Intel Core i9 9900K

[GoldenLag]

38 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

No

 

And with what you want, we are talking about 130W TDP. Won't be happening. And the Die won't be soldered because that's expensive. They'd loose money.

tell me how AMD can make money from a chip by soldering it while intel cant? like i know the CCX stuff an all that, but thats a high end chip with high margins on a very well developed Node

[SpaceGhostC2C]

It would be such an unnecessarily bad naming scheme that it's probably true.

Confusing, convoluted, or just plain bad naming seems a necessary condition to be a hardware manufacturer.

[Christophe Corazza]

6 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

or will current 300 series mobos work just fine?

 

This is Intel we're talking about 

[Sauron]

28 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

Yes, 2 Dollar at 12 Million CPUs equals 24MIllion Loss.

 

ANd its not the Only way. There are others.

And you are willing to pay, so there isn't a problem for them (yet). Although there are all the Security Issues with their CPUs.

Pennies compared to an income of billions. Obviously every company would love to spend as little as possible and get as much profit as possible, but sacrificing quality in the long term ends up eroding your customer base. Besides I'm sure nobody would complain about having to pay 2$ more for their 400$+ cpu if it meant better temperatures and performance.

4 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

hopefully they are priced nice, or else its just kinda sad.

Intel has slept itself into a corner. Their manufacturing process is much more expensive than AMD's and they can't compete in terms of price without taking a significant loss. They are already slashing their previously monstrous margins to keep up. Don't expect this to be any cheaper than 400$ and most likely it will be closer to 450-500.

[GoldenLag]

1 minute ago, Sauron said:

Intel has slept itself into a corner. Their manufacturing process is much more expensive than AMD's and they can't compete in terms of price without taking a significant loss. They are already slashing their previously monstrous margins to keep up. Don't expect this to be any cheaper than 400$ and most likely it will be closer to 450-500.

500$ isnt bad from what we know of intel.

 

their margins are gonna fall when 10nm comes out aswell. remember they are running on a very developed node

[Sauron]

2 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Well didn't Intel already done this with the i5 7640X and i7 7740X? same chip just rebranded for a different chipset, these supposedly 9600k and 9700k if real and mind you this is a WCCFTech leak so yeah... do seem to be identical to the 8600K and 8700K with the sole difference of being to the new chipset.

 

In the past I would say this is fake since it makes no sense, but lately having I learned how inconsistent Intel is with its releases I don't really doubt it any more... I'm rather upset for a long time I hoped the 8 cores coffee lake could end up working on z370 as the last 8th gen CPU.

 

What this looks like is that Intel is releasing the "9th" gen which by all means is just Coffee Lake² solely to put the 8 cores variant out into the market...

 

Lets see what time will tell, meanwhile no news on the 10nm processors either.

Yes, that was worse though - those chips needed a far more expensive board to work for absolutely no reason. That's got little to do with the name though as the enthusiast line had always been called i7 previously. In this case however it just makes things more confusing for no reason - either make it a desktop chip and call it i7, or make it a workstaton chip and call it i9.

[Sauron]

1 minute ago, GoldenLag said:

500$ isnt bad from what we know of intel.

Of course, but it's still ludicrous - it's only 200$ off from AMD's 12 core threadripper and comparatively much more expensive than the Ryzen 7 line. Now that the game gap is almost closed there would be little reason for anyone to buy this outside of specific workloads.

[Deli]

37 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

Yes, 2 Dollar at 12 Million CPUs equals 24MIllion Loss.

 

ANd its not the Only way. There are others.

And you are willing to pay, so there isn't a problem for them (yet). Although there are all the Security Issues with their CPUs.

24 million isn't even enough to pay the bonus of the new Intel CEO.

[GoldenLag]

6 minutes ago, Deli said:

24 million isn't even enough to pay the bonus of the new Intel CEO.

They could allways just only saighter the very higj end CPUs. On the low end they cant overclock anyway.......

Edited June 28, 2018 by GoldenLag
Forgot a word that altered the meaning of things

[Taf the Ghost]

27 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

is this 14nm++++ and a new platform or will current 300 series mobos work just fine?

 

hopefully they are priced nice, or else its just kinda sad. 

 

now the question is if AMD is going to release an 2800x for funsies.

