Twitch pushes out it's new content guidelines on harassment, "stream clothing" and hateful content

[Misanthrope]

Ok I get that they don't want non-nude camgirls as the base of the platform, but this is getting just fucking stupid: Enforcing a fucking dress code is not the best use of your fucking time.

[Commodus]

13 minutes ago, Myxzoid said:

Twitch has started to go downhill since Amazon bought them and now its starting to turn into a SJW and Whiteknight safe haven.

Was waiting for this kind of entitled whining to show up.  Waaah, I can't be an asshole to people who don't look and act like me!

 

Feel free to leave Twitch forever; the community will be better off without you.

[Blademaster91]

11 minutes ago, Commodus said:

Was waiting for this kind of entitled whining to show up.  Waaah, I can't be an asshole to people who don't look and act like me!

 

Feel free to leave Twitch forever; the community will be better off without you.

Same goes for people that feel they're entitled that they have to coddled by a 10 year old friendly content everywhere rule, if you can't handle a certain streamer you're welcome to find someone else to watch. Most popular streamers have content and sufficient mods to keep it at least teen friendly,but I'm not surprised by even more rules ever since Twitch was acquired by Amazon.

14 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

Ok I get that they don't want non-nude camgirls as the base of the platform, but this is getting just fucking stupid: Enforcing a fucking dress code is not the best use of your fucking time.

Yeah not sure what Twitch was expecting when they added the IRL section,what's next banning someone because they're streaming outside and some random person might not be following the Twitch dress code?

[Misanthrope]

4 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

Yeah not sure what Twitch was expecting when they added the IRL section,what's next banning someone because they're streaming outside and some random person might not be following the Twitch dress code?

I've been on Catholic schools in the 80s that were less bitchy about the damn dress code.

[Commodus]

2 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

Same goes for people that feel they're entitled that they have to coddled by a 10 year old friendly content everywhere rule, if you can't handle a certain streamer you're welcome to find someone else to watch.

That's not what these rules are about.  Twitch isn't asking streamers to be family-friendly.  It's saying "don't be a bigot, don't tolerate harassment of your viewers if you spot it, and definitely don't encourage harassment.  Oh, and don't treat Twitch like a porn cam site."

[ItsMitch]

5 hours ago, Misanthrope said:

I've been on Catholic schools in the 80s that were less bitchy about the damn dress code.

Last time I checked, Catholic schools didn't have advertisers breathing down their neck to control their IRL streamers. Oh, wait they didn't have both. If the IRL sluts wanna be sluts, they can leave to pornhub or what ever cam site they want. 

Edited March 7, 2018 by Windspeed36

[Misanthrope]

2 minutes ago, SC2Mitch said:

Last time I checked, Catholic schools didn't have advertisers breathing down their neck to control their IRL streamers. Oh, wait they didn't have both. If the IRL sluts wanna be sluts, they can fuck off to pornhub or what ever cam site they want. 

"If you don't dress how I say you should dress, I'm going to slut shame you and that's totally ok"

[ItsMitch]

1 minute ago, Misanthrope said:

"If you don't dress how I say you should dress, I'm going to slut shame you and that's totally ok"

If you dress like a slut, don't cry when you get called out for being a slut, simple. 

[Misanthrope]

15 minutes ago, SC2Mitch said:

If you dress like a slut, don't cry when you get called out for being a slut, simple. 

And surely there's a general consensus on both

 

1) What constitutes dressing as a slut

2) Why being a "slut" it's an inherently negative trait one should embrace whole-heartedly to appease some advertisers.

 

So can we get more specific? What Percentage of skin showing when wearing cleavage should be considered appropriate? What about shorts and skirts what percentage of leg skin makes you "dress like a slut"? What about shoulders is that too much? Sleeveless? Because you know some weird boys do love arms so obviously we must protect them from themselves by making everybody else but them address the issue right?

 

What about hairstyles? Some are inherently provocative so they shouldn't be allowed. Hair colors? Those can be viewed as objectionable and not in agreement with family values...I mean advertisement standards of course (Because we know advertisers would never go as low as to use sex for advertising right?)

 

It's unlikely to come up but lets also talk shoes: Did you know that again some boys find high heels incredibly provocative? At what height do they become not ok? Should we determine a maximum heel height? I think we outta.

