US Government will be intermittently jamming GPS near New Mexico until Feburary 24

[ScratchCat]

2 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

So many tin foil hats. 

 

So they’ll have to use a paper map or ask for directions, such an inconvenience. 

You overestimate the ability of some people to use the outdated "paper map" technology.

 

44 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

In 30 miles, turn right

Make a U-Turn

Recalculating

Turn left

Keep right

Turn around if possible

Recalculating

In 500 meters, take the exit on the left

Take the rotary, second exit

Recalculating

Recalculating

Recalculating

User: "Siri , find shops near me"

Siri: "I have between 0 and 4273 shops within 4-123 km from you"

[Brooksie359]

2 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

So many tin foil hats. 

 

So they’ll have to use a paper map or ask for directions, such an inconvenience. 

Albert Einstein said 2 things are infinite the universe and human stupidity and he is only certain about the latter. I think you give people way to much credit. When was last time you used a map? I have honestly never used one other than gps and I would say there are a lot of people who haven't as well making it difficult for people to adapt  I mean I could easily do it but I am sure there are those out there that aren't as capable.

[flibberdipper]

1 hour ago, rcmaehl said:

Here's an article reporting on it

 

"...the USAF is going to blackout GPS over the sprawling Nevada Test and Training Range to challenge aircrews and their weaponry under realistic fighting conditions."

 

And here's a bunch of Google News results

You're taking the gubberments word as 100% fact which is a retarded thing to do, especially considering it's the good ol' US.

[DrMacintosh]

Just now, Brooksie359 said:

Albert Einstein said 2 things are infinite the universe and human stupidity and he is only certain about the latter. I think you give people way to much credit. When was last time you used a map? I have honestly never used one other than gps and I would say there are a lot of people who haven't as well making it difficult for people to adapt  I mean I could easily do it but I am sure there are those out there that aren't as capable.

 

1 minute ago, ScratchCat said:

You overestimate the ability of some people to use the outdated "paper map" technology

If they can’t read a map I don’t want them on my roads. 

[DrMacintosh]

5 minutes ago, tmcclelland455 said:

You're taking the gubberments word as 100% fact which is a retarded thing to do, especially considering it's the good ol' US.

Well if you consider how big of a deal losing GPS navigation would be, and how powerful the United States military is ??.....

 

Then testing a large area that is being jammed makes a lot of sense. 

 

What else would be happening there? Aliens? Those Ruskies at it again? Korea? 

 

Like seriously come on. 

[Inkz]

When was this announced? I don't remember seeing it before and it seems like really short notice for the people who live there.

[Bananasplit_00]

3 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

 

If they can’t read a map I don’t want them on my roads. 

neither do i but there is no requirement to know what a map is to get a lisence as far as i am aware

[Inkz]

6 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

 

If they can’t read a map I don’t want them on my roads. 

 

2 minutes ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

neither do i but there is no requirement to know what a map is to get a lisence as far as i am aware

[mynameisjuan]

9 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

If they can’t read a map I don’t want them on my roads. 

Not sure why that matters as most probably cant read a map. Maps are unneeded most the time because signs are available anyway for major trips. 

[lewdicrous]

2 hours ago, hey_yo_ said:

I can see road accidents happening and people getting lost

cc: apple maps

[XenosTech]

24 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

So they’ll have to use a paper map or ask for directions, such an inconvenience. 

*pulls up to nearest cactus* "Hey bud you know where the nearest KFC is ?"

[Eduard the weeb]

Map Quest x100 use lol

[AshleyAshes]

1 hour ago, ScratchCat said:

You overestimate the ability of some people to use the outdated "paper map" technology.

 

User: "Siri , find shops near me"

Siri: "I have between 0 and 4273 shops within 4-123 km from you"

Hate to burst your bubble but the iPhone 8 and up can use the Galileo network instead.

 

Galileo on phones is spotty, depends largely on model and app. You can also buy dedicated handheld satellite navigation devices can support additional satelite networks other than the Navstar (GPS) network, including Galileo (EU's network), Glasnos (Russia's network), BeiDou (China's), NAVIC (India) or QZSS (Japan).  (The last three do not have global reach, only regional reach)

 

A lot of people mistakenly believe that the GPS network is the only one but it's not for one major shortcoming; It's entirely controlled by the United States.  That means that the United States can fuck with the system.  They can reduce it's accuracy of the system.  They can limit the system to only US Military devices.  They can shut the system down globally or by region.  They can could even have the system provide purposefully incorrect data.  So other nations have established their own satellite navigation systems that they themselves can have control over.

[flibberdipper]

2 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

Well if you consider how big of a deal losing GPS navigation would be, and how powerful the United States military is ??.....

 

Then testing a large area that is being jammed makes a lot of sense. 

 

What else would be happening there? Aliens? Those Ruskies at it again? Korea? 

 

Like seriously come on. 

