

[Brooksie359]

6 minutes ago, DVA said:

Well I personally wouldn't mind dropping an extra 100 dollars on an entire generation, it was simply a question to see if it WORTH the extra 100.

I have seen back and fourths with people saying the 1080ti will perform better than the 2080. I have also seen people saying the 2080 will just barely be any better, but for a lot more cost.

 

I just wanted to know what the community thinks 

Well the 2080 has 2944 cuda cores where as the 1080ti has 3584 so that's why they think the 2080 will be slower.

[Dedayog]

5 minutes ago, DVA said:

It's just a conversation, I've already picked up a 1080ti. What is YOUR deal?  Just let me post lol, interacting with people doesn't have to be a bad thing brother. 

Cool, glad you decided on something.  I thought you were debating a new thing to buy and we're starting over

It's been a rough morning, my Growler Chill is delayed again.  I need to step back before I get all sorts of upset.

 

You get that Ultrawide ordered tho?

[Enderman]

10 minutes ago, DVA said:

Yeah, I know. This is just a discussion of how people expect the 2080 to play out vs the 1080 ti and if it it worth the dollar difference. 

 

But I know this is extremely hard to debate without any knowledge of the 2080. More of a hypothetical discussion. 

Then why would you base a several hundred dollar purchasing decision on a persons's random guess.

[Brooksie359]

10 minutes ago, DVA said:

Yeah, I know. This is just a discussion of how people expect the 2080 to play out vs the 1080 ti and if it it worth the dollar difference. 

 

But I know this is extremely hard to debate without any knowledge of the 2080. More of a hypothetical discussion. 

If you want the extra features the new cards have then it's probably worth it but otherwise the 1080ti seems like it will be the better value. The 2080ti is the only card that is ensured to be faster than the older generation in normal rendering. 

[voiha]

9 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Actually the latest 3d mark leak suggests otherwise, the GTX 1080 Ti is looking to be slightly superior in raw performance compared to the RTX 2080 when we take Ray Tracing out of the equation.

 

Which makes perfect sense, as many have been suggesting the reason why the RTX 2080 Ti got released as well going against the usual old release style by nVidia is because there is no real upgrading (more of a sidegrade if not even a downgrade overclocking taken into account) from the GTX 1080 Ti to the RTX 2080.

 

The only thing going on the RTX 2080 direction is Ray Tracing which is a feature that really only 2 games are going to truly support and a hell lot of 'ifs and promises'.

If that's true, people will never look at NVIDIA the same way unless they show some remarkable improvement or technology - and people with current 1080/1080ti's wouldn't have the need of upgrading in the near 1-2 years.

[Brooksie359]

1 minute ago, Enderman said:

Then why would you base a several hundred dollar purchasing decision on a persons's random guess.

Because they like to live life on the edge? I find that people often already know what they want to do and are just waiting for others to reaffirm that decision. 

[Princess Luna]

Just now, voiha said:

If that's true, people will never look at NVIDIA the same way unless they show some remarkable improvement or technology - and people with current 1080/1080ti's wouldn't have the need of upgrading in the near 1-2 years.

Turing cards deal is about bringing Ray Tracing into mainstream, not give users more performance of what's there already though.

[DVA]

6 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

Cool, glad you decided on something.  I thought you were debating a new thing to buy and we're starting over

It's been a rough morning, my Growler Chill is delayed again.  I need to step back before I get all sorts of upset.

 

You get that Ultrawide ordered tho?

Haha no not yet. I will probably wait that purchase out until Black Friday. They are all so expensive right now. I had a budget of about $2000 usd WITH taxes and this build put me at around 1920 or so. 

 

I'll gladly keep in contact with you if you have any more monitor suggestions. I find so many monitors are actually overpriced, but one day on the forums here I was speaking to someone and they told me how a good monitor can outlast a good pc. It kind of opened my eyes, maybe those 400 dollar monitors ARE worth the investment. 

5 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

Because they like to live life on the edge? I find that people often already know what they want to do and are just waiting for others to reaffirm that decision. 

Though I have already bought my card, I still find this to be true lol. That's why @jstudrawa was getting annoyed with me. I kept making new topics because I was so sure yet so UNSURE about the purchases I was making. 

But I'm done now and just waiting on all the parts to come in.

[Dedayog]

Just now, DVA said:

Haha no not yet. I will probably wait that purchase out until Black Friday. They are all so expensive right now. I had a budget of about $2000 usd WITH taxes and this build put me at around 1920 or so. 

