Calls for Twitch to police 'sexual streaming'

[Hiya!]

4 hours ago, Master Disaster said:

That argument won't work here.

 

The concept on networked computer communication was invented to allow the US military to communicate with soldiers during war. The TCP/IP network stack was invented for university computers to be easily able to share data with each other. HTTP was invented by a UK college student.

 

What something was invented to do has zero bearing on what it is now being used for.

So the concept of game streaming is to allow softcore porn too.

Alright.

[Master Disaster]

1 hour ago, Hiya! said:

So the concept of game streaming is to allow softcore porn too.

Alright.

No one is saying that at all, you're being as silly as EA with the pink Darth Vader nonsense.

 

The simple fact is very often things get designed to do one thing then later in life get used for other things they were not intended for.

 

While we're on the subject, I suppose you're fine with your game streaming platform streaming food, art, design or engineering. IRL streams probably fine too right but girlie streams, nope? Twitch has been moving away from a pure game stream platform for a long time.

 

Double standards are everywhere these days.

[HarryNyquist]

25 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

While we're on the subject, I suppose you're fine with your game streaming platform streaming food, art, design or engineering. IRL streams probably fine too right but girlie streams, nope? Twitch has been moving away from a pure game stream platform for a long time.

I would object to any of those things being done, while purposefully thrusting one's bust and cleavage toward a strategically angled camera.

 

I don't give two craps about women streaming. I don't give two craps about non-gaming content. I start having an issue when 3/4ths of the screen is said strategic camera, and 1/4th is the alleged 'content'.

[Master Disaster]

1 minute ago, HarryNyquist said:

I would object to any of those things being done, while purposefully thrusting one's bust and cleavage toward a strategically angled camera.

 

I don't give two craps about women streaming. I don't give two craps about non-gaming content. I start having an issue when 3/4ths of the screen is said strategic camera, and 1/4th is the alleged 'content'.

Then don't fucking watch? I mean it's not like it's not easy to avoid, no one is forcing you to watch it.

[HarryNyquist]

Just now, Master Disaster said:

Then don't fucking watch? I mean it's not like it's not easy to avoid, no one is forcing you to watch it.

That's the same argument I hear about loot boxes too.

 

"If you don't like microtransactions then don't buy them? No one's forcing you to pay money to win." Great. Now every publisher thinks they can get away with the loot boxes because they can absolutely make bank on that. The influence of people who buy loot boxes, who flock to these streamers, greatly outweighs the influence that a few people who turn their head and shun have.

 

Twitch doesn't care to fix the problem because they make plenty of money off these people. It's going to bite them in the ass, just like EA got bit for paywalling everything. Might take a bit longer, but that doesn't change the fact that there's a problem.

[pas008]

Are they nude?

plain and simple

[Spenser1337]

23 hours ago, Mooshi said:

Do ears wear bras and are purposely hidden in society? That's a bad analogy.

 

The key is context and in this context,  purposely showing off your bust while streaming *is* for sexual reaction and view count, not a being in a natural state. People don't naturally just flip on a camera and stream after purposely prepping before hand to stick their tits out.

 

Breasts are more sexual in terms of stimulation than feet are even if natural biology, but some people find feet just as arousing. Context is 100% the context here, not the breasts themselves. Anything can sexual if presented that way.

 

When end goal is getting a view count based off a horny fanbase you may as well stream from an actual cam girl site. Twitch is not the platform for that.

 

My friend nobody wears a bra to hide their boobs. The bra holds them up

[linustouchtips]

you got to start somewhere if its a safe site like twitch all the power to those young kids seeing some goodies. Yea i know ban them but still its nice to tune in and see it every now and then.

[ItsMitch]

Just now, linustouchtips said:

you got to start somewhere if its a safe site like twitch all the power to those young kids seeing some goodies. Yea i know ban them but still its nice to tune in and see it every now and then.

isn't that the reason Pornhub exists? 

[linustouchtips]

Just now, SC2Mitch said:

isn't that the reason Pornhub exists? 

im talking about when the kids and young gamers happen to watch a twitch cam girl and become interested in human body and stuff. i hope afterwards they head to PH when the time comes.

[Tcrumpen]

On 12/10/2017 at 2:42 PM, SC2Mitch said:

Time of that year again where Twitch (an Amazon inc company) gets some flack again! Woo, let's jump into the Pain Train and let's get her moving!

 

The article is coming in from the BBC and the source is located: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-42222939

And from my point of view is that: Twitch needs to really set up to stop this, it's so creepy that they're allowing softcore pornography onto their site and when people take up arms, they reply with "It's within our Terms of Service"

 

Train just pulled into the Sad Station, thoughts on this people?

