Asus TUF B350M-Plus announced

[porina]

14 minutes ago, cj09beira said:

TUF used to be for only extremely TUF/strong boards, this board only carries the name  

On the higher end there are TUF mark 1 and TUF mark 2. Take X299 ones for example, the mk1 is the one with all the armoured stuff and a price to match. The mk2 is actually the cheapest Asus board in that category. As said, I find their marketing message confusing... not just limited to the TUF but also the Prime, ROG, Strix, whatever...

[Bananasplit_00]

3 minutes ago, dave_k said:

Gigabyte uses crappy highside mosfets. From my talk with buildzoid and from the spec sheets i know that they have low current output (plus low maximum) and higher heat ouput. High RDS(on) and buildzoid says they are pretty unstable with higher temps

and if you have been talking to Buildzoid you should know that ASRock has actiually decent VRMs fully capable of 100A 1.42V, as most ASUS boards are aswell. Like really, B350 boards are pretty capable of overclocking R7 exept this anemic 3 phase poops from MSI and aparently the Gigabyte boards

[Misanthrope]

49 minutes ago, dave_k said:

With R7? You better pull the OC back. The VRMs on B350 arent enough for that, they overheat.

Well you might need to specify no overvolting in which case I'd agree. But I am managing 3.725 mhz overclock on a 1600 without even touching the voltage at all on a fairly similar board from Gigabyte (A-B350M-D3H also matx but I get an extra fan header which I use for dual 120mm intake fans which also helps VRM temps) 

 

So with proper case cooling and the fact that the wraith spire creates some down draft airflow it's fine for moderate overclocks that still get you to the X chips levels

[just_dave]

Just now, Bananasplit_00 said:

and if you have been talking to Buildzoid you should know that ASRock has actiually decent VRMs fully capable of 100A 1.42V, as most ASUS boards are aswell. Like really, B350 boards are pretty capable of overclocking R7 exept this anemic 3 phase poops from MSI and aparently the Gigabyte boards

Yeah but i heard about asrocks painful Vdrop. so i am not sure to recommend them

[just_dave]

1 minute ago, Misanthrope said:

Well you might need to specify no overvolting in which case I'd agree. But I am managing 3.725 mhz overclock on a 1600 without even touching the voltage at all on a fairly similar board from Gigabyte (A-B350M-D3H also matx but I get an extra fan header which I use for dual 120mm intake fans which also helps VRM temps) 

 

So with proper case cooling and the fact that the wraith spire creates some down draft airflow it's fine for moderate overclocks that still get you to the X chips levels

Gigabyte´s 4+3 poop is enough for a 6core no comments on that but you can get much better solutions like this asus which is the whole thread about

[cj09beira]

8 minutes ago, porina said:

On the higher end there are TUF mark 1 and TUF mark 2. Take X299 ones for example, the mk1 is the one with all the armoured stuff and a price to match. The mk2 is actually the cheapest Asus board in that category. As said, I find their marketing message confusing... not just limited to the TUF but also the Prime, ROG, Strix, whatever...

they are blending the lines which is completely stupid, rog is now cheaper and weaker, strix makes no god dam sense, and prime is supposed to be the new cheap board but its ugly as hell and has a weird name, i liked asus portfolio from 2015, good separated models, functional boards with good cooling, the boards weren't too over the top, now even the tuf series is trying to be flashy wtf

[just_dave]

1 minute ago, cj09beira said:

they are blending the lines which is completely stupid, rog is now cheaper and weaker, strix makes no god dam sense, and prime is supposed to be the new cheap board but its ugly as hell and has a weird name, i liked asus portfolio from 2015, good separated models, functional boards with good cooling, the boards weren't too over the top, now even the tuf series is trying to be flashy wtf

Still better than MSI with their VR and Gaming phrases on every goddamn box

[Bananasplit_00]

3 minutes ago, dave_k said:

Yeah but i heard about asrocks painful Vdrop. so i am not sure to recommend them

im pretty sure LLC solves that, either way i will keep recomending them

[cj09beira]

Just now, dave_k said:

Still better than MSI with their VR and Gaming phrases on every goddamn box

agreed but: notice the word gaming on the side of the board  

[just_dave]

10 minutes ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

im pretty sure LLC solves that, either way i will keep recomending them

I am going to change my list because this TUF is better than AB350M because it finally has heatsinks and better VRM as well

[DocSwag]

1 hour ago, dave_k said:

With R7? You better pull the OC back. The VRMs on B350 arent enough for that, they overheat.

