The Mac mini isn’t dead yet, says Tim Cook.

[Sauron]

3 minutes ago, RedRound2 said:

You should realize that you nor I are not the entire consumer list. In fact we make up probably only 10%. I know so many people who would prefer a very thin and light with good battery life and great hardware as a serious choice for their next laptop. Not everyone needs the power of an i3 processors these days since almost 90% of usage scenario are web based and office productivity suites

I consider them bad products; you and others are free to disagree and spend your money as you wish, but the fact that I am a power user doesn't mean my judgement is invalid. I think they're (very) bad value for their target use case and limited in their functionality and usability by design choices.

9 minutes ago, RedRound2 said:

Really? If you do, its probably same with all other companies. After all they're bushiness.

Actually it often isn't, and when it is I won't be happy with it.

11 minutes ago, RedRound2 said:

But please also list the kind of moving industry forward things that that an specific competing company has done.

AMOLED displays, larger mobile screens, NFC, gorilla glass, wireless charging to name a few - and that's just the mobile space, because apple's computer lines have been generations behind the curve, bringing nothing new to the table for years, with only a handful of exceptions.

[Vanderburg]

He said almost the exact same thing a number of months ago (But it's hard to find because all search results are dominated by this). Wasn't refreshed since then, either, so no a lot of hope for this one.

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IF they make a new one they should be able to make it absolutely tiny considering the level of hardware Apple feels is acceptable in a modern computer

[Drak3]

1 minute ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

IF they make a new one they should be able to make it absolutely tiny considering the level of hardware Apple feels is acceptable in a modern computer

I've always wanted a Radeon Pro 580 and 7980XE in a system the size of a DVD case...

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Just now, Drak3 said:

I've always wanted a Radeon Pro 580 and 7980XE in a system the size of a DVD case...

don't we all, but that's not exactly practical.

 

If we use the MacBook (regular) as an example though, a 1.2 GHz Core m3 and no GPU is apparently appropriate for a machine that costs $1300 US.  Since it's pretty obvious that the vast majority of that cost is going toward profit/R&D, they should be able to pack that into an absolutely tiny cube.  Should be interesting.

[Drak3]

Just now, Ryan_Vickers said:

don't we all, but that's not exactly practical.

 

If we use the MacBook (regular) as an example though, a 1.2 GHz Core m3 and no GPU is apparently appropriate for a machine that costs $1300 US.  Since it's pretty obvious that the vast majority of that cost is going toward profit/R&D, they should be able to pack that into an absolutely tiny cube.  Should be interesting.

But I want to download a shit ton of anime to it, stick it with my physical collection, and not watch it for 2 years.

[Zodiark1593]

Considering Apple not only removed (they had this before which is why it's a big deal) the option for a quad core chip, and also killed off even basic upgradability such as RAM and the storage drive, then proceeded to completely neglect it, I would not recommend this Mac for anyone, unless you develop for iOS and for some reason needed a brand new Mac as cheap as possible.

 

Let's see if this new update will change my mind.

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

14 minutes ago, Zodiark1593 said:

Considering Apple not only removed (they had this before which is why it's a big deal) the option for a quad core chip, and also killed off even basic upgradability such as RAM and the storage drive, then proceeded to completely neglect it, I would not recommend this Mac for anyone, unless you develop for iOS and for some reason needed a brand new Mac as cheap as possible.

 

Let's see if this new update will change my mind.

Even if you're an iOS Developer who needs a cheap mac, I think you'll still be better off buying the MacBook Air or a used last gen MacBook Pro. 

[DrMacintosh]

I would love a new MacMini. Its a cheap, compact, and well built system. 