AMD always have to be in an intel thread

There supposedly is a 14nm+++ coming, but that's for low-power parts and either late this year or early next year. We're not sure if it's completely true, but we'll find out with Whisky Lake. However, Coffee Lake-R, or 9th Gen, doesn't appear to have any new IP. It's just an 8c design.

[Deli]

17 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

500$ isnt bad from what we know of intel.

 

their margins are gonna fall when 10nm comes out aswell. remember they are running on a very developed node

You can find 7820x for $450 now. A cheap X299 motherboard cost about $200.

 

If Intel dares to sell it for $500 with Z390 chip set only for high end $250+ mobo. Meh, I'll say good luck, Intel.

[S w a t s o n]

44 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

now the question is if AMD is going to release an 2800x for funsies.

AMD always have to be in an intel thread

2800x wont happen because it would just be a higher clocked 2700x, akin to the 8core threardipper part vs the old 1800x.

I would expect a price drop on the 12 core threadripper part, I'm sure they could sell it at $500 and laugh all the way to the bank still, though I'm guessing they would stick at $600 if Intel wants $500 for an 8 core.

[Deli]

8 minutes ago, Swatson said:

2800x wont happen because it would just be a higher clocked 2700x, akin to the 8core threardipper part vs the old 1800x.

I would expect a price drop on the 12 core threadripper part, I'm sure they could sell it at $500 and laugh all the way to the bank still, though I'm guessing they would stick at $600 if Intel wants $500 for an 8 core.

The 1920X is already selling less than $500 in many places.

[S w a t s o n]

1 minute ago, Deli said:

The 1920X is already selling less than $500 in many places.

I'm talking MSRP, for sure the 1920x would probably sell for $500 half the time if MSRP is $600.

I haven't seen it sell for less than $500 right now though

[Deli]

2 minutes ago, Swatson said:

I'm talking MSRP, for sure the 1920x would probably sell for $500 half the time if MSRP is $600.

I haven't seen it sell for less than $500 right now though

Last week It was $499 on Neweggs. Now it goes back to $694. However 1950X is only $749...

[S w a t s o n]

2 minutes ago, Deli said:

Last week It was $499 on Neweggs. Now it goes back to $694. However 1950X is only $749...

And just think, a 10 core was $1700 from Intel, 2 years ago

[Brooksie359]

1 hour ago, Sierra Fox said:

I love AMD fans for their hours of ranting anytime Intel come out with literally anything. Makes me happy to buy stuff that benefits me in the things I need it for and not because of some dumb brand loyality or moral high ground. Otherwise I would only have one choice to go with...I though you AMD people loved competition and choice?

Honestly I think people have a little too much brand loyalty. Better to give the facts and what you get with each brand rather than simply choosing one for the sake of choosing. I mean I do buy AMD cpus when I know I would be better off with Intel but that is a personal decision. When my friend comes to me and asks me to make him a good build with a relatively low budget I choose the i5 8400 just because it makes the most sense for what he wants. That's honestly what I do really enjoy is the fact that both Intel and AMD have their use cases and the choices we have now are great. Oh and the reason I say I would be better off with an Intel is simply because my use case is one of the few that actually would really benefit from a 8700k. I have a 240hz monitor and a 1080ti and like to max out those frames. 

[Deli]

2 minutes ago, Swatson said:

And just think, a 10 core was $1700 from Intel, 2 years ago

The older Ryzen 7 1700 is only $219 now.

 

If rumors is true that the new 32 cores 2990X is only $1500. It really is a BIG "Fxxk you, Intel"

[porina]

Wasn't there another rumour going around that Intel killed Z390? Dunno if that is any more true than this one.

 

If AMD offers enough performance at a price you want, why care about Intel pricing? Those who need or want the extra performance from Intel will get them. I can still destroy any AM4 CPU with my i3 at comparable cooling for my uses.

 

I don't really see 8 cores as being much more of a heat problem over 6 cores, at least not up to the point when they introduce AVX-512 into mainstream... base might drop slightly but you still turbo to the best of your cooling ability. If you're going top end, you shouldn't be skimping on cooling either. That applies to both Intel and AMD before anyone intentionally misreads that.

[Brooksie359]

7 minutes ago, Swatson said:

And just think, a 10 core was $1700 from Intel, 2 years ago

I mean the 8 core ryzen 1700 is 200 dollars now and 8 cores used to be 1000 dollars. That's actually insane to think about. 

