So apparently, the Intel/Radeon marriage is a thing that's happening

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7 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Hope they actually talk about it and not get derailed by non tech news, sure very interesting stuff but almost nothing got covered last week lol. I blame the technical issues more for that though.

A couple weeks back they had my story about the Pixel 2 XL display issues in their list but never got to it

Would have been a good one too, I'm sure Linus would have had an opinion on it considering he reviewed one

[LinusTech]

13 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

A couple weeks back they had my story about the Pixel 2 XL display issues in their list but never got to it

Would have been a good one too, I'm sure Linus would have had an opinion on it considering he reviewed one

 Honestly my thought on it is that it is quite overblown. 

 

 I actually do end up mentioning it in my upcoming LG V30 review.  They use very similar displays. 

 

As for the WAN Show this week I actually may not be on it. I will be travelling in New York at the time.

[leadeater]

12 minutes ago, LinusTech said:

As for the WAN Show this week I actually may not be on it. I will be travelling in New York at the time.

Pre-record aye aye, go on do it 

 

Joking aside I would actually like to hear your comments on some of the bigger news items.

[JoostinOnline]

13 minutes ago, LinusTech said:

 As for the WAN Show this week I actually may not be on it. I will be travelling in New York at the time.

I call dibs on your spot.

[mr moose]

But the really big question is: how will this effect the steam surveys? and will AMD fanboys now attribute a portion of Intel's GPU percentage to AMD to soften the blow?

[leadeater]

5 minutes ago, mr moose said:

But the really big question is: how will this effect the steam surveys? and will AMD fanboys now attribute a portion of Intel's GPU percentage to AMD to soften the blow?

I wonder how that would work, wouldn't the systems be running AMD GPU drivers so would count toward AMD?

[mr moose]

6 minutes ago, leadeater said:

I wonder how that would work, wouldn't the systems be running AMD GPU drivers so would count toward AMD?

who knows?  Sometimes I wonder if even steam know how their surveys work. 

[Gravesnear]

21 hours ago, Dabombinable said:

AMD doesn't need to join Intel though.....unless there is some life left in Larabee?

A lot of HD graphics ip comes from Nvidia if I'm not mistaken. Making this a chance to diversify, make more money, and take a small chunk of revenue from nvidia. Hopefully not at the cost of their own cpus.

[Thendo Marakate]

well that's news, wouldn't NVidia do the same thing but with AMD CPUs? think about it ,the are Radeon GPUs(AMD) and AMD CPUs .since intel went with Radeon GPUs would it not be logical for NVidia to go with AMD CPUs since  

[ATFink]

17 hours ago, cj09beira said:

yes and no, its probably 2 completely different price brackets, i would like amd to make their own version of this with the same gpu though, stead of relying on intel

I think Intel has better brand name recognition than AMD and this move may help AMD sell products to OEMs in the future through association (assuming the AMD components will be successful in this case). I don't know though, this is just pure speculation.

[ATFink]

17 hours ago, tsk said:

Raven ridge= 12-25W 

Intel H series= 45W + dGPU(probably 75W+) 

Apparently the dGPU is supposed to be 35-55W. I read this further back in the comment chain and don't feel like looking back that far, so sorry to the user I would usually be quoting now.

[ATFink]

16 hours ago, linustouchtips said:

its my weird fantasy as a matter of fact they are getting a boost in the stock as we speak

I'm confused, your profile pic is Lisa Su, the CEO of AMD, but you want AMD to sell RTG to Intel? What gives?

[ATFink]

14 hours ago, Shahnewaz said:

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We (at SA)

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Seeking Alpha? Nice to see I'm not the only one here that's also there.

[Cookybiscuit]

8 hours ago, Ezilkannan said:

uhm, actually their higher end 1080Ti is much better priced than the 1080.

Uhm, still would be nice if it was cheaper though.

[ATFink]

13 hours ago, commenter said:

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Thoughts?

Although I didn't think about the issue in the same level of depth that you described, I did consider the general point you made with regards to Apple. The iMac lineup does use Vega graphics and Intel CPUs and previous Apple products have used RTG products as well, so I thought it'd make since for a low power combination of the products to be used in Apple's Laptops both for legal reasons and to reduce optimization input in the Apple ecosystem to allow for higher performance products.

[ATFink]

12 hours ago, Shahnewaz said:

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On that logic an Intel-Nvidia combo would be exactly what Apple wants, but that's not happening in this case.

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Explain the new iMac lineup with Vega then. If you're correct then I'm missing something that I can't figure out.