NOTE: POSSIBLE TRIGGER AND CONTROVERSIAL OPINION

Spoiler

 

The notion i'm ok with women can do what they like with their bodies however if there is no age restriction on the stream then that's an oopsy on both the streamers and twitch's part; i'm fairly sure that should a number of underage people watched a stream and their parents saw them both twitch and the streamer could get slammed with a lawsuit. But also i find it hard to be to sympathetic towards the people falling for it; to the people that are actually falling for it i've got some magic beans that i'd like to sell you

 

If you're off that age where your above the age to be watching things like that; porn exists for a reason ...

 

 

[Yoinkerman]

Nah bring on the boobie streams good for them

[TOMPPIX]

kek... just go watch some porn, only 13 year old boiiiiiiiis watch tity streamers.

[Tcrumpen]

Just now, TOMPPIX said:

kek... just go watch some porn, only 13 year old boiiiiiiiis watch tity streamers.

The argument i sort of made; if your of that age where you know how to find those kinds of streamers ... porn exists for a reason. However if the viewers are underage then thats another problem i'm sure even the most "daring" of women wouldn't want underage people oogling at them

[Master Disaster]

55 minutes ago, HarryNyquist said:

That's the same argument I hear about loot boxes too.

 

"If you don't like microtransactions then don't buy them? No one's forcing you to pay money to win." Great. Now every publisher thinks they can get away with the loot boxes because they can absolutely make bank on that. The influence of people who buy loot boxes, who flock to these streamers, greatly outweighs the influence that a few people who turn their head and shun have.

 

Twitch doesn't care to fix the problem because they make plenty of money off these people. It's going to bite them in the ass, just like EA got bit for paywalling everything. Might take a bit longer, but that doesn't change the fact that there's a problem.

Actually no, it's not even close and I was waiting for this to come up.

 

You see you cannot avoid loot boxes in games when they're tied into progression. You don't buy them you get a real disadvantage compared to other players. Not to mention in a game you're entirely captive, you have no alternative.

 

On Twitch it's 100% your choice to watch a tittie streamer. You must click the stream and you must watch the stream. You haven't paid for Twitch and there's literally thousands of other choices available.

 

You wouldn't turn your TV to a station you don't like, watch and whine about what's on.

[ItsMitch]

5 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

On Twitch it's 100% your choice to watch a tittie streamer. You must click the stream and you must watch the stream. You haven't paid for Twitch and there's literally thousands of other choices available.

 

Half true, some of the titty streamers I've seen have a gameplay over the stream so you HAVE to click on it to see if ti's a titty streamer or not. Also this kind of stuff is just so weird and creepy it's unreal, yes it's their body but w/e, it's just pure exploitation of younger people who struggle with money and maybe have issues finding porn sites so they go to Twitch.

[HarryNyquist]

19 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

You see you cannot avoid loot boxes in games when they're tied into progression. You don't buy them you get a real disadvantage compared to other players. Not to mention in a game you're entirely captive, you have no alternative.

And why exactly did that happen? They put the innocuous loot boxes into the game, people bought them despite protest, now they're so tied into the game you can't avoid them.

 

Loot boxes were not always necessary. Showing off your tits on twitch is currently not necessary for success or views. I don't want it to turn into a requirement to succeed.

[SpaceGhostC2C]

19 hours ago, RorzNZ said:

Its all very fair to say that but at the end of the day its kids that will be able to watch this.

 

The kids are all at youporn.

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Nowadays people are much younger when introduced to the internet.

 

Young padawan, pre-internet kids were watching shows truly intended "for the whole family"... as it was actually the fathers tuning in (cfr. Xuxa and the others)

 

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Adviertising will also crackdown on this. If they don't want to be associated with much lesser terms on Youtube then I'm sure they don't want to be associated with softcore pornography.

That's more of a corporate decision for Twitch than a reason to outrage, isn't it?

 

18 hours ago, RorzNZ said:

Its not about showing cleavage or twerking really but straight up doing it for the purpouse of getting money. Twitch isn't a site for that.

That's kind of for Twitch to say?

 

18 hours ago, RorzNZ said:

If you want to dance then thats fine. If you want to wear a nice top then thats ok. Good for you its your life, but if you do it illicitly for the purpouse of getting more money off viewers (and it is often most, if not all they do) then it is a big problem.

Illicitly would imply illegal or otherwise against a norm? Which norm is it, again? Certainly, a rule that doesn't seem to apply to pop music, hollywood movies, even news presenters sometimes... 

 

16 hours ago, Hiya! said:

Its just WRONG. plain and simple.

Wow, that's a killer argument right there. I mean, the logical process, the cleanly laid premises, the buildup to the conclusion. You must be a philosopher or something.

Man, that could have been the motto of the Mayflower.

 

14 hours ago, SC2Mitch said:

Like? Last time I checked it's primarily a gaming platform. 

