Calls for Twitch to police 'sexual streaming'

[TimeOmnivore]

Just now, SC2Mitch said:

What? What kind of argument is that, that's just slapping a band-aid on a broken wrist, it won't fix the problem and just prolong it even further until more and more people complain, why Twitch allows softcore porn on their site is beyond me.

You're saying it's a problem - I'm saying it's not and it makes no sense for people to treat it like one.

[SansVarnic]

2 hours ago, Matu20 said:

Why do people care about this? Boobs are part of biology, showing them off is no different than showing your ear. Society has put so much unnecessary limits on natural things.

2 hours ago, frozeNNN said:

Yeah that's why little kids who just start going to school learn about boobs and other shit, right?

 

Makes me think of this.

Spoiler

 

[Doobeedoo]

First such lage company like Twitch won't care if large portion is such which brings them money anyway so. Reasons they have many categories outside od gaming now. Specially IRL section which can be cancerous.

They have skewed so called rulesets too. There are females who say male nipples should be banned cause female ones are. Just, cause... "equality" cause they don't understand why double standards can make sense for various things. That's just like one random example out of so many shit it happens on site. Many arguing shit on Twitch "drama channel" is like just out of spite as well. 

 

There will always be assholes, but there are streamers that are actual bad role models in various ways and also tend to be toxic at times and sensitive about so called "pokey" topics or questions. In short, some tend to show their true colors when questioned more or given simple critique all in polite manner. 

There are also people that simply don't know how to answer some simple questions. Like instantly getting offened and think others assume shit automatically. 

I remember watching one stream and one person in chat said "you don't have self worth", streamer replied saying "I mean what self worth even is..." continuing saying some random things about it while getting more triggered and chat so called lauging and spamming "???" too. 

TL;DR logic: "I will have sex anyway, may as well earn money doing so". 

That's just one thing I've came across where shitshow is about. 

 

There are also streamers who deliberately stream with less clothing as they can, even too tight and move with such obvious angles too while being passive aggressive and feeding of those that point that out. You can say they're objectifying them selves but instantly start flaming onece someone points it out. It can be so funny, specially when stream is just about such nonsense in circle entire time. 

Many female streamers also don't like such people for sole reason they put up a bad role model, bad image for female streamers and the site. They are embarrassed to say to someone "I stream on Twitch" cause, like they say, one you go to IRL section you see mostly female streamers and thumbnails which half of screen are boobs. So reasonable why everyone don't want to be associated like so.

 

Why those that put body as their priority for stream are mad at those that point that out is cause they want to justify their actions doing so. Cause all of a sudden everyone like Just Dance and doing squats, also wearing smaller more revealing to it's limits clothes cause as they say, they do so wear the same outside. 

 

Personally, I'm sure there would barely be such streamers if there's no money associated. I doubt many as such would do so. I mean, some even said so that do it for money like "sure, if they like what they see they can give me money". Many doing just gaming would, cause it's the primary focus and a hobby. 

So yeah, female streamers who's content is not focused solely on them but anything else are not happy how other female streamers shame their gender. 

Also there are other issues like certain streamers even getting parthership yet are so toxic and terrible etc. So talks about that and how Twitch doesn't regulate such things and all. 

 

I know Twitch doesn't want to get bad image and primarily care about revenue so they want to tackle certain streamers and rules carefully. Even if some things may not be quite appropriate but have major voacallity they may let it slide. 

[SansVarnic]

2 hours ago, Trik'Stari said:

Something something inappropriate and deplorable (christian parent excuse)

Something something objectification of women (feminist excuse)

 

Might be the only time in history those two factions line up.

2 hours ago, Nicnac said:

yea haha

 

(idk if you can say this but sometimes I feel it's unfair how easy it is for a good-looking girl to start their 'gaming' channel and make good money with it... but then again they might face other problems and that 'market' is getting saturated as well...)

I am a Christian Parent and I do not think this way.

Thing is that comment is more political profiling than truth, but I wont deny knowing some people like this. We as a culture (world wide) have allowed a minority position to control what we as a majority see in terms of right or wrong behavior. I blame the Puritans for this ... (puritans were the ones to start the trend that certain words are curse words or clothing style was unholy .. blah).

As for OT I do not deny that a lot of the "girls" do take advantage of pubescent boys and the gullible male adult by dressing certain ways on their channels of which this action I do not agree with. Woman can dress sexy to be sexy and other woman can dress sexy to be slutty but that all boils down to attitude and intention which are pretty obvious to see.

