Folding Community Board

[justpoet]

7 hours ago, Bob__ said:

Alr thanks

CPU folding is generally significantly less than GPU folding for similar tiers of CPU/GPU card.

I run an AMD 5700G as CPU only folding for the majority of my folding time (the integrated GPU is so ancient in architecture that it is less efficient than CPU folding).

 

The kind of project work (which Work Units) you get can also dramatically impact your point totals.

With that said, I average about 300k PPD (points per day), but sometimes it is down around 200k, and occasionally will spike up to 500k or so on rare occasions with test work units that occasionally come out.  The Lars DB says I should hit 450kPPD, but I believe it calculates that based on the top "per core with hyperthreading enabled" core count x the average ppd/core that has been reported.  Even OC'd I can't reach that 450k PPD count, but I also skew that number higher, since I specifically run only the thread count that keeps things 1 per physical core, to get a higher "per core" count (in fact, I usually see either no change, or a slight decrease, when I double the thread count to make use of all of the CPU's threads).

 

OC's generally don't help a lot for folding.

 

As for the high point totals you're seeing for individuals here, many of your top folks around here run multiple rigs with multiple high end graphics cards.  To help put points in perspective though, a single 4090 GPU can output averages in the realm of 24 million PPD with the right work units.

 

Here's the relevant page for you for comparisons, though there aren't a ton of entries for it yet:

https://folding.lar.systems/cpu_ppd/brands/intel/folding_profile/13th_gen_intelr_coretm_i5-13600k

 

I would, however, note that the i9 on average is showing the same PPD as the i5, so it is probably highly important how much you're getting on the performance cores (and thus how much else you're NOT doing most of the time).  If my assumption above about how the DB is doing the calculation is correct, it may also be why the i5/i9 are seen as the same, since the higher efficiency core count on the i9 drops the "average" PPD/core that it calculates based on.  Linux is also far more efficient in general for folding, so again, don't say "I should get this number" and expect it to be exact, as there are a LOT of factors.

 

So, I'd say your 500k is pretty reasonable for an average Windows install of CPU folding based on what I see in the DB, despite the DB saying you may see 942k PPD.

[justpoet]

@LAR_Systems Can you comment on my hypothesis above on how your calculations are done regarding full CPU vs "per logical core"?

[Bob__]

34 minutes ago, justpoet said:

CPU folding is generally significantly less than GPU folding for similar tiers of CPU/GPU card.

I run an AMD 5700G as CPU only folding for the majority of my folding time (the integrated GPU is so ancient in architecture that it is less efficient than CPU folding).

 

The kind of project work (which Work Units) you get can also dramatically impact your point totals.

With that said, I average about 300k PPD (points per day), but sometimes it is down around 200k, and occasionally will spike up to 500k or so on rare occasions with test work units that occasionally come out.  The Lars DB says I should hit 450kPPD, but I believe it calculates that based on the top "per core with hyperthreading enabled" core count x the average ppd/core that has been reported.  Even OC'd I can't reach that 450k PPD count, but I also skew that number higher, since I specifically run only the thread count that keeps things 1 per physical core, to get a higher "per core" count (in fact, I usually see either no change, or a slight decrease, when I double the thread count to make use of all of the CPU's threads).

 

OC's generally don't help a lot for folding.

 

As for the high point totals you're seeing for individuals here, many of your top folks around here run multiple rigs with multiple high end graphics cards.  To help put points in perspective though, a single 4090 GPU can output averages in the realm of 24 million PPD with the right work units.

 

Here's the relevant page for you for comparisons, though there aren't a ton of entries for it yet:

https://folding.lar.systems/cpu_ppd/brands/intel/folding_profile/13th_gen_intelr_coretm_i5-13600k

 

I would, however, note that the i9 on average is showing the same PPD as the i5, so it is probably highly important how much you're getting on the performance cores (and thus how much else you're NOT doing most of the time).  If my assumption above about how the DB is doing the calculation is correct, it may also be why the i5/i9 are seen as the same, since the higher efficiency core count on the i9 drops the "average" PPD/core that it calculates based on.  Linux is also far more efficient in general for folding, so again, don't say "I should get this number" and expect it to be exact, as there are a LOT of factors.

 

So, I'd say your 500k is pretty reasonable for an average Windows install of CPU folding based on what I see in the DB, despite the DB saying you may see 942k PPD.

