iPad Pro 2018, No Headphone Jack

[Sauron]

11 minutes ago, pinksnowbirdie said:

Maybe I'm a little biased towards being interested in going with wireless headphones because it's something I'm considering (like a nice pair of Bose wireless headphones). But Apple does include an adapter, I know it's not ideal. But it's not like you *can't* use regular headphones. Also, I guess I've noticed the fact that is I don't really charge and listen to music with headphones/earbuds too often on my S8+, it sure is nice to have it. But I could live without it. and I mean wireless headphones are kinda cool

 

I dunno, Bluetooth and headphones that use it have gotten better over the years.

It's not that you can't make it work, or that I wouldn't want it to support bluetooth - it's just that they're removing a feature for no good reason (at least as far as their customers are concerned) in a very expensive device and then giving you an adapter, completely defeating any portability advantage they might have gained by removing the jack.

 

In my opinion, when you spend 900$+ on a device you shouldn't have to "live without it" unless there's a VERY good reason.

[vorticalbox]

1 hour ago, Sauron said:

Yes, throwing more accessories at a 900$+ device solves its design deficiencies. Who'd have thought. Maybe if it came with a wireless charger this would be a better excuse.

Oh don't get me wrong I 100% agree with you, but it is a solution.

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

Apple : Having the courage to make you buy $100 wireless earbuds that you have to fucking charge since 2016

[ARikozuM]

Time to buy an inch-thick case? 

[Drak3]

1 hour ago, schwellmo92 said:

There's only so much DAC you can fit in a mobile device, you're better off with a digital device that can fit a higher quality DAC

Few things.

1. If it has a speaker, it has a DAC.
2. No set of wireless headphones has a better DAC than a cheap phone. Bluetooth counters any increase in quality over dirt cheap DACs.
3. The iPad has the room for the DAC, so does every iPhone.

[PlayStation 2]

People are complaining about the headphone jack while I'm far more worried about if FaceID makes it to the iPad Pro. Allegedly it only works in Portrait mode, so implementing it into the iPad Pro would be a broken decision.

[Emberstone]

3 hours ago, Metallus97 said:

But no HP Jack on my X is pissing me of real hard.

*Cackles maniacally in S9.*

 

In all seriousness, no headphone jack on a "pro" product is ridiculous. Unless the "Pro" is just part of the name and Apple recognizes that this is not a professional product and just names it as such to sound fancy.

 

They better not claim it's for water resistance. If someone is carrying their iPad near a lake or a pool, they're idiots. If it's for the battery, would a millimeter or so of extra battery length really make that big of a difference? I'd say no. Maybe a few minutes at best.

 

I don't understand why so many handheld and tablet products are cutting features these days. I used to use an iPhone, and Apple's business practices and continuous detraction from the phone's functionality practically forced me to get a Galaxy S9 in order to continue with the user experience I'm used to and expect from such an expensive device.

[handymanshandle]

11 minutes ago, Emberstone said:

*Cackles maniacally in S9.*

 

In all seriousness, no headphone jack on a "pro" product is ridiculous. Unless the "Pro" is just part of the name and Apple recognizes that this is not a professional product and just names it as such to sound fancy.

 

They better not claim it's for water resistance. If someone is carrying their iPad near a lake or a pool, they're idiots. If it's for the battery, would a millimeter or so of extra battery length really make that big of a difference? I'd say no. Maybe a few minutes at best.

 

I don't understand why so many handheld and tablet products are cutting features these days. I used to use an iPhone, and Apple's business practices and continuous detraction from the phone's functionality practically forced me to get a Galaxy S9 in order to continue with the user experience I'm used to and expect from such an expensive device.

those minutes could be the difference of them being able to say over 9 hours or just simply 10 hours battery life.

 

Also, I have an S8+.
I wouldn't say that just having a headphone jack makes it any better or worse than an iPhone 8+.

[Fullmental]

If this is true, then it looks like the iPad Pro 2nd gen will be the *only* iPad I ever own. 

[Emberstone]

54 minutes ago, pinksnowbirdie said:

I wouldn't say that just having a headphone jack makes it any better or worse than an iPhone 8+.

Do I take a one-way ticket to Dongle City to use my $250 headphones that I am absolutely not replacing, or do I just buy a phone that has more features?

[handymanshandle]

Just now, Emberstone said:

Do I take a one-way ticket to Dongle City to use my $250 headphones that I am absolutely not replacing, or do I just buy a phone that has more features?

ah see, I'm not in that position of having super expensive headphones that are wired. Not everyone is in that position. But I understand/

[ARikozuM]

2 minutes ago, Emberstone said:

Do I take a one-way ticket to Dongle City to use my $250 headphones that I am absolutely not replacing, or do I just buy a phone that has more features?

