Calls for Twitch to police 'sexual streaming'

[Memories4K]

Just now, Matu20 said:

This was my point, that there are too many rules set by society, some are completely unnecessary and overblown.

Right but this isn't like a discussion on society's rules.
We're talking about what Twitch does and does not allow on their own platform in regards to what constitutes sexual content that users like you and me would use.

Like if you want to talk about society, sure, idgaf what you wear in public. Go to Church wearing a hat with a giant foam penis mounted ontop of it, who cares.
People aren't going to like you for it, but legally why shouldn't you be able to?
In my case, i'm an American; Why as an American would i be prohibited from expressing myself in that way?

Well, why as a business would Twitch be prohibited from placing rules like "No nudity, drug-use, etc." on their own platform?
So, i understand the value of rules and respect the idea of a business having a goal that they want to achieve along an ecosystem that they should have the freedom to cultivate.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Memories4K said:

I was making a long-stand joke about Puritan-like values and their similarities to the modern meme of "Thot Patrol".

My point was just that tank-tops shouldn't be banned (my opinion) because they are regular articles of clothing that everyday people wear and this isn't middle school; tank tops can still be an attractive article of clothing though, especially on bustier women, and because of that tank tops are inappropriately sexualized.

Titty streamers are just girls with either big tits and/or push-up bras wearing tank-tops. That's it. That's what makes you a titty streamer, no nudity or any sexual content, just your titties being visibly present even if not shown. (Also, a lax requirement of being bad at video games)

Women twerking and showing off their breasts excessively for the intention of gaining money off twitch is what the article is on about. I don't have a problem with tank tops or large breasts at all. I also don't see how they make you bad at video games. I have very large breasts myself and I am quite good thank you.

[Tech_Dreamer]

problem starts when it's to lure in donations from the viewers ,  they just target vulnerable audience(young age group) with no intention on quality content based revenue. well technically depends on what you want. But aside from that can't please everyone on the flip-side, some over exaggerate due to personal vendetta or dislikes & some brush it off like it's nothing & it's just fun & some see it though the highly saturating SJW lens that they have, it's politics at the end of the day but everybody knows when it's intended drama & fun versus 'this is too much'.

[SansVarnic]

5 minutes ago, Memories4K said:

https://www.twitch.tv/p/legal/community-guidelines

Twitch prohibits nudity, pornographic content, overtly sexual behavior (motioning your hand in a jack-off manner or heavy petting), and the like.
I'm pretty sure they've taken a stance on it.
Maybe not specific, in the case of full rubber gimp suits (Which are NOT overtly sexual in a technical sense but certainly so in practice)

I think you mis-understand the few posts and the position I have taken. As I have pretty much made it clear were I stand here.

Telling me what Twitch's rules (of which I am already aware otherwise I would not comment before knowing) are is not helping here. Twitch may have rules on this but the way they are going about with enforcing it is the problem. As stated in the OP;

5 hours ago, SC2Mitch said:

Some go further and entertain fans by dancing or by doing a series of suggestive exercises, like squats, to tempt people to subscribe to their channel or to hand over Twitch's micro-currency - bits.

This is an issue, and as I have pointed out  Intention and Provocativeness is the what not being addressed. I can wear whatever I want but if something is worn intentionally in a manner to be provocative then yes it needs to be addressed as it is an obvious issue with a lot of people that are making noise about it. I don't watch twitch streams myself as I have no interest but I am aware of the issue and have seen some examples of it here and there and I agree it is an issue. I have see two different streamers of similar body types wear nearly identical outfits but it was quite obvious that how they were being worn was polar opposite for effect. Same as with the quote making moves, doing squats etc... 

 

Thing is what and how this is addressed is a task that needs to be done. Whether twitch uses a rating system or makes streamers mark their streams as adult would be nice. Myself for example I don't want to watch provocative shit while I am watching what I chose so I would like to know before opening a channel that this is going to be shown, better that don't have to expose myself to it to determine that it is that kinda of content.

 

Twitch needs a better way to let viewers that don't want to watch it have a better way to chose away from it. That is the point I have been making.

[Memories4K]

4 minutes ago, RorzNZ said:

Women twerking and showing off their breasts excessively for the intention of gaining money off twitch is what the article is on about. I don't have a problem with tank tops or large breasts at all. I also don't see how they make you bad at video games. I have very large breasts myself and I am quite good thank you.

What's wrong with twerking? I can't dance on Twitch now?
lmao what do you mean showing their breasts excessively? How are they doing that, but existing? lol you want them to wear a binder and a turtle-neck sweater?

