A VERY Different Galaxy S9/S9+ Review

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, excitingcrane58 said:

On a ONE year old phone? Lithium ion batteries start to degrade after two years.

They start degrading immediately. Not sure who told you they only degrade after 2 years like they are somehow immune to the laws of physics. 

[excitingcrane58]

Just now, DrMacintosh said:

They start degrading immediately. Not sure who told you they only degrade after 2 years like they are immune to the laws of physics. 

sorry I meant that lithium ion batteries start to become noticablely worse after two years. A phone that is only 1 year old should not be slowed down.

[DrMacintosh]

2 minutes ago, excitingcrane58 said:

sorry I meant that lithium ion batteries start to become noticablely worse after two years. A phone that is only 1 year old should not be slowed down.

Not noticeablly to the user, but noticeable to the SoC. 

 

Its all about power delivery. 

[excitingcrane58]

4 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Not noticeablly to the user, but noticeable to the SoC. 

 

Its all about power delivery. 

So your telling me that if apple slows down the iPhone X this year that it is totally fine.

[DrMacintosh]

Just now, excitingcrane58 said:

So your telling me that if apple slows down the iPhone X this year that it is totally fine.

Yeah, because you can turn it off. Really the whole “slowdown” thing is a non-issue thanks to a simple switch. 

[excitingcrane58]

Just now, DrMacintosh said:

Yeah, because you can turn it off. Really the whole “slowdown” thing is a non-issue thanks to a simple switch. 

This switch is on by default. Most people won't know that this switch exists, my grandmother won't go diving through the settings to find this. Its shady at best.

[DrMacintosh]

Just now, excitingcrane58 said:

This switch is on by default. Most people won't know that this switch exists, my grandmother won't go diving through the settings to find this. Its shady at best.

Apple cant be responsible for people not reading the splash screens that get presented to them. 

[Kobathor]

7 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

What Linus touches is at the end is the biggest reason why I do not really like Samsung mobile as a company. Their software support is absolutely terrible. 

 

Samsung and many other Android OEMs seem to have this throw away mentality towards their customers and that isn't cool. 

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My dad's S7 (non-edge) is still on Android 7.0 (not 7.1) and an update for Oreo is still in pre-testing. This was a flagship phone in 2016-17!!!!

 

That's why I bought a Pixel 2. I can't stand phones not updating quickly. Apple and Google are the best at updates and nobody else comes close.

[D13H4RD]

10 hours ago, arnavvr said:

You could always root and get the latest software. My OnePlus Two is still on 6.0.1, and that's the latest software update available. The hardware is perfectly fine, it even has 4GB RAM like the S9.

Yeah, except Samsung phones that run on Snapdragon SoCs aren't easy to flash custom firmware on. 

 

The Exynos is much easier as it comes with an unlocked bootloader 

[D13H4RD]

13 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

What Linus touches is at the end is the biggest reason why I do not really like Samsung mobile as a company. Their software support is absolutely terrible. 

 

CORRECTION: Any Android OEM that isn't named Google, HMD or Essential sucks major ass when it comes to device software support. 

 

Also, I see you defending the iPhone's battery, but don't you think 500 cycles is too low? Not when you see that the much smaller Apple Watch has a battery that lasts up to 1000 cycles. 

 

Apple would be doing themselves and their customers a good favor if they put these type of batteries into the iPhone. Then again, it may cost a bit. 

 

Also, don't think the iPhone X will be slowed down as the battery gets worse. 

[King_of_Oz]

23 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

Actually no, that is what is trying to be proved in court. Further what Apple did extends the life of a phone, and in no way shortens it. 

 

They really shouldn't be. 

They really shouldn't be? WTF? The fact that They purposefully slowed down there products, and the only way to fix them is to pay money is BS. Stop being a FANBOY. Apple made a mistake, deal with it.

[King_of_Oz]

20 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

Apple cant be responsible for people not reading the splash screens that get presented to them. 

BUT THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING THE SLOWDOWN IN THE FIRST PLACE!

[DrMacintosh]

28 minutes ago, King_of_Oz said:

They really shouldn't be? WTF? The fact that They purposefully slowed down there products, and the only way to fix them is to pay money is BS.

The way to "fix it" is to do a little thing called flip a switch the battery section of settings.......You don't have to pay anything to anyone. 

27 minutes ago, King_of_Oz said:

BUT THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING THE SLOWDOWN IN THE FIRST PLACE!

You need to calm down first of all and secondly that is irrelevant to the question that my response was to. 

[DrMacintosh]

20 hours ago, excitingcrane58 said:

This switch is on by default. Most people won't know that this switch exists, my grandmother won't go diving through the settings to find this. Its shady at best.

And actually its not

 

The phone will support its peak performance mode for as long as the battery is capable of delivering the proper amount of power when under a max load. 