2 hours ago, silberdrachi said:

Its the oldest trick in the book to getting your way. "WONT SOMEONE THINK OF THE POOR CHILDREN!" (Or insert other abused party)

 

No one can vote against it because then you're a mad child hater, even if the idea is fucking stupid and doesnt even pass the slightest sniff test.

Yeah its a pretty lame tactic.

 

*edit to add;

Going back into history with how civilization and the "church" interact or change roles and such is how in a lot of ways how we act the way we do today. Its odd but interesting. A lot of the pc stuff that floats around today makes for even better more additional stuff we as a majority don't care about but yet have to put up with. My brain hurts sometimes with the unrealistic expectation of civilization we put on ourselves as a whole.

Edited December 10, 2017 by SansVarnic

[Derangel]

20 minutes ago, SC2Mitch said:

What? What kind of argument is that, that's just slapping a band-aid on a broken wrist, it won't fix the problem and just prolong it even further until more and more people complain, why Twitch allows softcore porn on their site is beyond me.

No one has ever explained why its a problem. And don't go the tired route of saying "but children". Its a lame excuse that holds no water.

[plsno]

I really don't care much about titty streamers. If they want to keep them then whatever.  I just think Twitch needs to come out and make a concise decision on them. By their own ToS many of these streamers should be suspended/banned because they're obviously overtly sexual in nature.

 

[SansVarnic]

Lol I guess I never gave my opinion for the OT...

Twitch need to make a definitive ruling on this.

They have moderators just like any site;

1. If a streamer is intentionally being provocative (in most cases 9/10 easy to pick out) then that channel needs shut down.
2. For the ones that are border line the channel can be placed under observation, reviewed and then shut down If found to be provocative.
3. People can report channels that they feel to be in violation of this.

For channels like when Linus changes his shirt mid-stream (except for Linus) need not be ruled provocative as its obviously is not. 

[Memories4K]

51 minutes ago, SansVarnic said:

I am a Christian Parent and I do not think this way.

Thing is that comment is more political profiling than truth, but I wont deny knowing some people like this. We as a culture (world wide) have allowed a minority position to control what we as a majority see in terms of right or wrong behavior. I blame the Puritans for this ... (puritans were the ones to start the trend that certain words are curse words or clothing style was unholy .. blah).

As for OT I do not deny that a lot of the "girls" do take advantage of pubescent boys and the gullible male adult by dressing certain ways on their channels of which this action I do not agree with. Woman can dress sexy to be sexy and other woman can dress sexy to be slutty but that all boils down to attitude and intention which are pretty obvious to see.

Yeah its a pretty lame tactic.

 

*edit to add;

Going back into history with how civilization and the "church" interact or change roles and such is how in a lot of ways how we act the way we do today. Its odd but interesting. A lot of the pc stuff that floats around today makes for even better more additional stuff we as a majority don't care about but yet have to put up with. My brain hurts sometimes with the unrealistic expectation of civilization we put on ourselves as a whole.

I'm not sure i'd equate a person dressing up a certain way as taking advantage of other people.
Twitch titty streamers aren't promising or selling nudes on Twitch for highest donations, to my knowledge, they just realize that the way they present themselves on stream will garner them the most attention and donations. It's the watcher/donator's choice to visit the stream and donate.
Whether it's dressing sexy to be sexy or slutty (not sure where the difference is between the two, i'd imagine the difference is arbitrary or extremely subjective), it doesn't make a difference if they're not actually selling/showing sex (live sex, nudity, sexual products such as toys) on Twitch.

46 minutes ago, Derangel said:

No one has ever explained why its a problem. And don't go the tired route of saying "but children". Its a lame excuse that holds no water.

The thing is, it's not even real sexual content, it's just titty streamers (women who show normal levels of cleavage that you'd see out in real life walking through a shopping mall)
There's nothing to protect children from unless you're out shaming people in real life for not wearing their Burka this morning.

[Jito463]

3 hours ago, Matu20 said:

Why do people care about this? Boobs are part of biology, showing them off is no different than showing your ear. Society has put so much unnecessary limits on natural things.

Why do people care if I wear pants or not?  Why shouldn't I walk around without anything covering my bottom half?  It's no different than showing your ear. _/s

 

Such a logical argument. 

[Notional]

Booby streamers are not a thing. They are gamer girls! For real! Don't believe me?

 

 

See..... oh... huh.