It's not related, it's about the (very true) stereotype of titty streamers being bad at video games; it's not their clothing that makes them bad, it's just a common stereotype that keeps re-affirming itself.

[Teddy07]

I watched twitch daily for the past years but I am done with the site. I recently went back to the side and nearly instantly left again because they changed the website and I could not find my subscribed streams.

I switched to youtube videos and sometimes streams there. I don't regret my choice one bit because I have never seen booby youtube streams. I don't know if they exist but they are at least never recommended to me.

 

[flibberdipper]

Oh dear, women showin' off what their momma gave 'em on a site filled with other non-kid-friendly games like GTA V and PUBG... Not like they're showing off other bits so I mean really... the top bit of a pair o' boobs is now worse than killing virtual people?

[Guest]

Just now, Memories4K said:

What's wrong with twerking? I can't dance on Twitch now?
lmao what do you mean showing their breasts excessively? How are they doing that, but existing? lol you want them to wear a binder and a turtle-neck sweater?

It's not related, it's about the (very true) stereotype of titty streamers being bad at video games; it's not their clothing that makes them bad, it's just a common stereotype that keeps re-affirming itself.

Its not about showing cleavage or twerking really but straight up doing it for the purpouse of getting money. Twitch isn't a site for that. If you want to dance then thats fine. If you want to wear a nice top then thats ok. Good for you its your life, but if you do it illicitly for the purpouse of getting more money off viewers (and it is often most, if not all they do) then it is a big problem.

[descendency]

So twitch should be worried about clothed boobs over some of the other shit that happens on Twitch?

 

Go to a major eSports channel on the day of a big match and tell me the worst thing twitch has to worry about is cleavage.

[ItsMitch]

11 minutes ago, descendency said:

eSports

uh oh, it's esports and will always be esports, as our Lord and saviour Redeye says, no bullshit S. 

 

13 minutes ago, descendency said:

So twitch should be worried about clothed boobs over some of the other shit that happens on Twitch?

 

Twitch should be worried when people are asking for "tips" for snapchat adds which are most likely for nudes and or illicit needs. OR my best one, "Sub for 10 pushups" where they're showing wayy to much tits which border into creepy shit. 

[Memories4K]

2 minutes ago, SansVarnic said:

I think you mis-understand the few posts and the position I have taken. As I have pretty much made it clear were I stand here.

Telling me what Twitch's rules (of which I am already aware otherwise I would not comment before knowing) are is not helping here. Twitch may have rules on this but the way they are going about with enforcing it is the problem. As stated in the OP;

This is an issue, and as I have pointed out  Intention and Provocativeness is the what not being addressed. I can wear whatever I want but if something is worn intentionally in a manner to be provocative then yes it needs to be addressed as it is an obvious issue with a lot of people that are making noise about it. I don't watch twitch streams myself as I have no interest but I am aware of the issue and have seen some examples of it here and there and I agree it is an issue. I have see two different streamers of similar body types wear nearly identical outfits but it was quite obvious that how they were being worn was polar opposite for effect. Same as with the quote making moves, doing squats etc... 

Sorry, that was a reply to the comment you made on Twitch not taking a stand; i linked it because it showed that Twitch very much has made a stand.
I misunderstood, the real problem is enforcing those rules, you say.

Right but who cares about intention or "provocation"? Again, how would YOU intend to "fix" this?
What is the solution YOU would give?
Ban anybody that wears tank-tops?
Ban anybody who exercises or does strength-building exercises on stream?
Ban anybody who wears push-up bras?
Ban anybody who rests their arms lower than 45 degrees?

I'm not stupid, i know what you're trying to say and i know exactly what you're talking about; it's just that there is literally no way to come out looking like the good guy here. The "problem" here are people who are consenting and watching these streams of people who are following Twitch's guidelines to the letter by wearing regular articles of clothing that freaks actually think is sexual (because we all like to sexualize non-sexual things like glasses and doing squats, nothing wrong with sexualizing these things but take some personal responsibility for yourself).
If the problem is "doing it for the children" then stop being a bad parent and have a sit-down with your kids talking about sex and sexual health, as they're obviously interested in normie-tier trash that's similar to the level of sexual content in a Sears catalog.

 

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I have see two different streamers of similar body types wear nearly identical outfits but it was quite obvious that how they were being worn was polar opposite for effect.

So? Who cares? It's the same wardrobe. If they're not showing any nudity or have sex toys glued onto the pants then it's not a problem.
Would your solution be to relegate what streamers can and can't wear based on a trust system? (such as number of hours registered on Twitch)
"Ok, Marcy, you can take off the turtleneck for a band T-shirt but we better not catch you showing any elbows on stream"

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Whether twitch uses a rating system or makes streamers mark their streams as adult would be nice.