[applebook]

I gave up on Android software "support" a long time ago. Unless it's a Google phone, I expect nothing from these greedy corporations.

The simplest solution is to buy only phones that have unlocked bootloaders and decent dev support (Lineage OS preferably). Otherwise, consider yourself very fortunate if you receive a big OS update at all, and a miracle if you get one while the phone is still current.

[dionkoffie]

the amount of Apple fanboys in this topic lol.

At least my name isn't ''samsungboy'' ''Galaxy4life'' and stuff LOL

[applebook]

Well, when your benevolent overlords for years secretly compromise the performance of your expensive phones and then, upon being exposed for their schemes, call it a "feature," your loyal duty is to believe them and to propagate their message.

[Morgan MLGman]

On 7.04.2018 at 9:14 PM, DrMacintosh said:

And actually its not

 

The phone will support its peak performance mode for as long as the battery is capable of delivering the proper amount of power when under a max load. 

Yeah, though the issue in the first place was caused by a bad design which undeniably is Apple's fault, even if I personally did not experience any big issues on my old iPhone SE and the battery is at 95% of health after 1,5 year.

 

The SoC inside is their own design, and they failed to implement even that properly in their own products... Then pretty much took no responsibility for it, told the affected people that their phones will be slowed down and then "graciously" offered a discount for battery replacement?!  If your product is under warranty, how can they even charge for fixing an issue that's their own fault?

 

Not to mention software updates that cause more issues than they fix with each update since iOS 11. I've had 4 iPhones in my life, I recently switched to a Galaxy S9 and I will not be coming back to Apple anywhere in the near future because they disappointed me as a company.

[DrMacintosh]

5 hours ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Not to mention software updates that cause more issues than they fix with each update since iOS 11. I've had 4 iPhones in my life, I recently switched to a Galaxy S9 and I will not be coming back to Apple anywhere in the near future because they disappointed me as a company.

?

[D13H4RD]

On 4/11/2018 at 9:41 PM, applebook said:

I gave up on Android software "support" a long time ago. Unless it's a Google phone, I expect nothing from these greedy corporations.

The simplest solution is to buy only phones that have unlocked bootloaders and decent dev support (Lineage OS preferably). Otherwise, consider yourself very fortunate if you receive a big OS update at all, and a miracle if you get one while the phone is still current.

It's like I said. You buy a Google phone or one from Essential or Nokia if you want updates.

 

Everyone else just plain sucks at this. Samsung is far from the only one guilty of it, but given their influence, they sure as hell aren't sending a strong message

[D13H4RD]

So this thread is about the Galaxy S9?

 

Why are we discussing about iPhone batteries?

 

There are dozens of other threads about it. I've already laid my 2 cents but if you want it again, have it below

(I understand why the throttling was implemented. They chose the less-crappy move out of 2 crappy moves. But unfortunately, Apple did it in a manner that caused more harm than good. See, not many people understand the degradation of lithium batteries over time and how that affects not only the peak capacity but how much power it can adequately supply to the device depending on load. So when their iPhone inevitably slows down to prevent the battery from supplying too much voltage that it can no longer handle, causing a shutdown, changing the battery would be among the last things on their mind and probably think that their phone has gotten too slow? What do they do? Buy a new phone.

 

Maybe that's not completely Apple's intention, or maybe it is. Whatever it is, we shall never know for sure. But unless you're insanely daft, it's hard to deny that Apple's secrecy didn't exactly work out for them. On macOS, if the battery requires servicing, the OS will tell you that in the battery tab. IMHO, it should've been a part of the Today screen or part of the battery options screen. Maybe it wouldn't be so bad as Apple could point out "Hey, we actually told users beforehand".

 

Again, I know why Apple did it, but they honestly didn't handle it too well.)

 

Anyway, we're done here. Let's move on

[D13H4RD]

27 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

Because Doc Mac usually makes these threads into everyone vs Apple or instigates everything wrong with every other company that isn't their precious Apple then someone right after them starts bringing Apple into this.  I tend to avoid the war myself and just read through the back and forths.

I just want people to move on.

 

You can like or dislike a company and still be a perfectly normal human being

[Egg-Roll]

I like how Linus snuck in the dbrand part which gave away the second sponsor halfway. And finally Linus mentioned SLR in a camera comparison for phones...

 

As for the S9 stuff, the only 2 things they can really improve now are no longer physical imo, less the camera. However for the features LG and Moto had them first (split screen for LG, stereo for Moto), so it's great to see Sammy waking up, but their software support as mentioned by linus still sucks. My Moto G (2nd gen) still got updates up to a year or 2 ago, the phones nearing 4 years if not older.

 

I think I'll still avoid Sammy for now and give my money to other companies, for reason already stated in the past by me.