[SansVarnic]

11 minutes ago, Memories4K said:

I'm not sure i'd equate a person dressing up a certain way as taking advantage of other people.
Twitch titty streamers aren't promising or selling nudes on Twitch for highest donations, to my knowledge, they just realize that the way they present themselves on stream will garner them the most attention and donations. It's the watcher/donator's choice to visit the stream and donate.
Whether it's dressing sexy to be sexy or slutty (not sure where the difference is between the two, i'd imagine the difference is arbitrary or extremely subjective), it doesn't make a difference if they're not actually selling/showing sex (live sex, nudity, sexual products such as toys) on Twitch.

12 minutes ago, Memories4K said:

Woman can dress sexy to be sexy and other woman can dress sexy to be slutty

This was intended to be more example of situation.

 

This explains that position.

11 minutes ago, Memories4K said:

but that all boils down to attitude and intention which are pretty obvious to see.

The example can be of any number of factors that can be picked out pretty easily e.g. shelf bra with half her chest out versus a low cut shirt and normal bra. Talking lewd vs normal. There are many many more but then again there are details that ride the fence that would need to be re-viewed to best determine violating the rules. A lot of it is common sense but we live in culture now that views common sense as contentious territory.

[AlTech]

I swear. All of this political correctness Adpocalypse BS is investors and advertisers getting butthurt.

 

Nobody is being harmed by most of these types of things on YouTube or Twitch.

 

This is why we can't have nice things.

 

Edit:

Most of these issues being criticized on Twitch or YouTube is like the 1%. It's not 90%. It's not 50%. It's not 30%. It's the small minority less than 10%.

 

Here's an analogy, it's like the Government blocking access to establishments which sell medicinal drugs.

You could argue that there's the 1% who might abuse it and try to do bad things but 90% of people probably wouldn't

[suicidalfranco]

1 hour ago, Notional said:

Booby streamers are not a thing. They are gamer girls! For real! Don't believe me?

 

 

See..... oh... huh.

almost as good as chaturbate 

[Memories4K]

17 hours ago, Jito463 said:

Why do people care if I wear pants or not?  Why shouldn't I walk around without anything covering my bottom half?  It's no different than showing your ear. _/s

 

Such a logical argument. 

The ear thing is stupid because you definitely cover up the titties and there's never been a societal standard to cover the ears.
The pants thing you're trying to make him look stupid for is also stupid because titty streamers do wear shirts and are not at all topless.

17 hours ago, SansVarnic said:

This was intended to be more example of situation.

 

This explains that position.

The example can be of any number of factors that can be picked out pretty easily e.g. shelf bra with half her chest out versus a low cut shirt and normal bra. Talking lewd vs normal. There are many many more but then again there are details that ride the fence that would need to be re-viewed to best determine violating the rules. A lot of it is common sense but we live in culture now that views common sense as contentious territory.

Wew lad, your post makes it looks like i said what you're quoting in your post lmao, idk what you were responding to exactly

An example of what situation?
We're talking about a very specific situation here which is titty streamers on Twitch and what can/should be done about them, if anything.

It doesn't matter if my intention is to be "classy/sexy" or "slutty" on Twitch (which sounds more where this is coming from if the argument is lewd streamers should be punished despite wearing the same clothing non-lewd people wear in everyday life), if i'm wearing the exact same clothes; i don't feel intention matters here if neither intention leads to a different result (being that both would wear the same wardrobe)
Push-up bras for example, heavily used by titty streamers, also heavily used by regular people in real life.
It's not a gimp or rubber suit, it's just a bra; if Twitch were to say, ban push-up bras as a direct solution to fixing the "problem" of titty streamers, how would that make them look? How would they actually even enforce this? "No, Twitch, you see my titties are naturally this perky". There's no real solution that can be developed for titty streamers because titty streamers aren't really a problem.
Again, no nudity or actual sexual content shown.
Just a bunch of horny lads tuning into the stream to catch a sight of that normie-tier cleavage of some bronze-tier Mercy main with a cute face.

There's maybe an argument to be made about cam girls who use Twitch streaming to advertise themselves by playing video games as a more intimate way to engage with fans and playing as titty streamers. But then so what? No sexual content is on the streams even then, should we ban anybody involved in sex work from Twitch, even if they're not breaking any rules? They're wearing clothes, playing games, doing what any other streamer would do; except they're also known on another website that's not Twitch as a cam girl. (Not saying you're making this argument but i've been reading about this from other people who have said this is an issue and wanted to expand the conversation)

 

17 hours ago, Notional said:

Booby streamers are not a thing. They are gamer girls! For real! Don't believe me?

 

See..... oh... huh.

Oh no, cute girls wearing clothes.
How can i possibly not fap to this extremely lewd content, did you see that girl show her ankles on stream? Oh boy, somebody's loose
/s

[suicidalfranco]

I don't see where's the issue?