 

Now flashy colors on the clothing items themselves. That can be problematic as well as we know some colors are again, intentionally provocative and not in accordance with family values.

 

Now not to revisit the issue but we went over skirts and shoes far too quickly without touching on a crucial subject: socks. Some boys do like them calfs sadly, so again it is the duty of the girls to cover this area with socks that go up to at least up to just below the knee.

 

You know what? We should just institute Twitch uniforms you know, just so we can be absolutely certain we are completely advertiser friendly. Of course it wouldn't end there: You should not use the uniform inappropriately so you must tuck in the blouse or shirt, you should make sure you shine your shoes and starch your neck on your shirt. No dirty clothes either and while maybe not officially in the rules teachers Twitch community managers might strongly suggest people iron their official twitch uniforms nicely so everybody is very presentable and respectable about their appearance.

 

Spoiler

You really thought I was kidding about Catholic schools don't you?

 

[Doobeedoo]

Well, like it or not it's true that once IRL channel came to be all kind of cancer emerged. Twitch reacts more to majority voices cause they want to avoid bad press. They want to mitigate certain picture that may reresent Twitch tho. 

[Blademaster91]

19 minutes ago, Commodus said:

That's not what these rules are about.  Twitch isn't asking streamers to be family-friendly.  It's saying "don't be a bigot, don't tolerate harassment of your viewers if you spot it, and definitely don't encourage harassment.  Oh, and don't treat Twitch like a porn cam site."

Well I mean the Twitch chat bots and mods banned people for all of that before, all these rules do is place more blame on the streamer when they can't directly control what their chat is doing,especially offline or off of Twitch.

[Commodus]

1 minute ago, Blademaster91 said:

Well I mean the Twitch chat bots and mods banned people for all of that before, all these rules do is place more blame on the streamer when they can't directly control what their chat is doing,especially offline or off of Twitch.

It's not quite that bad  -- from what I've seen, it's more that Twitch doesn't want streamers who knowingly turn a blind eye to horrible behavior on Twitch, or conduct themselves in a way that leads to harassment of Twitch users (whether or not that harassment takes place on Twitch).  You should be fine if you simply missed some egregious behavior in your stream chat; it's a problem if your chat develops a reputation for hate and harassment and you do nothing to stop it.

[TacoSenpai]

Cool more reason to keep ignoring and not giving Twitch the time of day

[HarryNyquist]

4 minutes ago, Commodus said:

It's not quite that bad  -- from what I've seen, it's more that Twitch doesn't want streamers who knowingly turn a blind eye to horrible behavior on Twitch, or conduct themselves in a way that leads to harassment of Twitch users (whether or not that harassment takes place on Twitch).  You should be fine if you simply missed some egregious behavior in your stream chat; it's a problem if your chat develops a reputation for hate and harassment and you do nothing to stop it.

That's the problem: the language is too vague, and implies enforcement & action based on admin/moderator discretion, not on a concrete set of rules.

 

And, as others have said, the most toxic chats and communities on twitch are the moneymakers; the people causing the problems will never be banned.

[silberdrachi]

Its really weird to me that a bunch of people are defending the idea of being a dick to people in this thread.

 

Its something that has always been a total shit show on youtube and twitch, and companies are starting to take steps to try and make it less of a plague and people flip out. Yeah their language in the rules sucks, and some of it is pretty damn stupid, but at least they are trying something. And trying to say that they are turning it into a safe space where you cant insult streamers is just.... really really fucked up in my opinion.

 

Yeah theres a lot of double standards bullshit, and calling Twitch on that is great. But dont use that as a justification to hate on all the rules that they are trying to use to clean up the cesspool of a chat. How about if you dont like a streamer you stop watching their stream? And if you dont like twitch and their hypocritical practices you just dont go to their site?

 

They cant fix all the problems in one day, but at least they are attempting to take steps.

[TidaLWaveZ]

13 minutes ago, silberdrachi said:

Its really weird to me that a bunch of people are defending the idea of being a dick to people in this thread.

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quotes?

[Commodus]

17 minutes ago, HarryNyquist said:

That's the problem: the language is too vague, and implies enforcement & action based on admin/moderator discretion, not on a concrete set of rules.