 

If Apple does update them like Tim Cook says I would like to see:

Bigger size with better cooling

latest generation quad core+ Intel Core Processors

A competent AMD Radeon GPU (possibly the same power as the 15" MacBook Pros)

Intel Iris Graphics option

8, 16,and 32GB RAM options

One of their super fast SSDs with 256, 512, and 1TB options

4x Thunderbolt/USB-C ports for external storage and more monitors (no other Monitors outputs needed, just get a HDMI to USB-C Cable) 

2x USB 3.0 Ports 

Ethernet

WiFi (duh) 

Bluetooth 5.0

 

Shit I'd buy that. Get a Thunderbolt GPU for gaming and Boot Windows off an external SSD and bam. Thats a pretty bitchen Mac

 

 

 

I just realized......Buy literally the lowest configuration MacMini with a QuadCore and just use the Thunderbolt ports for your storage and your external GPU and use the GPU for your existing monitors and I'm sure your monitors have extra USB ports. 

 

It all works out! I would actually argue that this new MacMini would be the best Mac out there rn for a normal person. 

 

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

Just now, DrMacintosh said:

I would love a new MacMini. Its a cheap, compact, and well built system. 

 

If Apple does update them like Tim Cook says I would like to see:

Bigger size with better cooling

latest generation quad core+ Intel Core Processors

A competent AMD Radeon GPU (possibly the same power as the 15" MacBook Pros)

At least 32GB of RAM

One of their super fast SSDs

5x Thunderbolt/USB-C ports for external storage and more monitors (no other Monitors outputs needed, just get a HDMI to USB-C Cable) 

Ethernet

WiFi (duh) 

Price: Starting $599

 

Shit I'd buy that. Get a Thunderbolt GPU, Boot Windows off an external SSD and bam. Thats a pretty bitchen Mac

 

 

I would buy one in a heartbeat to replace my hack job of a desktop. 

[kokakolia]

43 minutes ago, Zodiark1593 said:

Considering Apple not only removed (they had this before which is why it's a big deal) the option for a quad core chip, and also killed off even basic upgradability such as RAM and the storage drive, then proceeded to completely neglect it, I would not recommend this Mac for anyone, unless you develop for iOS and for some reason needed a brand new Mac as cheap as possible.

 

Let's see if this new update will change my mind.

The RAM argument is kinda moot for most people. Just stick to 8gb and you're good for life. The hard drive is a huge bummer on the other hand. Upgrading that would be nice.

[Commodus]

9 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

I would love a new MacMini. Its a cheap, compact, and well built system. 

 

If Apple does update them like Tim Cook says I would like to see:

Bigger size with better cooling

latest generation quad core+ Intel Core Processors

A competent AMD Radeon GPU (possibly the same power as the 15" MacBook Pros)

Intel Iris Graphics option

8, 16,and 32GB RAM options

One of their super fast SSDs with 256, 512, and 1TB options

5x Thunderbolt/USB-C ports for external storage and more monitors (no other Monitors outputs needed, just get a HDMI to USB-C Cable) 

Ethernet

WiFi (duh) 

Bluetooth 5.0

 

Shit I'd buy that. Get a Thunderbolt GPU, Boot Windows off an external SSD and bam. Thats a pretty bitchen Mac

 

 

That might be asking too much, at least at $599.  Thunderbolt 3 in particular isn't cheap, and even an entry-level GPU can hike prices.  Realistically, a Mac mini released today would have 8th-gen Core (including low-voltage for an entry-level model), integrated-only graphics, 8GB of RAM (16GB is a likely upgrade option, not so much 32GB), a 1TB spinning hard drive with Fusion/SSDs as options, and USB-C (not Thunderbolt 3) as the only general-purpose port.

 

Like it or not, Apple ultimately sees the Mac mini as a low-cost entry point into the Mac ecosystem, and that means keeping prices low overall, not just on the starting model.

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, Commodus said:

That might be asking too much, at least at $599.  Thunderbolt 3 in particular isn't cheap, and even an entry-level GPU can hike prices.  Realistically, a Mac mini released today would have 8th-gen Core (including low-voltage for an entry-level model), integrated-only graphics, 8GB of RAM (16GB is a likely upgrade option, not so much 32GB), a 1TB spinning hard drive with Fusion/SSDs as options, and USB-C (not Thunderbolt 3) as the only general-purpose port.