 

I'll gladly keep in contact with you if you have any more monitor suggestions. I find so many monitors are actually overpriced, but one day on the forums here I was speaking to someone and they told me how a good monitor can outlast a good pc. It kind of opened my eyes, maybe those 400 dollar monitors ARE worth the investment. 

Though I have already bought my card, I still find this to be true lol. That's why @jstudrawa was getting annoyed with me. I kept making new topics because I was so sure yet so UNSURE about the purchases I was making. 

But I'm done now and just waiting on all the parts to come in.

Totally, but I didn't give you the credit you deserve that you're actually thinking this all thru logically and being a smart buyer and not just some guy flipping back and forth.  You've really researched your stuff, which is a great idea  

 

I truly believe monitors, mice, keyboard, speakers and cases are the things that don't directly effect performance but make your PC experience better indirectly.  My buddy was the one that told me to buy things that make my PC experience better and since then I've really put thought and money into nicer peripherals.  

 

The ultrawide is suggested cuz you now have the horsepower to push all those pixels, and when you've got a game extending into your peripheral vision... it's just more immersive to me.  Yes, they're not cheap.  But how much was the TV in your living room? Which is used more?  I asked myself that and it was a no brainer to get the Ulrawide.

[voiha]

6 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Turing cards deal is about bringing Ray Tracing into mainstream, not give users more performance of what's there already though.

and because of that we shouldn't see improvement over the last generation because this is attempt or more like first steps of adopting the Ray Tracing technology to the mainstream ?

 

People already leaked low fps with RTX technology 60-70FPS, on 1080p screen is OK, but most users already upgraded to 1440p screens which will achieve less FPS and I think that most of them will just RTX OFF.  On a side note, I'm not against the RT technology I think that it's great and even that we can achieve 60FPS on 1080p is something outstanding.

[DVA]

2 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

Totally, but I didn't give you the credit you deserve that you're actually thinking this all thru logically and being a smart buyer and not just some guy flipping back and forth.  You've really researched your stuff, which is a great idea  

 

I truly believe monitors, mice, keyboard, speakers and cases are the things that don't directly effect performance but make your PC experience better indirectly.  My buddy was the one that told me to buy things that make my PC experience better and since then I've really put thought and money into nicer peripherals.  

 

The ultrawide is suggested cuz you now have the horsepower to push all those pixels, and when you've got a game extending into your peripheral vision... it's just more immersive to me.  Yes, they're not cheap.  But how much was the TV in your living room? Which is used more?  I asked myself that and it was a no brainer to get the Ulrawide.

Oh man you're just hitting me with some wisdom right now! I rarely, if ever, use my TV. Do you have personally have any issues with using the ultra wide for FPS games? Or is it just fine? Not playing competitively of course, just being competitive

 

Could you tell me the monitor you're using again? I remember you saying 32" ultra wide, but I can't recall of any brands or models. 

[Dedayog]

 

They're better than standard 16:9 screens like IMAX is better than regular movie theaters. Fills most of your vision

 

In most FPS, they show more screen, yes. Some, no.  I own this... AOC Agon 35" 3440x1440p 75Mhz G-Sync.  G-Sync is awesome, IMO.

 

https://smile.amazon.com/AOC-AG352UCG6-Curved-Monitor-3440x1440/dp/B07BMVNJZP/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1536934604&sr=8-1&keywords=aoc+agon+35

 

It's an investment, yes.  But I expect it to last as long as my TV, longer even.  Or I'll sell it and buy a better one later. Like cars, you don't just look at horsepower, but the experience of driving.  Spend the money where you spend your time

[DVA]

5 minutes ago, voiha said:

and because of that we shouldn't see improvement over the last generation because this is attempt or more like first steps of adopting the Ray Tracing technology to the mainstream ?

 

People already leaked low fps with RTX technology 60-70FPS, on 1080p screen is OK, but most users already upgraded to 1440p screens which will achieve less FPS and I think that most of them will just RTX OFF.  On a side note, I'm not against the RT technology I think that it's great and even that we can achieve 60FPS on 1080p is something outstanding.

I wonder how many people are fine with dropping frames to gain more details in their gaming experience. 

As Nvidia showed, there are now details you could not have gotten before. Such as the whole car/fire explosion thing they showed multiple times. 

But is it worth dropping a ton of frames? Hmm.. I think yes if it's not online. For an online experience I would not want the drop in frames just for an extra shadow or for more realism.