 

And, as others have said, the most toxic chats and communities on twitch are the moneymakers; the people causing the problems will never be banned.

I'd rather the language be vague than not be present at all, I'd say.  It's safe to say that Twitch should have the authority to take action against streamers who clearly let their chats become cesspools, or who actively instigate vile actions.

 

There is the question of how consistently Twitch will enforce this, but I'd rather we at least try this out instead of throwing our hands up because Twitch might overlook some streamers' behavior.

[Commodus]

8 minutes ago, TidaLWaveZ said:

quote?

Do they really need to offer a quote?  It's those people railing against the eeeeeevils of "SJWs" and "white knights" (read: people who actually give a damn about cultural groups beyond their own).  Like it's a terrible affront to civilization that Twitch would want to make people feel welcome regardless of their gender, ethnicity or sexuality.

[TidaLWaveZ]

8 minutes ago, Commodus said:

Do they really need to offer a quote?  It's those people railing against the eeeeeevils of "SJWs" and "white knights" (read: people who actually give a damn about cultural groups beyond their own).  Like it's a terrible affront to civilization that Twitch would want to make people feel welcome.

I'm talking about this thread as was the comment I responded to.

 

"a bunch of people are defending the idea of being a dick to people in this thread"

 

I see maybe one example at best and even that example is hardly someone championing for someone to be a dick to someone for no reason.

 

 

 

[Mihle]

19 minutes ago, Commodus said:

I'd rather the language be vague than not be present at all, I'd say.  It's safe to say that Twitch should have the authority to take action against streamers who clearly let their chats become cesspools, or who actively instigate vile actions.

 

There is the question of how consistently Twitch will enforce this, but I'd rather we at least try this out instead of throwing our hands up because Twitch might overlook some streamers' behavior.

I agree.

We can rather blame them if they over use it or use it wrongly later.

[NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle]

Ah the snow flakes have conquered another territory.

To sum up the rules. If you are a small time nobody and you don't make Twitch money, then you will be banned if you say or do anything that pisses them off, hey they'll probably ban you because they can.

If you're a big shot that makes Twitch money, then you won't be banned regardless of what you say or do. And if by any chance you do get banned, it won't be for long.

[apm]

1 hour ago, NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle said:

Ah the snow flakes have conquered another territory.

To sum up the rules. If you are a small time nobody and you don't make Twitch money, then you will be banned if you say or do anything that pisses them off, hey they'll probably ban you because they can.

If you're a big shot that makes Twitch money, then you won't be banned regardless of what you say or do. And if by any chance you do get banned, it won't be for long.

that has been going on for years tho. 

twitch always had a double standard.

bigger streamers doxxed a racist tipper, got a 48h ban, russian streamer streams movies, nothing happens. 

unpopular bigger streamer won the recent pubg streamer tournament and as soon as it was clear that he won twitches and pubg's twitter stops mentioning the tournament at all. they pretty much live tweeted it before that.

some gaming news site reported that streamer 1 had the most viewers ever for an individual streamer, twitch contacted the site to alter the article to say streamer 2.

streamer 2 actually had 10k less peak viewers than streamer 1, but he wasnt very liked by twitch cuz how he runs and act on his stream.

[ivan134]

Hilarious. All these jimmies getting rustled because a private institution has rules. What's stopping you SJWs from creating your own safe space where you can be as racist and sexist as you want?

[TacoSenpai]

I'm going to create a twitch stream of nothing but paint drying on a wall which makes everyone question their existence. 

[Blademaster91]

4 hours ago, Commodus said:

It's not quite that bad  -- from what I've seen, it's more that Twitch doesn't want streamers who knowingly turn a blind eye to horrible behavior on Twitch, or conduct themselves in a way that leads to harassment of Twitch users (whether or not that harassment takes place on Twitch).  You should be fine if you simply missed some egregious behavior in your stream chat; it's a problem if your chat develops a reputation for hate and harassment and you do nothing to stop it.

Yeah there are a few streamers that are just dicks and don't care about their chat,though they aren't nearly as popular as people that care.

I'm actually more concerned about how vague the new rules are and how Twitch is going to implement them,and if they choose to use double standards with popular streamers.