You have to kindle the Apple Store bonfires as far as they'll go. 

 

#ObviousJoke

[JoeCoke]

5 hours ago, Keg Ops said:

be grateful you have any sort of port at all 

 

it's not a huge deal for me

Not a great way of thinking, that's all I'll say.

[Heesleemer]

5 hours ago, manikyath said:

nope, the iPad is just a big iPhone without cellular. (better known as a tablet, although that line is fading)

you can have cellular - I do on mine. Actually helpful for travel

[Emberstone]

11 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

You have to kindle the Apple Store bonfires as far as they'll go. 

 

#ObviousJoke

In Apple's domain, there are no bonfires.

 

The flame has been snuffed out by all the refurb boards they bake.

[RotoCoreOne]

Well, my usb-c to 3.5mm jack broke today. RIP

[shermantanker]

I can understand it being removed from the iPhone, and it hasn't really bother me in my day to day use. However with the iPad I can't think of any reason why you would need to remove it.

[vetali]

I am more against this than them removing it in the iphone. Phones are much more strapped for estate. Their "reasoning" was believable in that sense even though we all knew they wanted to drive manufacturers to the lightning standard or put W chips in their products and pay royalties to use them. 

 

The thing is, they have been using the ipad pro to push developers to make more professional oriented apps onto the ios app store. It had been successful in that regard. In removing the headphone jack they can start saying goodbye to professionals working with sound production. I guess apples definition of "pro" now just means you carry dongles with you wherever you go. 

[AnonymousGuy]

56 minutes ago, Emberstone said:

Do I take a one-way ticket to Dongle City to use my $250 headphones that I am absolutely not replacing, or do I just buy a phone that has more features?

The dongle that Apple provides is very good quality (I haven't broken one despite almost 2 years of abuse now) and it has a DAC that is better than many standalone DACs.  

 

The bitch is when you want to listen to music while charging.  You can't do it unless you have a lightning dock (which I just have 1 at each of my desks).  All of the third party lightning spliters / dongles get shit reviews.

 

Strange Parts also proved that you can put a headphone jack back in a phone.  The "we needed more room" was bullshit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utfbE3_uAMA

[Guest]

5 hours ago, Sauron said:

Just like with the iphone, I would be ok with this if they had replaced it with a usb-c port. This way it's just silly and a way to force you to buy apple licensed headphones if you don't want to deal with the problems of bluetooth. Oh, and charging a device while listening to music is CLEARLY overrated... #courage

The way I deal with my bluetooth headphones is take them out of the case and put them in my ear? I don't see how thats different from wired headphones. This isn't 2005 anymore. 

[Sauron]

1 minute ago, RorzNZ said:

The way I deal with my bluetooth headphones is take them out of the case and put them in my ear? I don't see how thats different from wired headphones. This isn't 2005 anymore. 

2005 or not you still need to charge them, if you use them with multiple devices they don't always autoconnect, they are more expensive than their cabled counterparts and having bt always on drains your device's battery faster.

[AnonymousGuy]

1 minute ago, Sauron said:

2005 or not you still need to charge them, if you use them with multiple devices they don't always autoconnect, they are more expensive than their cabled counterparts and having bt always on drains your device's battery faster.

And audio quality coming out of bluetooth chipsets sucks ass.

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Sauron said:

2005 or not you still need to charge them, if you use them with multiple devices they don't always autoconnect, they are more expensive than their cabled counterparts and having bt always on drains your device's battery faster.

The battery on by PowerBeats 3 lasts for 12 hours, and my AirPods last for several days, the AirPods always auto-connect and both of these headsets were under $200 AUD. I have my bluetooth always on for my smart watch anyway so it's a non-issue. Just keep your stuff plugged in at night when you aren't using them like everything else.

[suicidalfranco]

44 minutes ago, RotoCoreOne said:

Well, my usb-c to 3.5mm jack broke today. RIP

could have been worse

could have been the usb-c port on your phone to break down. 

Considering that that port gets used twice as much compared to a device that as both a charging/data port and an headphone jack 

[Drak3]

1 minute ago, RorzNZ said:

The battery on by PowerBeats 3 lasts for 12 hours, and my AirPods last for several days

My VModa M100s last indefinitely.

 

2 minutes ago, RorzNZ said:

keep your stuff plugged in at night when you aren't using them like everything else.

What about those that don't keep things plugged in at night or are forgetful?