It shows that I should get 200-100K (because I am mining on the side) and I'm really getting like 55K https://stats.foldingathome.org/donor/name/Bob__

Also this even though it was running the whole time the downtime in the middle is kind of concerning to me because when I finally got home from school I found it doing like 500 PPD not 500K, 500 and saying it was going to take 14 days to complete a work unit I restarted it but is this normal?

[Mxyzptlk]

2 hours ago, Bob__ said:

It shows that I should get 200-100K (because I am mining on the side) and I'm really getting like 55K https://stats.foldingathome.org/donor/name/Bob__

Also this even though it was running the whole time the downtime in the middle is kind of concerning to me because when I finally got home from school I found it doing like 500 PPD not 500K, 500 and saying it was going to take 14 days to complete a work unit I restarted it but is this normal?

You don't have the QRB Bonus, that's why your PPD is lower. 

 

https://apps.foldingathome.org/bonus

 

You have 6 completed WU and 3 failed. Do you know if they failed because of expired time?

 

What are the qualifications for the QRB?

The bonus is applied for users who use a passkey, have successfully returned at least 10 bonus-eligible WUs, have successfully returned 80% or more of assigned WUs, and returned the unit before its Timeout (formerly Preferred Deadline). Bonus points do not apply to partial returns.

[Bob__]

Just now, Mxyzptlk said:

You have 6 completed WU and 3 failed. Do you know if they failed because of expired time?

 

probably not that takes like 2 weeks right

 

[Bob__]

5 minutes ago, Bob__ said:

probably not that takes like 2 weeks right

 

I just started like a day ago

 

Also on a completely unrelated topic do you know if ASIC's for crypto work for folding@home

[Lightwreather]

2 hours ago, Bob__ said:

Also on a completely unrelated topic do you know if ASIC's for crypto work for folding@home

I sincerely doubt, protein simulation is quite a different beast from hash calculations. ASICs are meant for one and only one purpose, it's why they're called ASICs (Application Specific Integrated Circuit.) 

[Bob__]

5 hours ago, Lightwreather JfromN said:

I sincerely doubt, protein simulation is quite a different beast from hash calculations. ASICs are meant for one and only one purpose, it's why they're called ASICs (Application Specific Integrated Circuit.) 

Alr thanks

[Bob__]

Shit it did it again where it goes down to like 1450 at night can someone please explain wtf is happening

[Bob__]

8 hours ago, Mxyzptlk said:

You have 6 completed WU and 3 failed.

how can you see this?

[GOTSpectrum]

2 minutes ago, Bob__ said:

how can you see this?

If you are Overclocked, I would suggest turning it down, if you are failing WUs there's a good chance that is why 

[Bob__]

1 minute ago, GOTSpectrum said:

If you are Overclocked, I would suggest turning it down, if you are failing WUs there's a good chance that is why 

I know my OC is stable and I have tested it for days on end looking for errors

How can you see how many have failed

[BondiBlue]

31 minutes ago, Bob__ said:

I know my OC is stable and I have tested it for days on end looking for errors

Running F@h on anything that is overclocked is not always guaranteed to go well, even if it's stable for other tasks. I've run into this myself with GPUs. Overclocks that hold up perfectly fine for everything else still occasionally cause F@h to fail. 

[Bob__]

17 minutes ago, BondiBlue said:

Running F@h on anything that is overclocked is not always guaranteed to go well, even if it's stable for other tasks. I've run into this myself with GPUs. Overclocks that hold up perfectly fine for everything else still occasionally cause F@h to fail. 

what would a reasonable OC for F@H, I can make a new OC profile but how much should it be OC'ed. Like + 300 MHZ or what. I can send you my current OC whenever I get home (Im at school)

[Kilrah]

Try it, but usually it's best to not have any. More efficient too. 

[Bob__]

6 minutes ago, Kilrah said:

Try it, but usually it's best to not have any. More efficient too. 

ill change it when I get home. And how can I tell if it is failing. How did that other person find how many failed. Also is there a way to remotely see the F@H client

[BondiBlue]

15 minutes ago, Bob__ said:

what would a reasonable OC for F@H, I can make a new OC profile but how much should it be OC'ed. Like + 300 MHZ or what. I can send you my current OC whenever I get home (Im at school)

You're talking about CPU OC, correct? I personally wouldn't bother with a CPU OC for folding on a CPU. 

 

I do occasionally run slight overclocks on my GPUs for folding, but I try to stay on the mild side. 

[Bob__]

52 minutes ago, BondiBlue said:

You're talking about CPU OC, correct? I personally wouldn't bother with a CPU OC for folding on a CPU. 

 

I do occasionally run slight overclocks on my GPUs for folding, but I try to stay on the mild side. 

what about the rest of the question?