 

Like it or not, Apple ultimately sees the Mac mini as a low-cost entry point into the Mac ecosystem, and that means keeping prices low overall, not just on the starting model.

Well I did remove that price suggestion. Even if Apple removed the dedicated graphics, as long as it had Thunderbolt 3 ports, at least 16GB of RAM, and a decently clocked quad-core 8th Gen CPU, and you paired it with an external GPU That would still be a extremely awesome system. 

 

I'd replace my PC with it tbh.   

[Commodus]

Just now, DrMacintosh said:

Well I did remove that price suggestion. Even if Apple removed the dedicated graphics, as long as it had Thunderbolt 3 ports, at least 16GB of RAM, and a decently clocked quad-core 8th Gen CPU, and you paired it with an external GPU That would still be a extremely awesome system. 

 

I'd replace my PC with it tbh.   

Thankfully, the external GPU will be an option.  High Sierra lays the groundwork for it, and I believe full-on support should be ready in 2018.  It'll be funny to see a Mac mini on someone's desk with a Razer Core (or a similar GPU enclosure) completely dwarfing it.

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, Commodus said:

Thankfully, the external GPU will be an option.  High Sierra lays the groundwork for it, and I believe full-on support should be ready in 2018.  It'll be funny to see a Mac mini on someone's desk with a Razer Core (or a similar GPU enclosure) completely dwarfing it.

And not to mention a lot of the GPU enclosures have Daisy-Chain support so you could hook up even more stuff to it. But I’d rather be hooked right into the Mac if there are still ports available. 

[Commodus]

Just now, DrMacintosh said:

And not to mention a lot of the GPU enclosures have Daisy-Chain support so you could hook up even more stuff to it. But I’d rather be hooked right into the Mac if there are still ports available. 

I won't be surprised in that case if Apple goes with Thunderbolt 3 in the mini to some extent, even if it's one lone, specially marked port where everything else is plain USB-C.

[DrMacintosh]

Just now, Commodus said:

I won't be surprised in that case if Apple goes with Thunderbolt 3 in the mini to some extent, even if it's one lone, specially marked port where everything else is plain USB-C.

I think they would do at least 2 TB ports. The rest Type C and they have shown that they are willing to have Thunderbolt/USB-C and USB 3.0. At least on the iMacs. 

[minervx]

Mac Mini (2018)

• i7-7700 HQ
• 16 GB RAM
• 256 GB M2 SSD
• 50w total TDP
• Ports: HDMI, USB-C x2
• $899 ($999 for the 512 GB model)

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, minervx said:

Ports: HDMI, USB-C x2

imo thats crap. 

 

HDMI is dead, at least for Macs. If you have an HDMI monitor just get a USB-C to HDMI cable. 

 

Also there is going to be at least 1 Thunderbolt 3 port on every Mac Apple makes in the near future. 

[minervx]

9 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

imo thats crap. 

 

HDMI is dead, at least for Macs. If you have an HDMI monitor just get a USB-C to HDMI cable. 

 

Also there is going to be at least 1 Thunderbolt 3 port on every Mac Apple makes in the near future. 

needs more dangles

[DrMacintosh]

Just now, minervx said:

needs more dangles

Its not a Dongle:

https://www.amazon.com/Thunderbolt-Compatible-Macbook-MacBook-ChromeBook/dp/B01LYS3Q5A/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1508613889&sr=1-3&keywords=USB+C+to+HDMI 

[minervx]

1 minute ago, DrMacintosh said:

Its not a Dongle:

https://www.amazon.com/Thunderbolt-Compatible-Macbook-MacBook-ChromeBook/dp/B01LYS3Q5A/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1508613889&sr=1-3&keywords=USB+C+to+HDMI 

its a dangle.  aka, another $20 add-on you have to buy.

[DrMacintosh]

Just now, minervx said:

its a dangle.  aka, another $20 add-on you have to buy.

Its a cable, not a Dongle. That's the end of it. 

[minervx]

its not a dongle.  its a dangle

[Drak3]

1 minute ago, minervx said:

its not a dongle.  its a dangle

So long as we don't start needing dungles.