NVIDIA could price the next-gen GeForce GTX 2080 at up to $1499 USD

[AnonymousGuy]

1 minute ago, mynameisjuan said:

First is bullshit they can stop it. What? You expect them to pull factories out their ass when new factories are currently being setup for the next gen? You realize that cost money right? They would lose millions for literally a temp fix. 

 

You're looking at this as a supply problem that needs to be fixed to meet demand.  I look at it as a supply management problem.  Nvidia can easily enforce controls on their supply chain that makes sure these things don't go to miners, but clearly they don't bother.

[Brooksie359]

5 hours ago, kilgore_T said:

it might not be "news" but selling a brand new faster card for less than the older slower card doesn't seem like good business sense

You guys are talking like they haven't done exactly that in the past. They usually sell a better performing card for cheaper every new generation. Am I missing something here that would indicate that they won't be doing the same thing they have always done this time?

[mynameisjuan]

4 minutes ago, AnonymousGuy said:

You're looking at this as a supply problem that needs to be fixed to meet demand.  I look at it as a supply management problem.  Nvidia can easily enforce controls on their supply chain that makes sure these things don't go to miners, but clearly they don't bother.

How would they ever know if it goes to a miner? They cant...same way you cant prove a card was being mined with. 

[TheDankKoosh]

Good thing I only use laptops, otherwise this would really affect me. At this point I'm going to wait for a 8750h + 2070 laptop to go on sale for $1400 range like current 1070 laptops have been and then pick one up. Hopefully I can get a good deal on a GT73VR refresh.

[Mira Yurizaki]

55 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

You guys are talking like they haven't done exactly that in the past. They usually sell a better performing card for cheaper every new generation. Am I missing something here that would indicate that they won't be doing the same thing they have always done this time?

If you take inflation into account, then yes, it has been cheaper over time.

 

But if you don't inflation into account, then no. The launch flagship has been steadily getting more expensive over time. But it's also largely due to who was first in the "next generation."

 

14 minutes ago, TheDankKoosh said:

Good thing I only use laptops, otherwise this would really affect me. At this point I'm going to wait for a 8750h + 2070 laptop to go on sale for $1400 range like current 1070 laptops have been and then pick one up. Hopefully I can get a good deal on a GT73VR refresh.

These prices only affect the DIY market. You can still get prebuilt desktops from OEMs for the same price as before.

 

If you need a new system now and don't want to pay inflated prices, swallow your pride and buy a prebuilt system.

[TheDankKoosh]

2 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

If you take inflation into account, then yes, it has been cheaper over time.

 

But if you don't inflation into account, then no. The launch flagship has been steadily getting more expensive over time. But it's also largely due to who was first in the "next generation."

 

These prices only affect the DIY market. You can still get prebuilt desktops from OEMs for the same price as before.

 

If you need a new system now and don't want to pay inflated prices, swallow your pride and buy a prebuilt system.

I believe that prebuilt systems are going to start seeing the same types of price raises purely due to the massive gpu shortage if the stock on prebuilt systems starts dwindling like gpus and ram have been. On the other hand since the gaming sff systems and gaming laptops have been a niche for a long time, I figure that those types of systems will stay that way due to the fact that the large majority of them are using integrated solutions that are always in stock for as long as the systems themselves are in stock.

[Trixanity]

2 hours ago, dizmo said:

I kind of doubt it. A retail store is less likely to take on the inventory if there's that much of an increased risk. Interesting thought though. Who knows. I'm glad I enjoy hunting for used bargains and am largely unaffected by this

Cards will be sold out if the demand is there so I don't think there's an actual risk in buying expensive stock. It only becomes a problem if they can't sell them for whatever reason (eg too expensive or sudden increase in availability lowering the market price).