Maybe that's a solution but i wouldn't hold to that; titty streamers aren't cam girls and this just sounds like Twitch integrating cam girls.

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Myself for example I don't want to watch provocative shit while I am watching what I chose so I would like to know before opening a channel that this is going to be shown, better that don't have to expose myself to it to determine that it is that kinda of content.

Oh God forbid you accidentally open up a Twitch stream titled "Tina's Cooking Show-Thursday Edition" only to have an agent of Satan thrust her succubus-like EXPOSED shoulders and STERNUM on screen. I mean, what would her parents think? Wearing regular articles of clothing like that and doing regular things while wearing them in front of freaks that get turned on by her boiling a pot of pasta? or even worse, REACHING OUT HER ARM AND EXPOSING A LEWD ARMPIT to grab a wooden spoon on the top shelf.

Like i said, i'm not an idiot, i know what's going on here it's just that it's not actually sexual despite the intention. There's no nudity, sex, or anything of the kind. If the intention really mattered then we'd also be advocating for a LARGE number of ASMR streamers (Like "Cute ASMR maid Mondays") to get banned for that very same intention, despite the content itself not actually being sexual.

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Twitch needs a better way to let viewers that don't want to watch it have a better way to chose away from it. That is the point I have been making.

That's the thing though, this isn't scandalous at all.

That said, i get it; people are different.
Titty content creators on YouTube such as SexyCyborg (Some of you might know her since she's relevant in the tech-sphere) aren't super easy to find on Youtube.
Mostly because you're not presented with that type of content unless you have a history, the age filter still applies but i don't believe there's any filter on her videos because while she is very sexy the content is actually tech, not sex.
So the solution would be to either setup a different algorithm in Twitch so that people such as yourself and others are more tailored to, enforce an age-filter outside a streamer's choice, and/or start limiting the kinds of clothes that women specifically can wear or what activities women specifically can do.

[Brooksie359]

56 minutes ago, Memories4K said:

https://www.twitch.tv/p/legal/community-guidelines

Twitch prohibits nudity, pornographic content, overtly sexual behavior (motioning your hand in a jack-off manner or heavy petting), and the like.
I'm pretty sure they've taken a stance on it.
Maybe not specific, in the case of full rubber gimp suits (Which are NOT overtly sexual in a technical sense but certainly so in practice)

When talking about using another service you don't own (ex. LinusKekTips Forums) you have to abide by a set of rules enforced by that service.

You need language that isn't vague to be able to enforce it easily and make it clear what isn't and is allowed. Saying overtly sexual behavior is kinda vague and can be up to interpretation where to draw the line. On the one hand the language may be vague to make sure they can ban someone who trys to find a loophole in a more specific wording of terms of service but it also makes it hard for other to know where the line is drawn. If they want it to be easy for moderators to moderate and for twitch streams to know what they can and cannot do they need to be a bit more specific. I mean if they do start to moderate I do assume they will give streamers warnings about behavior that are against terms of service. 

[Nicnac]

3 hours ago, Jito463 said:

Why do people care if I wear pants or not?  Why shouldn't I walk around without anything covering my bottom half?  It's no different than showing your ear. _/s

 

Such a logical argument. 

I am really looking forward to the day where we can all leave clothing behind as a civilisation, just like those aliens are doing it.

[Memories4K]

1 minute ago, Brooksie359 said:

You need language that isn't vague to be able to enforce it easily and make it clear what isn't and is allowed. Saying overtly sexual behavior is kinda vague and can be up to interpretation where to draw the line. On the one hand the language may be vague to make sure they can ban someone who trys to find a loophole in a more specific wording of terms of service but it also makes it hard for other to know where the line is drawn. If they want it to be easy for moderators to moderate and for twitch streams to know what they can and cannot do they need to be a bit more specific. I mean if they do start to moderate I do assume they will give streamers warnings about behavior that are against terms of service. 

Ok, yeah that's fair, but there's nothing vague about pornography and nudity.

Overtly sexual behavior, i mean tell me what's overtly sexual about me doing squats or dead-lifting. Tell me what's overtly sexual about me wearing some normie shirt that i bought at Kohls last week and happens to show my collar bones that i wear in public. 

You're right though, absolutely right, the rules need to be properly addressed in a manner that leaves little to interpretation.
It's just that what do you care, really, if you're not watching these streams and there's not actually any sexual content in them? There's an argument to be made about constantly finding these streams recommend to you, but the content itself shouldn't be a problem if it's not causing you any problems and Twitch feels content as a business not to punish it.
In the end, this is Twitch's (Amazon) decision as a business but as a consumer, you have to ask yourself what your problem is with titty streamers on Twitch.