I just like to tin-foil and see what people will say or if they'll take the bait and write me a 3 paragraph formatted essay on what I said. ? Though realistically, it probably does have something to do with ol' Kimmy since our leadership seems to be pretty dilhole-brained and seemingly wants to start a war, or at the very least get someone blasted off the planet (aka something that could cock up GPS).

[NumLock21]

4 hours ago, mynameisjuan said:

I guarantee this will result in a death. GPS is heavily relied on for emergency services and shutting it down temporarily can turn bad quick.

More like don't have a sense of direction. So in the old days, many died cause the emergency service don't have gps. Right....

[mynameisjuan]

3 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

More like don't have a sense of direction. So in the old days, many died cause the emergency service don't have gps. Right....

You do realize how much emergency services rely on GPS right? Before the early 2000s you were forced to learn maps or get lost. Now people rely on it to the point your phone goes into emergency mode for a set amount of time to give exact coordinates. Those coordinates are important in situations like kidnappings or if someone goes unconscious while calling 911. And I said 1 person, not many, dont put words in my mouth. 

 

 

[NumLock21]

1 minute ago, mynameisjuan said:

You do realize how much emergency services rely on GPS right? Before the early 2000s you were forced to learn maps or get lost. Now people rely on it to the point your phone goes into emergency mode for a set amount of time to give exact coordinates. Those coordinates are important in situations like kidnappings or if someone goes unconscious while calling 911. And I said 1 person, not many, dont put words in my mouth.

People relying on it to the point they become more stupid with their sense of direction. Can't be dependent on technology cause it will fail you.

[mynameisjuan]

1 minute ago, NumLock21 said:

People relying on it to the point they become more stupid with their sense of direction. Can't be dependent on technology cause it will fail you.

Im not arguing that point. Its what I am trying to say. 

[ARikozuM]

3 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

What else would be happening there? Aliens? Those Ruskies at it again? Korea? 

January 24th: US Gov’t announces that GPS will be unavailable 1/29-2/24.

January 29th: Google reports indicate that Putin has hacked the GPS system for Texas and other similarly sh#t states.

3 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

Like seriously come on. 

Hey, you asked!

[ScratchCat]

1 hour ago, AshleyAshes said:

Hate to burst your bubble but the iPhone 8 and up can use the Galileo network instead.

 

Galileo on phones is spotty, depends largely on model and app. You can also buy dedicated handheld satellite navigation devices can support additional satelite networks other than the Navstar (GPS) network, including Galileo (EU's network), Glasnos (Russia's network), BeiDou (China's), NAVIC (India) or QZSS (Japan).  (The last three do not have global reach, only regional reach)

 

A lot of people mistakenly believe that the GPS network is the only one but it's not for one major shortcoming; It's entirely controlled by the United States.  That means that the United States can fuck with the system.  They can reduce it's accuracy of the system.

Interesting, even the iPhone 6s has it onboard: http://www.usegalileo.eu/EN/inner.html#data=smartphone

(Autocorrect probably: GLONASS -> Glasnos)

 

I would expect the US military have allowed their GPS units to fall back on the alternative constellations so that in wartime even if GPS is disabled the enemy cannot take down the system of neutral countries with repercussions.

[AshleyAshes]

5 minutes ago, ScratchCat said:

Interesting, even the iPhone 6s has it onboard: http://www.usegalileo.eu/EN/inner.html#data=smartphone

(Autocorrect probably: GLONASS -> Glasnos)

 

I would expect the US military have allowed their GPS units to fall back on the alternative constellations so that in wartime even if GPS is disabled the enemy cannot take down the system of neutral countries with repercussions.

You also have to remember though that any of those systems can be JAMMED.  Any large military would have to be insane NOT to have systems to jam, disrupt, or even inject false data into satellite navigation signals to limit their enemy's operations in the battlefield.  ...Not to mention the possible usage of anti-satellite weaponry.

 

And this is probably why these tests are being done.  The US Military would basically have to be insane to assume 100% GPS reliability in real world combat, especially with another major power and then never train to operate under a hindered or offline GPS system.

[79wjd]

4 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

 

If they can’t read a map I don’t want them on my roads. 

Ah yes, this is what I want on the highways....

 

I can also think of quite a few intersections where a navigator is immensely useful -- namely knowing which lane to be in as you take an exit that has several exits itself with horrible signage.

[Guest]

Spoiler

 

[AresKrieger]

Not the first time they've done exercises like this, though I believe the last one involved a comms blackout instead of GPS, but I do not know if it affected civilian devices in any way.

[mynameisjuan]

3 minutes ago, AresKrieger said:

Not the first time they've done exercises like this, though I believe the last one involved a comms blackout instead of GPS, but I do not know if it affected civilian devices in any way.

Next test is cellular blackout then, which would kick off the apocalypse the moment the towers are knocked off.