EK-MLC Phoenix

[jasonvp]

17 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

It doesn't matter how many loops there are, so ling as coolant stays below the component temps, the loop works. One well designed loop trumps two poorly designed loops.

But two well-designed loops trumps one loop of any design.  See how that works?

 

Two loops allows you the added flexibility of swapping parts out far easier than a single, large one.  Because I made the mistake of a single, large loop, it was impossible for me to install the then-new Titan X Pascal cards I'd purchased when they launched in May of 2016.  Why?  EK hadn't finished up their block for it yet.  So my pretty new cards sat in their boxes, waiting for EK.  I couldn't remove the GPUs from the loop because it would stop the fluid flow.

 

I'm never making that mistake again.  Two, independent loops, always.  For performance and flexibility.

[Drak3]

37 minutes ago, jasonvp said:

But two well-designed loops trumps one loop of any design.  See how that works?

 

Two loops allows you the added flexibility of swapping parts out far easier than a single, large one.  Because I made the mistake of a single, large loop, it was impossible for me to install the then-new Titan X Pascal cards I'd purchased when they launched in May of 2016.  Why?  EK hadn't finished up their block for it yet.  So my pretty new cards sat in their boxes, waiting for EK.  I couldn't remove the GPUs from the loop because it would stop the fluid flow.

 

I'm never making that mistake again.  Two, independent loops, always.  For performance and flexibility.

You're wrong. Dual loops will never outperform a single loop of the same rad space. Flexibility is an issue of foresight.

Dual loops exist for aesthetics, form over function.

[jasonvp]

2 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

You're wrong. Dual loops will never outperform a single loop of the same rad space. Flexibility is an issue of foresight.

Dual loops exist for aesthetics, form over function.

Not based on my fairly extensive experience.  With a single loop, 3 radiators, an overclocked CPU, and 2 overclocked GPUs, I found that the GPUs' and CPU's temperatures would even out under load.  And it didn't matter which load.  Under gaming load where the GPUs were taxed way more heavily than the CPU: the CPU's temperature evened out with the GPUs'.  Likewise when exporting a video where the transcoding is 100% CPU-bound: The GPUs' temps evened out with the CPU's.

 

When I took those same radiators and same fan setups, and split the loop into 2 independent ones (1 rad for the CPU, 2 rads for the GPUs), the temperature changes became independent.  During a game, the GPUs' temps would go up but not the CPU's.  Likewise with the exporting/transcoding a video: the CPU's temp would go up, and the GPUs' temps would stay low.

 

What's this mean?  The shared cooling vehicle (the water in this case) was warming up the components that weren't being used.  Which makes the radiators significantly less efficient.

 

You're free to believe otherwise, but my experience says I'm right.  And I've been doing this longer than most in the industry (including the big YouTubers).

[dizmo]

Interesting idea but boy is it ugly... 

[The Benjamins]

2 minutes ago, jasonvp said:

 

What's this mean?  The shared cooling vehicle (the water in this case) was warming up the components that weren't being used.  Which makes the radiators significantly less efficient.

 

You mean blocks, radiators become more efficient the hotter the liquid gets but, blocks become less efficient.

[WkdPaul]

Thread cleaned.

 

Less of "flying fucks not given" and more on-topic discussion

[Serin]

Woo! Finally!
Been running a titan x and a 5960x off a Predator 360 for a while and the temps aren't terrible at all... but slapping one of these rad/pump suckers in the front of my case is on my list. 

[Dabombinable]

Will it be prone to leaking like EK's previous expandable AIO? Because that's the most important thing.

[Dash Lambda]

5 hours ago, Drak3 said:

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5 hours ago, jasonvp said:

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Or you could have the blocks in parallel. Split into a CPU and a GPU run after the pump then recombine them before the rads.

The components cannot simply heat each other up. The interplay actually depends on a lot of things, from flow rate to run length to how much fluid is even in the loop, what materials you use for the tubing and blocks, so on and so forth.

[DildorTheDecent]

11 hours ago, jasonvp said:

I've used a lot of Koolance's QDs, and they're garbage, through and through.  They jam open, and you have no idea of that until you disconnect it.  Annnnnd water everywhere.

Really it depends on which ones you're talking about. I'm currently running QD3s and they're fine. Pull to release. Easy.

[RyanEsau]

Sounds just about like what I'd want to do GPU Watercooling but I can't do those prices, damn.

 

 

What I'd really like those is just something like the radiator and it somehow works with G1/4 fittings. So, I could in theory buy a graphics card with a waterblock already (Example 1 (EVGA) Example 2 (Asus) )

 

Guess my best bet if I wanted watercooling would still be to just buy a hybrid gpu.

[BuckGup]

@EK_Derick @EK Luc Does this work with any CPU block? Say I wanted to use a monoblock can I get that or get quick disconnect fittings for it?

[Bcat00]

i thought their last try at this leaked a lot and had to pull the entire lineup.

[Masada02]

27 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

@EK_Derick @EK Luc Does this work with any CPU block? Say I wanted to use a monoblock can I get that or get quick disconnect fittings for it?

If it's anything like the Predator (which it certainly looks like) then yes. It's essentially one of their copper rads, D5 PWM pump, and a small reservoir in a nice housing with a custom PCB to power the fans. All of these use standard fittings and you can essentially customize this into a low profile custom loop. That's why I have the Predator 360. Custom loop cooling and customization, and low profile looks.