There is this show, you know, by some dude... goes by the name of Linux Sebastian or Linus Xavier, I don't remember... It's called "the WANK show", I believe.

13 hours ago, cj09beira said:

so in your mind if i see someone going through a bad path i should just let them, after all its his life, right?

You are kind of putting words in his/her mouth, aren't you? He said "it's plain wrong" is a pretty subjective statement to present as a discussion-finishing argument.

But, since you bring it up, yes, everyone of us has the right to judge what "a bad path is" on our own. You can, of course, issue warnings when you feel compelled to it, even give advice when advice is welcome by the recipient. I don't think "ban them all and let God sort them out, for being just WRONG" qualifies as a Samaritan warning or advice.

 

4 hours ago, Trixanity said:

Let me put it in terms people can understand: you know how you hate miners ruining the graphics card market? Titty streamers are the miners of Twitch.

 

What they're doing is perfectly legal, perfectly fine but essentially have a negative impact on the market. 

Well, if I follow your analogy, the conclusion would be that there is no issue to solve here, just like with mining.

Hey, you could even say that in both cases the answer is the same: "drill, baby, drill!"  

 

1 hour ago, HarryNyquist said:

I would object to any of those things being done, while purposefully thrusting one's bust and cleavage toward a strategically angled camera.

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I start having an issue when 3/4ths of the screen is said strategic camera, and 1/4th is the alleged 'content'.

The question remains, why do you give half a f*** about how people arrange the content of streams you don't watch?

 

1 hour ago, HarryNyquist said:

That's the same argument I hear about loot boxes too.

 

"If you don't like microtransactions then don't buy them? No one's forcing you to pay money to win."

 

Which is spot on. If games filled with microtransactions suck, why would you buy games filled with microtransactions? It's like hating games with bad graphics, then buying games with bad graphics, then complaining and asking for the government or someone to do something about it. In both cases, we are talking about something you can know before buying the game. Microtransactions qualify as "gameplay" to me, so games flooded with microtransactions are essentially bad gameplay games. Why would I buy a game that I know in advance has terrible gameplay?

 

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Twitch doesn't care to fix the problem because they make plenty of money off these people.

Once again, which "problem"?

[Drak3]

16 hours ago, Windspeed36 said:

Or we just stop telling people what we can and can't do with their bodies?

If only it were that simple.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Slut.

 

 

 

/s

[Tcrumpen]

5 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

If only it were that simple.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Slut.

 

 

 

/s

Women would go on a rampage exclaiming something about feminism probably; although tbh i would see their point there

[Trixanity]

34 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

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I see your point. Essentially if it's legal it's fine regardless of the consequences.

So if I were to park in front of your driveway so you can't get your car in or out it's fine because it's a public road. That's not what you're saying necessarily but I get that it's your mindset. Or if teenagers take over the playground so your kids can't play there it's fine because there are no rules saying playgrounds are for kids.

We could go on but let's leave it at that. 

 

Ultimately it's a case of: Twitch was made for game streaming and should remain so (or the IRL section may stay but the content matters) versus people should be allowed to do whatever they want (even if it wrecks the platform for the target/core audience) and the content has no relevance.

[Misanthrope]

Well Twitch is expanding far beyond just "gaming" at this point so I'm not sure where should the line be drawn. It might be just me but I'm mostly ok with this. Now I'm sure Amazon would like to keep it somewhat respectable but they should also consider that as long as they're branching out of being a one trick pony with "Videogame streaming" this kind of thing is bound to happen so just police the most egregious or boundary pushing infractions I'd say.

[Master Disaster]

1 minute ago, SC2Mitch said:

Half true, some of the titty streamers I've seen have a gameplay over the stream so you HAVE to click on it to see if ti's a titty streamer or not. Also this kind of stuff is just so weird and creepy it's unreal, yes it's their body but w/e, it's just pure exploitation of younger people who struggle with money and maybe have issues finding porn sites so they go to Twitch.

 

1 hour ago, SC2Mitch said:

Half true, some of the titty streamers I've seen have a gameplay over the stream so you HAVE to click on it to see if ti's a titty streamer or not. Also this kind of stuff is just so weird and creepy it's unreal, yes it's their body but w/e, it's just pure exploitation of younger people who struggle with money and maybe have issues finding porn sites so they go to Twitch.

You still have to stay there and watch it though

 

52 minutes ago, HarryNyquist said:

And why exactly did that happen? They put the innocuous loot boxes into the game, people bought them despite protest, now they're so tied into the game you can't avoid them.

 

Loot boxes were not always necessary. Showing off your tits on twitch is currently not necessary for success or views. I don't want it to turn into a requirement to succeed.

People buying loot boxes had no effect on the publishers tying them to progression. Andrew Wilson invented the progression based loot box himself and when he became CEO he stuck it in everything.