[BondiBlue]

36 minutes ago, Bob__ said:

what about the rest of the question?

I'm not sure what you're referring to. This is the question I responded to:

1 hour ago, Bob__ said:

what would a reasonable OC for F@H, I can make a new OC profile but how much should it be OC'ed. Like + 300 MHZ or what.

 

[Bob__]

7 minutes ago, BondiBlue said:

I'm not sure what you're referring to. This is the question I responded to:

 

this part: And how can I tell if it is failing. How did that other person find how many failed. Also is there a way to remotely see the F@H client

[Gorgon]

On 4/27/2023 at 12:30 PM, Bob__ said:

I understand that but like how many should I be getting I have a i5-13600K that's heavily OC'ed

 

5 hours ago, Bob__ said:

how can you see this?

 

5 hours ago, Bob__ said:

I know my OC is stable and I have tested it for days on end looking for errors

How can you see how many have failed

 

5 hours ago, Bob__ said:

what would a reasonable OC for F@H, I can make a new OC profile but how much should it be OC'ed. Like + 300 MHZ or what. I can send you my current OC whenever I get home (Im at school)

 

4 hours ago, Bob__ said:

ill change it when I get home. And how can I tell if it is failing. How did that other person find how many failed. Also is there a way to remotely see the F@H client

 

3 hours ago, Bob__ said:

this part: And how can I tell if it is failing. How did that other person find how many failed. Also is there a way to remotely see the F@H client

You can tell how many Work Units (WUs) are failing by looking in the logs for errors. Open the Advanced Control from the TaskBar and look in the "Log" tab.

 

In general an overclock be it on a CPU or GPU that works for gaming or Mining will inevitably fail on Folding at some point so most of us who Fold either just run a very small overclock or none at all.

 

Any benefit of an overclock quickly gets negated when you have a WU fail after 4 or five hours.

 

For remote access to the folding systems see the Remote Access link in my Signature. If you are talking about remote access from out on the Internet to a Folding system at home then that is usually a bad idea without using a VPN.

 

If you want to get better data on your performance then consider installing Harlams Folding Monitor aka Hfm.net which will give you lots of data to look at.

[Bob__]

31 minutes ago, Gorgon said:

 

 

 

 

 

You can tell how many Work Units (WUs) are failing by looking in the logs for errors. Open the Advanced Control from the TaskBar and look in the "Log" tab.

 

In general an overclock be it on a CPU or GPU that works for gaming or Mining will inevitably fail on Folding at some point so most of us who Fold either just run a very small overclock or none at all.

 

Any benefit of an overclock quickly gets negated when you have a WU fail after 4 or five hours.

 

For remote access to the folding systems see the Remote Access link in my Signature. If you are talking about remote access from out on the Internet to a Folding system at home then that is usually a bad idea without using a VPN.

 

If you want to get better data on your performance then consider installing Harlams Folding Monitor aka Hfm.net which will give you lots of data to look at.

alr thanks this is what I was looking for

[Bob__]

OK I have accepted this is hard af so before I was able to get the FahCore_a8.exe to 100% usage but now when I run it it is just around high 30'. I attempted to increase it by increasing the priority but still nothing happened sorry for the questions but I just want this thing to work

 

[justpoet]

1 hour ago, Bob__ said:

OK I have accepted this is hard af so before I was able to get the FahCore_a8.exe to 100% usage but now when I run it it is just around high 30'. I attempted to increase it by increasing the priority but still nothing happened sorry for the questions but I just want this thing to work

 

The best advice I can give is to not overthink it, as just being a part is good.  For CPU folding, just start up the client, put in your team and code, optionally set a type of research you want to prioritize (I go for Cancer), and let it run as it set itself up to do.  If you see a bunch of failures, remove the OC and see if that fixes it.  If not, try the same thing with RAM.  Sometimes it'll run higher % than others, depending on what kind of setup or protein folding it is doing at that moment.

[Mxyzptlk]

13 hours ago, Bob__ said:

what would a reasonable OC for F@H, I can make a new OC profile but how much should it be OC'ed. Like + 300 MHZ or what. I can send you my current OC whenever I get home (Im at school)

The best OC for F@H is no OC.

 

You can see at the link that I provided before which is this one: https://apps.foldingathome.org/bonus

 

Just put your use name in and it will tell you. 

 

WUs Finished	WUs Expired	% Finished	Bonus Active
9	5	64.29%	False

 

You completed 3 more and failed 2 more. That is not a good sign and bad for F@H.