If twitch shuts them down the camgirl, i'd just be losing the entertainment of watching anons troll them. 4chan as become bland as f, twitch camgirl are the only ray of hope to still  laugh at anything that comes out of there

 

(well anything that isn't a rekt or ylyl thread)  

[samcool55]

Well, as someone that doesn't want to go down the rabbit hole, i think it's just an issue with the lack of a proper alternative. Like nobody cares if twitch is in your browser history, but if a sexcam website is in your browser history, it's a whole different story... Most of the stuff on twitch doesn't actually contain nudity or whatever but if those girls want to go to somewhere where they can do the exact same thing without worrying of being banned, the world of porn is their only alternative. It seems like there's no platform where these kinds of streamers are welcome without being pushed too far in either direction . It's either too restrictive or too nonrestrictive.

 

Or is that just me missing the point? O_o

[Guest]

5 hours ago, Matu20 said:

Why do people care about this? Boobs are part of biology, showing them off is no different than showing your ear. Society has put so much unnecessary limits on natural things.

Its all very fair to say that but at the end of the day its kids that will be able to watch this. Nowadays people are much younger when introduced to the internet. If it were my kid watching this and putting money to these women there would be a few concerns.

 

Adviertising will also crackdown on this. If they don't want to be associated with much lesser terms on Youtube then I'm sure they don't want to be associated with softcore pornography.

 

IMO saying "Boobs are part of biology, showing them off is no different than showing your ear." is pretty rediculous. From both a biological standpoint and a cultural one. At any rate we all know its just a money method by these twitch streamers.

[Memories4K]

2 minutes ago, RorzNZ said:

Its all very fair to say that but at the end of the day its kids that will be able to watch this. Nowadays people are much younger when introduced to the internet. If it were my kid watching this and putting money to these women there would be a few concerns.

 

Adviertising will also crackdown on this. If they don't want to be associated with much lesser terms on Youtube then I'm sure they don't want to be associated with softcore pornography.

 

IMO saying "Boobs are part of biology, showing them off is no different than showing your ear." is pretty rediculous. From both a biological standpoint and a cultural one. At any rate we all know its just a money method by these twitch streamers.

Oh no!
You mean your ugly kid has to ENDURE watching some no-name rando wearing a regular tank-top/blouse who's bad at video games?

>Softcore pornography
HEY EVERYBODY. HEY. MAKE SURE YOU DON'T SHOW YOUR SHOULDERS, ANKLES, CALVES, FOREARMS, OR STERNUM. IF YOU DO, WE'RE GONNA SEND TH0T_PATR0L ON YOUR ASS.

I don't know what kind of softcore porn you watch fam, but let me tell you pretty much all the softcore porn i've watched is filled with nudity and heavy kissing/petting; none of which these titty streamers are guilty of.

Seriously you guys, look at the clothes these titty streamers wear.
If you're not also going to hound Margaret who visits the Farmer's market in your local town in the same wardrobe, then i don't believe you actually "think of the children"; If you're not out there trying to get legislation passed to limit how much ankle a woman can show like some modern Puritan who can't handle a tank-top, then i ain't with it fam. Your problems are just women, that aren't flat-chested, being legally allowed to wear tank-tops in public.

[Brooksie359]

2 hours ago, SansVarnic said:

Lol I guess I never gave my opinion for the OT...

Twitch need to make a definitive ruling on this.

They have moderators just like any site;

1. If a streamer is intentionally being provocative (in most cases 9/10 easy to pick out) then that channel needs shut down.
2. For the ones that are border line the channel can be placed under observation, reviewed and then shut down If found to be provocative.
3. People can report channels that they feel to be in violation of this.

For channels like when Linus changes his shirt mid-stream (except for Linus) need not be ruled provocative as its obviously is not. 

Honestly I think that is the my main concern about this whole thing. It might end up like YouTube where people are getting flagged unjustly. I mean the problem is why do you draw the line on what is overly provocative and sexual? I mean I can almost guarantee that different people will have different places where they would draw the line. I just hope it doesn't end up being where all female streamers have to wear turtle neck sweaters to make sure they don't get flagged. 

[SansVarnic]

4 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

Honestly I think that is the my main concern about this whole thing. It might end up like YouTube where people are getting flagged unjustly. I mean the problem is why do you draw the line on what is overly provocative and sexual? I mean I can almost guarantee that different people will have different places where they would draw the line. I just hope it doesn't end up being where all female streamers have to wear turtle neck sweaters to make sure they don't get flagged. 

Yup, this why twitch needs to be definitive about this, make it clear what is acceptable and what not. Be open as to there being a fence and making available a moderating team.