 

Saying because tittie streamers exists means everything else will fail is a logical fallacy and something of which you have no evidence to back up.

 

19 minutes ago, Trixanity said:

I see your point. Essentially if it's legal it's fine regardless of the consequences.

So if I were to park in front of your driveway so you can't get your car in or out it's fine because it's a public road. That's not what you're saying necessarily but I get that it's your mindset. Or if teenagers take over the playground so your kids can't play there it's fine because there are no rules saying playgrounds are for kids.

We could go on but let's leave it at that. 

 

Ultimately it's a case of: Twitch was made for game streaming and should remain so (or the IRL section may stay but the content matters) versus people should be allowed to do whatever they want (even if it wrecks the platform for the target/core audience) and the content has no relevance.

So basically "wawawa, muh computer is changin and actin all weird like, I don't like it, make it stop".

 

Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it shouldn't exist and here's a free hint, Amazon will do what makes them the most money. They don't give a fuck about you, me or anybody and you not liking something means nothing to them. There's a hundred people waiting to replace you who are OK with it.

 

Things change man, if your logic was applied everywhere we literally wouldn't have an internet at all.

[Derangel]

44 minutes ago, Trixanity said:

I see your point. Essentially if it's legal it's fine regardless of the consequences.

So if I were to park in front of your driveway so you can't get your car in or out it's fine because it's a public road. That's not what you're saying necessarily but I get that it's your mindset. Or if teenagers take over the playground so your kids can't play there it's fine because there are no rules saying playgrounds are for kids.

We could go on but let's leave it at that. 

 

Ultimately it's a case of: Twitch was made for game streaming and should remain so (or the IRL section may stay but the content matters) versus people should be allowed to do whatever they want (even if it wrecks the platform for the target/core audience) and the content has no relevance.

No, Twitch should be whatever the people running it want it to be. Expanding out into other avenues is good for Twitch. Twitch is a business, they are a for-profit entity. Twitch was never going to remain gaming only, you can't grow a platform like Twitch by just focusing on one market. Platforms change over time, that's how things go. Technology is ever changing and expanding. Cooking, real life, etc does not take away from the gaming aspect of Twitch. If you don't like them, don't watch them and move on with your life. They don't effect you.

[Trixanity]

10 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

So basically "wawawa, muh computer is changin and actin all weird like, I don't like it, make it stop".

 

Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it shouldn't exist and here's a free hint, Amazon will do what makes them the most money. They don't give a fuck about you, me or anybody and you not liking something means nothing to them. There's a hundred people waiting to replace you who are OK with it.

 

Things change man, if your logic was applied everywhere we literally wouldn't have an internet at all.

No. Just no.

 

There are lots of avenues for these girls. Lots. However there is more direct competition on these sites.

 

But I guess because titty streamers shouldn't use Twitch but use camgirl sites we may as well dismantle the internet because if people can't do jumping jacks for subscriptions then it doesn't matter anymore.

 

Yeah, this isn't about change. You're trying to make it that way but it isn't.

And bringing the 'hail corporate' angle isn't it either.

 

Either you roll over and take it or you fight it. I fight, you don't. The acceptance of fuckery all around is why you have Ajit Pai in charge of the FCC who will officially be dismantling net neutrality shortly. Because "we should go with the flow and allow change to happen" and "hail corporate. They don't care about you. It's money. So money decides. Accept it".

3 minutes ago, Derangel said:

No, Twitch should be whatever the people running it want it to be. Expanding out into other avenues is good for Twitch. Twitch is a business, they are a for-profit entity. Twitch was never going to remain gaming only, you can't grow a platform like Twitch by just focusing on one market. Platforms change over time, that's how things go. Technology is ever changing and expanding. Cooking, real life, etc does not take away from the gaming aspect of Twitch. If you don't like them, don't watch them and move on with your life. They don't effect you.

Cooking is fine, vlogging is fine. If it's valuable content, go for it. If you want your platform to be about streaming and educating. Fine. But if you stream games but it really isn't games but squats and jumping jacks for subs then it's making a mockery out of the platform and it'll go the way of YouTube (adpocalypse 2.0). It'd actually be just fine if Twitch made an adult section but don't put twerking and nip slips along side actual content creators. In the same way people shouldn't put Spider-Man sexually assaulting Elsa in the kids section on YouTube. You can make the content but somewhere else. 

 

It really isn't that hard to understand. People don't want camgirls in the gaming section. You can stream  gaming being busty in a tanktop if your content is about the gaming. You can't if the gaming is the gateway/loophole and ends up being a small window you can't actually see and your content focuses on doing push-ups in front of the camera. The key is partitioning. However we all know the camgirls want to be in the gaming section because it would be a disadvantage to get lopped in between all the other girls and off the front page. Also, they suddenly have to face the reality that they're just another camgirl.