[cj09beira]

11 hours ago, Taf the Ghost said:

Part of me thinks AMD did the deal to help that along. Though AMD already needs HBM3 for Vega. (Clocks barely do much for the RX Vega cards, it's all about the HBM overclocking.)

ya, the feasibility of navi in my mind really needs hbm3 to be ready for action because some cards will end up with only one hbm stack, which needs to be as fast as possible.

10 hours ago, Trik'Stari said:

I feel like AMD's graphics division isn't much of a threat to anyone. Ryzen was and is great, but Vega is just another disappointment. It's not top of the line, and it's basically unavailable because of HBM2 yields combined with miners buying up all the cards.

vega is top of the line the issue is that its bottleneck in other parts of the pipeline while rendering games, its compute perf is actually really good, been basically as fast as p100 while being a smaller die, it seems amd is focusing more on the markets where they think vega will sell for its merits more often.

1 hour ago, Gravesnear said:

A lot of HD graphics ip comes from Nvidia if I'm not mistaken. Making this a chance to diversify, make more money, and take a small chunk of revenue from nvidia. Hopefully not at the cost of their own cpus.

not exactly intel is developing its own igpus the deal with nvidea (now with amd) was just so that intel doesn't get sued, as right now amd and nvidea have so many patents that its impossible to make a  fast efficient gpu without inflicting on those patents 

[crystal6tak]

Smart, people in my college here have associated AMD as "bad" when looking for laptops and just defaults to intel + nvidia.

 

I suppose if AMD can get people to buy laptops with intel + AMD setup and realize AMD is good now, it'll help rebuild their public image on the laptop side of things. Ultimately help sell their Ryzen laptops.

[Shahnewaz]

1 hour ago, ATFink said:

Seeking Alpha? Nice to see I'm not the only one here that's also there.

SemiAccurate.

1 hour ago, ATFink said:

Explain the new iMac lineup with Vega then. If you're correct then I'm missing something that I can't figure out.

Same argument. Nvidia has better GPUs, yet Apple refuses to use them. Yet they pay top dollar for the best binned Intel CPUs and AMD GPUs, even specially binned ones.

[Misanthrope]

On 11/6/2017 at 7:28 AM, Misanthrope said:

Wait, why? Now that AMD actually might have a very competitive product with the Ryzen + Vega APUs for laptops, why now that those are officially announced? It anything it makes far less sense now.

 

This rumor needs to die already.

Take a look at this idiot who thought it couldn't possibly real.

 

Quite something isn't it?

[Beverbomb]

Here's another article that makes some interesting points about why AMD are doing it. This article says that the reason that AMD and Intel are teaming up isn't to remove AMD from the market but is actually to bring AMD into competition with Nvidia (if you read between the lines) cause they want to bring discrete graphics card power to the CPU itself much like what Nvidia has done with the MX150.

 

Also the chip is meant to go into the small 2 in 1's or thin and light ultrabooks which doesn't take away from AMD's discrete cards or CPU's in larger more purpose built gaming laptops. 

 

I think this is great because it could (depending on performance) put more pressure on Nvidia to put research and development into the small form factor graphics cards rather than their Max-Q design and actually make a purpose built chip for the small 2 in 1's or ultrabooks which is what more and more people are buying.

 

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3235934/components-processors/intel-and-amd-ship-a-core-chip-with-radeon-graphics.html

[Prox1ma]

2 hours ago, Cookybiscuit said:

Uhm, still would be nice if it was cheaper though.

We all love cheaper components!

[Taf the Ghost]

@cj09beira

 

AMD's GPU department seems to have actually had a problem making the Compute too strong and ending up without enough culling and asset bottlenecks. Beyond just optimization issues, I think the CUs are too far ahead of the rest of the system. An interesting possibility, which lines up with the issues that both Intel & AMD have on the CPU side of things. (It also explains the big push in Memory tech over the last few years. They can't keep the cores filled.)

[Prox1ma]

This makes me think AMD or rather RTG is running out of options now. I see nVidia strengthening itself into a monopoly on desktop graphics. It's going to hurt our wallets in future, but can't be helped much. Guess we all should just get a console at this rate

[Taf the Ghost]

1 hour ago, Shahnewaz said:

Same argument. Nvidia has better GPUs, yet Apple refuses to use them. Yet they pay top dollar for the best binned Intel CPUs and AMD GPUs, even specially binned ones.

Nvidia has higher end GPUs that perform better under DX11 via their expensively maintained Driver Team. Those aren't just random caveats. Nvidia has an advantage in certain APIs and specific game engines under Windows, this doesn't just translate to the Macintosh environment as a 1 for 1. The technical aspects of "why" are really important here. Apple has the most money of any corporation ever. They have specific reasons for sticking with their AMD alliance.