Yeah this is going to be a difficult task but there is no black and white here, lots of grey.

Even with my previous posts there are obvious factors that play this out for an easy decision but there are plenty of factors that make for difficult decision as well. I can refer to my experience in moderating here but Ill let that sit as LTTF is not the same type of service as twitch but there are similarities. For example - Our CS is quite clear about certain things but we still have a grey area that when triggered is discussed amongst the team and a decision is made but not always to the satisfaction the everyone in forum. Twitch has that on their hands and so they need to decide where that line will drawn at.

[Matu20]

1 hour ago, Jito463 said:

Why do people care if I wear pants or not?  Why shouldn't I walk around without anything covering my bottom half?  It's no different than showing your ear. _/s

 

Such a logical argument. 

I wouldn't care, it's your body, do whatever the fuck you want with it.

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, Memories4K said:

Oh no!
You mean your ugly kid has to ENDURE watching some no-name rando wearing a regular tank-top/blouse who's bad at video games?

>Softcore pornography
HEY EVERYBODY. HEY. MAKE SURE YOU DON'T SHOW YOUR SHOULDERS, ANKLES, CALVES, FOREARMS, OR STERNUM. IF YOU DO, WE'RE GONNA SEND TH0T_PATR0L ON YOUR ASS.

I don't know what kind of softcore porn you watch fam, but let me tell you pretty much all the softcore porn i've watched is filled with nudity and heavy kissing/petting; none of which these titty streamers are guilty of.

Seriously you guys, look at the clothes these titty streamers wear.
If you're not also going to hound Margaret who visits the Farmer's market in your local town in the same wardrobe, then i don't believe you actually "think of the children"; If you're not out there trying to get legislation passed to limit how much ankle a woman can show like some modern Puritan who can't handle a tank-top, then i ain't with it fam. Your problems are just women, that aren't flat-chested, being legally allowed to wear tank-tops in public.

I don't think I said any of this.

[Memories4K]

2 minutes ago, SansVarnic said:

Yup, this why twitch needs to be definitive about this, make it clear what is acceptable and what not. Be open as to there being a fence and making available a moderating team.

Yeah this is going to be a difficult task but there is no black and white here, lots of grey.

Even with my previous posts there are obvious factors that play this out for an easy decision but there are plenty of factors that make for difficult decision as well. I can refer to my experience in moderating here but Ill let that sit as LTTF is not the same type of service as twitch but there are similarities. For example - Our CS is quite clear about certain things but we still have a grey area that when triggered is discussed amongst the team and a decision is made but not always to the satisfaction the everyone in forum. Twitch has that on their hands and so they need to decide where that line will drawn at.

https://www.twitch.tv/p/legal/community-guidelines

Twitch prohibits nudity, pornographic content, overtly sexual behavior (motioning your hand in a jack-off manner or heavy petting), and the like.
I'm pretty sure they've taken a stance on it.
Maybe not specific, in the case of full rubber gimp suits (Which are NOT overtly sexual in a technical sense but certainly so in practice)

1 minute ago, Matu20 said:

I wouldn't care, it's your body, do whatever the fuck you want with it.

When talking about using another service you don't own (ex. LinusKekTips Forums) you have to abide by a set of rules enforced by that service.

[Memories4K]

3 minutes ago, RorzNZ said:

I don't think I said any of this.

I was making a long-stand joke about Puritan-like values and their similarities to the modern meme of "Thot Patrol".

My point was just that tank-tops shouldn't be banned (my opinion) because they are regular articles of clothing that everyday people wear and this isn't middle school; tank tops can still be an attractive article of clothing though, especially on bustier women, and because of that tank tops are inappropriately sexualized.

Titty streamers are just girls with either big tits and/or push-up bras wearing tank-tops. That's it. That's what makes you a titty streamer, no nudity or any sexual content, just your titties being visibly present even if not shown. (Also, a lax requirement of being bad at video games)

[Matu20]

6 minutes ago, Memories4K said:

https://www.twitch.tv/p/legal/community-guidelines

Twitch prohibits nudity, pornographic content, overtly sexual behavior (motioning your hand in a jack-off manner or heavy petting), and the like.
I'm pretty sure they've taken a stance on it.
Maybe not specific, in the case of full rubber gimp suits (Which are NOT overtly sexual in a technical sense but certainly so in practice)

When talking about using another service you don't own (ex. LinusKekTips Forums) you have to abide by a set of rules enforced by that service.

This was my point, that there are too many rules set by society, some are completely unnecessary and overblown.