 

The fittings aren't the easiest to get a hold of, but they are obtainable from other online sources.

[Serin]

7 hours ago, Dabombinable said:

Will it be prone to leaking like EK's previous expandable AIO? Because that's the most important thing.

That was pretty much only the first version of the Predator series. I've not heard of repeat instances, nor experienced my own, with the revision that they ended the product line on. Figure they've probably not inexplicably repeated an already resolved error in design.

[Trik'Stari]

My only question is could the pump actually handle this well? And will it have a shorter life span when you throw in the GPU?

[EK Luc]

On 27/11/2017 at 8:44 PM, BuckGup said:

@EK_Derick @EK Luc Does this work with any CPU block? Say I wanted to use a monoblock can I get that or get quick disconnect fittings for it?

Yes you could

[teadaze]

Around 500 bucks for a custom aio when you could add 2-300 bucks more and get a fully custom hardtube loop that you customize to a 100%, it seems this phoenix is for those that dont trust themselves to build a full custom loop, or does not have the time for it. Since choosing a 500 bucks aio loop in the first place is so overkill if it comes to watercooling, paying more than normal aio prices should only have to do with estetics and quality and yes this  phoenix is higher quality than all your normal aio's but in terms of estetics youre pretty much left without own customization-privilegies   What im trying to say is that if youre gonna go the extra mile and paying alot of cash for a waterloop you might aswell go full custom loop for 700-800 bucks if you think you can make one yourself and get the estetics that you want on it. But if for any reason you dont want to or can do that this phoenix is a decent option, allthough i think for the hefty price on it the increased quality over normal aio's is just not worth the extra 250-300 bucks to pay, thats just my opinion tho, im sure this could be a popular thing.

 

Oh and about the QDC's that EK is using, they're HIGH quality for sure, as someone stated earlier i also spoke to a EK representative and theyre indeed medical grade QDC's, i would trust this phoenix aio to be as virtually leakfree as it gets.

[ADM-Ntek]

i really like the design of the CPU block. but i wish they would also offer reservoirs. and i concerning the price i think it is ok considering EK build quality. and unlike the switech stuff you can actually get it outside the US.

[The Benjamins]

34 minutes ago, ADM-Ntek said:

i really like the design of the CPU block. but i wish they would also offer reservoirs. and i concerning the price i think it is ok considering EK build quality. and unlike the switech stuff you can actually get it outside the US.

the reservoir is built into the rad/pump unit, and this is all prefilled so you don't need a user fillable res

[ADM-Ntek]

2 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

the reservoir is built into the rad/pump unit, and this is all prefilled so you don't need a user fillable res

i know but i would still like a bigger secondary one.

[The Benjamins]

13 minutes ago, ADM-Ntek said:

i know but i would still like a bigger secondary one.

well you could always buy a EK res, tubing, and QDC's and then top off the loop.

[jasonvp]

3 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

well you could always buy a EK res, tubing, and QDC's and then top off the loop.

My only complaint about EK's choice for QDs is that they're for tubing only.  Yeah, I get it: they're medical-quality, and designed to be at the end of tubing.  But I'd rather see an option for G1/4-threaded ends, as well.  It'd make them vastly more interesting and useful.  That way you wouldn't have to hard-connect a length of tubing to a reservoir, pump, or block, and then add the QD to it.  You could just have half of the QD on the device itself.

 

Cleaner that way, IMHO.  And one less potential failure point per flow.

[Misanthrope]

On 11/27/2017 at 12:25 PM, jasonvp said:

Not based on my fairly extensive experience.  With a single loop, 3 radiators, an overclocked CPU, and 2 overclocked GPUs, I found that the GPUs' and CPU's temperatures would even out under load.  And it didn't matter which load.  Under gaming load where the GPUs were taxed way more heavily than the CPU: the CPU's temperature evened out with the GPUs'.  Likewise when exporting a video where the transcoding is 100% CPU-bound: The GPUs' temps evened out with the CPU's.

 

When I took those same radiators and same fan setups, and split the loop into 2 independent ones (1 rad for the CPU, 2 rads for the GPUs), the temperature changes became independent.  During a game, the GPUs' temps would go up but not the CPU's.  Likewise with the exporting/transcoding a video: the CPU's temp would go up, and the GPUs' temps would stay low.

 

What's this mean?  The shared cooling vehicle (the water in this case) was warming up the components that weren't being used.  Which makes the radiators significantly less efficient.

 

You're free to believe otherwise, but my experience says I'm right.  And I've been doing this longer than most in the industry (including the big YouTubers).

The thermal capacity of anything but thin 120mm radiators it's large enough that this largely doesn't matter: Remember that even a 295x2 was cooled without issues by a single 120mm radiator (though a reasonably thick one) and most people looking at putting anything at or beyond a single 280 for their CPU/GPU loop will not run into appreciable differences: that is to say, what you mention here will happen but it would be a couple of degrees of difference while most of the temps are staying 30 to 40c below the throttling points so it won't matter.

 

 

[ybing]

Have anyone bought it and try out yet?  I was planning to get 2 EVGA Hybird and waiting for the Corsair H150i, but a 360 + 280 loop seems tempting, although the price is much higher.  I think it need to purchase the EK block in order to work right?  Normal GPU with block like the hydro copper won't fit?  Does this really worth the extra $$ compare to Asetek