[S w a t s o n]

37 minutes ago, porina said:

If AMD offers enough performance at a price you want, why care about Intel pricing?

Bad logic, I care about pricing either way. Intel is free to charge any price they want but I can still comment on it
 

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I can still destroy any AM4 CPU with my i3 at comparable cooling for my uses.

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[BuckGup]

Honestly going with AMD makes more sense because it makes sense lol. Wrapping your head around with what CPU works with what chipset from what version is a nightmare to new builders. AMD AM4 works on everything and done

[Stefan Payne]

6 hours ago, GoldenLag said:

tell me how AMD can make money from a chip by soldering it while intel cant? like i know the CCX stuff an all that, but thats a high end chip with high margins on a very well developed Node

They work with different numbers and are not as greedy as Intel is and don't have to pay R&D for a mircroprocessor FAB no more.

And its not just that the higher end AMD Desktop CPUs are soldered, they also have a Heatspreader that's around double the mass of the Intel one.

And its a PGA package, not just an LGA...

 

 

6 hours ago, Sauron said:

Pennies compared to an income of billions. Obviously every company would love to spend as little as possible and get as much profit as possible,

Oh, you think so?

I've found another number about the procssors and they state around 400-600 Million processors sold by Intel.

With 2 Dollars more per CPU that makes 800 to 1.200 Million Dollar cost or less revenue for Intel.

That is a hell of a lot. And since Intel sells you the cheapest thing for the most money...

 

One can also argue that LGA is cheaper on the processor and that might have been the reason why Intel went for that. With all the Downsides for the Consumer...

 

6 hours ago, Sauron said:

but sacrificing quality in the long term ends up eroding your customer base. 

Only if the Market is working as intended...

But with Intel you see a very loyal Customer base that still buys the stuff Intel makes, despite all the disadvantages.

 

If the CPU isn't solder? No Problem, void the warranty and do it yourself.

Sidechannel Attacks? NO Problem, its Intel, can't be that bad, can it? Besides the others have to have the same issues, even if they don't...

 

And you've heard that BSD decided to disable SMT on Intel Processors because of the TLBleed thingy that isn't disclosed yet?
But Intel responded that they won't fix it...

[Stefan Payne]

6 hours ago, porina said:

Those who need or want the extra performance from Intel will get them. I can still destroy any AM4 CPU with my i3 at comparable cooling for my uses.

Seriously now you are lying to yourself here. 

Be honest and stop downplaying/overplaying stuff..

 

And why use the Word "destroy" here?!

Doesn't seem reasonable.

 

Especially since in most Games you'd want more than 4 Cores because they don't run well on those 4 Core Machines.

 

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I don't really see 8 cores as being much more of a heat problem over 6 cores,

Oh and how did AMD do it then, if it is so hard and impossible?
Its because Intel was lazy the last ~10 Years and didn't follow up on the core count and only optimized stuff for low cost, so that they could make more money with cheaper to manufacture products...

There is absolutely NO reason to have stuck with 4 Cores in the Desktop Market, especially with the 22nm node and Haswell, the world would have been ready for more than 4 Cores.

 

And in the end its a question about frequency and voltage.

 

Because there exist 32 core processors right now.

And even more than 8 core processor without solder between Die and Heatsink, although they cost 2 grand...

 

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at least not up to the point when they introduce AVX-512 into mainstream...

They won't because it makes little to no sense to introduce that in the consumer market.

And why should they?
Doesn't seem like something that would make sense in a Desktop enviroment.

 

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If you're going top end, you shouldn't be skimping on cooling either. That applies to both Intel and AMD before anyone intentionally misreads that.

Hm, why does it sound like you have no idea about the AMD Cooling solutions?
Because the AMD Boxed Heatsinks for the 2700 and 2700x are pretty darn good while Intel still does the same cheap garbage that can't even cool the processor at stock voltage within reasonable levels?

 

You really should take a look at the AMD Cooling Solutions:
https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/cpu-cooler-solution

 

While the Intel Boxed Cooler is just garbage, especially for the higher end ones like the i7-8700...

Well, it was always the case that the AMD Cooling solution wasn't that bad, if you compare it with Intel wich is just cheap....

[TheKDub]

It feels like just yesterday the i7 4770k was being released...

 

Wonder how much the i7 9700K will improve over the 8700K