[Nicnac]

3 hours ago, Notional said:

Booby streamers are not a thing. They are gamer girls! For real! Don't believe me?

 

 

See..... oh... huh.

Any chance there's a director's cut edition out there?  

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Memories4K said:

Overtly sexual behavior, i mean tell me what's overtly sexual about me doing squats or dead-lifting. Tell me what's overtly sexual about me wearing some normie shirt that i bought at Kohls last week and happens to show my collar bones that i wear in public. 

 

Thats not fair. Nothing sexy has been bought at Kohls.

[Notional]

9 minutes ago, Nicnac said:

Any chance there's a director's cut edition out there?  

Not sure. But you can always tell they're serious gamergirls when the gaming screen is smaller than their boobs:

 

But remember: objectification of women is misogyny.

[ItsMitch]

Just now, Notional said:

Not sure. But you can always tell they're serious gamergirls when the gaming screen is smaller than their boobs:

 

But remember: objectification of women is misogyny.

isnt that idubbzz grill

and but you can still see the screen!!!

/s

[SansVarnic]

16 minutes ago, Memories4K said:

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Ok, well you are understanding my point then, you have blown it out of proportion with that last reply though. As it is there is no need for me to rebuttal so I will leave here.

[descendency]

53 minutes ago, SC2Mitch said:

Twitch should be worried when people are asking for "tips" for snapchat adds which are most likely for nudes and or illicit needs. OR my best one, "Sub for 10 pushups" where they're showing wayy to much tits which border into creepy shit. 

Because twitch has a good family friendly record when they watched 'is she trans' spammed at a girl that took a leave of absence because of suicidal ideations. Or the use of the 'TriHard' global emote in lieu of the N-word. Or the 'build a jail'/'build a wall' chant they do with any brown person emote they can. Or calling a female caster ugly because she doesn't wear a dress and have a typical 'feminine' haircut. 

 

You can literally go on for days with the blatant harassment and bigotry that twitch allows to go on during major events. Add to the fact that twitch shadow bans moderators that try to clean it up because they are muting too many people. The justification for this is 'to avoid worrying about a moderator account being hacked.' Which happens more often... mods being hacked or overtly ban worthy offenses in their chats?

 

Hell, most of those event chats have no mods. None. They don't even bother. 

 

Even in good communities, there are regular visitors with names like "BAN_ALL_N******_FROM_TWITCH'. The kind of shit you'd expect from YouTube comments, not twitch chat. 

 

'But the poor horny boys might spend a few dollars looking at tits' just seems silly. 

[Nicnac]

39 minutes ago, Notional said:

Not sure. But you can always tell they're serious gamergirls when the gaming screen is smaller than their boobs:

 

But remember: objectification of women is misogyny.

 Honestly boobs should have a separate screen in the top right as well...

[Notional]

Just now, Nicnac said:

 Honestly boobs should have a separate screen in the top right as well...

Yup, we need more boobs, because it makes you more gamer.

 

 

There we go. Much better now.

[Master Disaster]

6 hours ago, BuckGup said:

You are missing the point. Twitch wasn't made for girls to sell their bodies to kids. That's why Amazon doesn't want any part of it. 

Neither was the internet, it still happens.

 

FYI, Twitch has a strict 14 year old minimum for accounts with Mature streams being labelled as such and a warning box that must be clicked by the user.

 

Amazon wants no part of it? Sure, it really looks like they're scrambling to stop it. I'm sure they don't want the 50% of all subscriptions and 20% of all bits that these streams provide them. Amazon and Twitch are businesses and in business money talks.

 

As long as it's kept fully clothed no rules are being broken and there isn't really anything Amazon can do to stop it, nor do I think they really want to either. Tittie streams have been a thing on Twitch for a very long time.

[Hiya!]

I cant believe how people are defending this.

This is exactly why its hard to find a decent woman out there, this is why kids are starting to watch porn at what? 10? and you are okay with it?  " hey son do you watch porn? you are 10 but its okay just dont have sex or get anyone pregnant alright? wait till u are 18 " (yeah that'll work right? /s)

 

Twitch are for streaming games not a place for you to strip and hope someone would tip your butt.

Its just WRONG. plain and simple.

Those girls are belong to camgirl sites or titty bar and also people who defend them.

[Guest]

Or we just stop telling people what we can and can't do with their bodies? If you see something that violates Twitch's ToS then you report it and move on with your life.