 

I do seem to recall some people working retail saying they're not making more money off of the mining craze (or maybe I should clarify that they're not making larger profits per product) indicating they were purchasing cards at inflated prices and obviously passing on the bill to consumers while taking their usual meager profit margin. But I think it depends on the retailer. I think locally that stores play fair due to a combination of fierce competition and strong regulation but I think American stores like Newegg don't mind taking a bigger piece of the pie than they usually do.

 

Of course don't quote me on this. I may be mixing stuff up in my mind.

[Mira Yurizaki]

1 minute ago, TheDankKoosh said:

I believe that prebuilt systems are going to start seeing the same types of price raises purely due to the massive gpu shortage if the stock on prebuilt systems starts dwindling like gpus and ram have been. On the other hand since the gaming sff systems and gaming laptops have been a niche for a long time, I figure that those types of systems will stay that way due to the fact that the large majority of them are using integrated solutions that are always in stock for as long as the systems themselves are in stock.

OEMs have direct access to manufacturers and can place orders ahead of time. So unless manufacturers start charging more, OEMs aren't going to be affected.

 

There is no massive GPU shortage other than the stock DIYers have access to.

[TheDankKoosh]

Just now, M.Yurizaki said:

OEMs have direct access to manufacturers. So unless manufacturers start charging more, OEMs aren't going to be affected.

 

There is no massive GPU shortage other than the stock DIYers have access to.

I believe that manufacturers are going to start cutting off the supply lines of OEM machines altogether if they don't start selling out, if Nvidia or AMD feels like it they could just as easily start hoarding cards until they feel like re-releasing and them pump up MSRP by a couple hundred bucks. No one would be able to do anything, and they'd still sell out due to desperate people and miners.

[bcredeur97]

if cards make less than double but are more than double the price... miners aren't gonna buy them lol

 

ive seen plenty of 1080's for $580-620 recently.

[Energycore]

6 hours ago, Commodus said:

Rather than artificially hike the price, I suspect NVIDIA would rather keep the price the same and institute a strict "one card per person" rule, even if it means limiting where you can buy one.  I mean, that probably wouldn't stop some from coming back to the same store over and over, but at least you wouldn't have miners snapping up half of a small store's inventory in one shot.

That would hurt their bottom line though, so they won't do it

[TheDankKoosh]

2 minutes ago, bcredeur97 said:

if cards make less than double but are more than double the price... miners aren't gonna buy them lol

 

ive seen plenty of 1080's for $580-620 recently.

Never underestimate the stupidity of someone who thinks they have a successful get rich quick scheme, I'm sure plenty of miners were buying $800-900 1080's just because they thought it was essentially a quick cash grab.

[Selah]

Nvidia needs to do work to brick a card whenever it's used for mining. then release special edition mining cards so real gamers don't have to deal with artificial market bullshit.

[mynameisjuan]

1 minute ago, Selah said:

Nvidia needs to do work to brick a card whenever it's used for mining. then release special edition mining cards so real gamers don't have to deal with artificial market bullshit.

First, bricking a card is law suit territory. Second, they are supposedly working on blocking mining on the software side unless you have a subscription. Which is a good compromise. But depending on how much the subscription is, it might not even help. 

[Spongy141]

I highly doubt Nvidia will do this, they do not like the higher prices from mining. 

[Crunchy Dragon]

18 minutes ago, Selah said:

Nvidia needs to do work to brick a card whenever it's used for mining. then release special edition mining cards so real gamers don't have to deal with artificial market bullshit.

Special edition mining cards exist, miners don't use them since they can make extra money selling their mining cards to gamers. Also, Nvidia wouldn't be able to tell when a card is being used for mining unless they were spying on the user which is a serious breach of privacy.

[TheDankKoosh]

12 minutes ago, Spongy141 said:

I highly doubt Nvidia will do this, they do not like the higher prices from mining. 

They do, but they just don't tell the average consumer, Nvidia is rolling in profits right now due to them. It's just the fact that 90% of consumers don't like the inflated prices from mining, so Nvidia acts like they care to cater to the consumers so they can shift the blame from themselves.

[AresKrieger]

 

Also nvidia doesn't gain profit from the inflated prices, its 3rd party sellers that do, they gain profit from the volume of said sales

[Linus_torvalds]

Oh please nvidia do this! AMD will sell their GPUs 100$ above normal price and they will sell new GPUs in one day AMD can always sell GPUs less then nvidia if this is true. There is so big realm in price that is less then 1500$. I am curious why do they even try to release new architecture. Release the same thing they still will sell quickly. I would release as much GPUs as i can if i were nvidia or amd. Profit that they can get from miners is so big. They would need 10-15 years to get the same profit from gamers and professionals.

[Blademaster91]

4 hours ago, dizmo said:

The idea that cards will cost that much is assanine. Look at what Nvidia has the MSRP set at. It's still low. The prices are high because of retailers, not manufacturers. They will make more money keeping their same pricing structure, because they will move more volume. That's extremely basic economics. 

TL;DR - This is a huge load of BS.

If it is down to the retailers only then why did Nvidia make record profits which can be linked to crypto mining?

13 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

Special edition mining cards exist, miners don't use them since they can make extra money selling their mining cards to gamers. Also, Nvidia wouldn't be able to tell when a card is being used for mining unless they were spying on the user which is a serious breach of privacy.

The only way Nvidia can keep supply to the PC enthusiast market is make special mining cards and limit or detect mining at the GTX card driver level. Or gamers can stop buying used GPUs from the people admitting they mined on them. I wouldn't want a card that ran loaded 24/7 with dried thermal paste & pads and worn out fans.

2 minutes ago, TheDankKoosh said:

They do, but they just don't tell the average consumer, Nvidia is rolling in profits right now due to them. It's just the fact that 90% of consumers don't like the inflated prices from mining, so Nvidia acts like they care to cater to the consumers so they can shift the blame from themselves.

Example being Nvidia gives bullshit PR that they're "doing everything they can to help gamers" while yeah they're just going to follow maximum profit even though PC enthusiasts & gamers are their most loyal consumers.

[TheDankKoosh]

8 minutes ago, AresKrieger said:

 

Also nvidia doesn't gain profit from the inflated prices, its 3rd party sellers that do, they gain profit from the volume of said sales

That is why they love the "shortage", they love to sell as many cards as they can make, even if it means that they don't have any for all demographics that like to buy them, also they have been raising MSRP on their cards to make the extra profit.

[dizmo]

8 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

If it is down to the retailers only then why did Nvidia make record profits which can be linked to crypto mining?

Volume. Higher prices aren't the only way you make more money.

[Spongy141]

26 minutes ago, TheDankKoosh said:

They do, but they just don't tell the average consumer, Nvidia is rolling in profits right now due to them. It's just the fact that 90% of consumers don't like the inflated prices from mining, so Nvidia acts like they care to cater to the consumers so they can shift the blame from themselves.

You need to pay more attention to your economics class bud, the higher prices vastly decrease's the amount of volume being sold, so if before at $379 they could sell 200 units, now at $700 they can only sell 50 units, that paired with the already decreasing volume of sales of GPUs . Higher prices mean's fewer people can even afford the GPUs. It is basic economics. Wish people would stop being a conspisisy theorist and use logic for once.

[AresKrieger]

22 minutes ago, TheDankKoosh said:

also they have been raising MSRP on their cards to make the extra profit.

No, they did that due to ram prices being so high which was caused by phone manufacturers switching over using the same types of memory that they do

[Okjoek]

I'm glad with what's going on with the APU front because discrete graphics seems so expensive still.

 

I wonder if they could make a value oriented threadripper APU with like 6 CPU cores, an iGPU replacing 8 CPU cores and put built-in VRAM where the last two cores would go. Or something similar. The platform is expensive, but cutting out the HDMI royalties and the AIB middle-men would be a plus.