I am still relatively certain something like 3.7 ghz 1.3v would be quite fine.

[Misanthrope]

59 minutes ago, dave_k said:

Gigabyte´s 4+3 poop is enough for a 6core no comments on that but you can get much better solutions like this asus which is the whole thread about

Well B350 and particularly B350 prices should be aimed for the R5s if people go up to R7 prices ideally the entire rig price would also go up and they'd go up to X370s.

 

If you ask me MATX is more of a mid-range choice and this board wants to be the top line mid-range choice not really a "1700@4.0ghz" kind of overclocking board.

[just_dave]

22 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

I am still relatively certain something like 3.7 ghz 1.3v would be quite fine.

1.3V yes but most people are going for 4.0-3.9 at 1.35+V which is too much for these to handle. I have thermal imaging for the Strix, R7 at 1.44V with no airflow over the heatsink means 120°C on the VRMs, running 1.35-38 would be fine but not optimal

[just_dave]

1 minute ago, Misanthrope said:

Well B350 and particularly B350 prices should be aimed for the R5s if people go up to R7 prices ideally the entire rig price would also go up and they'd go up to X370s.

 

If you ask me MATX is more of a mid-range choice and this board wants to be the top line mid-range choice not really a "1700@4.0ghz" kind of overclocking board.

Yes, exactly but some people dont just understand that, they think that they can overclock the fuck out of Ryzen on the cheapest B350 in best buy

[Big Head Tech]

I've hit 3.9GHz @1.45V on a Ryzen 3 and Ryzen 5 with mosfets hitting 70-80*C

[just_dave]

Just now, Snaeb said:

I've hit 3.9GHz @1.45V on a Ryzen 3 and Ryzen 5 with mosfets hitting 70-80*C

1.45V? Rest in peace Ryzen 2017-2018

[Big Head Tech]

1 minute ago, dave_k said:

1.45V? Rest in peace Ryzen 2017-2018

Mind you that was only for gaming benchmarks for one video I did. My 1700x on auto voltage would hit 1.44V @ stock.

[Misanthrope]

3 minutes ago, dave_k said:

Yes, exactly but some people dont just understand that, they think that they can overclock the fuck out of Ryzen on the cheapest B350 in best buy

Modest boards for modest overclocks which incidentally are the most cost effective i.e. I get just past 1600x levels on a 1600 no voltage increase. An extra 275mhz to get an extra 5% isn't worth pushing the motherboard any higher.

 

The bigger point is that people might watch reviewers on youtube and go "Oh wow he's getting 3.9 on a 65 bucks B350 board and a stock cooler" but that guy doesn't really care his review sample dies in 2 years whereas consumers that can only afford a B350 board and R5 probably can't afford to keep buying boards and chips very frequently.

 

Or maybe we've been used to this modest overclocks not being an option with intel for so many years it's kind of a new thing for most.

[dexT]

This dude ordered me to edit a post in another thread because I said it was OK to use more than 1.35V on DDR4 then quickly edited his own when I smacked em down with proof.

 

He's wrong all the time and a dick about it.

[DocSwag]

16 minutes ago, dave_k said:

1.44V

Personally if you ask me that's way too higher anyways , I personally would like to stay at 1.4 or lower

[just_dave]

16 minutes ago, dexT said:

This dude ordered me to edit a post in another thread because I said it was OK to use more than 1.35V on DDR4 then quickly edited his own when I smacked em down with proof.

 

He's wrong all the time and a dick about it.

I am not saying its not Ok, i am saying that i didnt like 1.41V. I first thought you wrote 1.5V, then edited it. 

Sorry

Is it prohibited to edit comments?

Edited August 31, 2017 by dave_k
sorry for editing comment

[just_dave]

23 minutes ago, Snaeb said:

Mind you that was only for gaming benchmarks for one video I did. My 1700x on auto voltage would hit 1.44V @ stock.

Oh ok

[just_dave]

21 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

Modest boards for modest overclocks which incidentally are the most cost effective i.e. I get just past 1600x levels on a 1600 no voltage increase. An extra 275mhz to get an extra 5% isn't worth pushing the motherboard any higher.

 

The bigger point is that people might watch reviewers on youtube and go "Oh wow he's getting 3.9 on a 65 bucks B350 board and a stock cooler" but that guy doesn't really care his review sample dies in 2 years whereas consumers that can only afford a B350 board and R5 probably can't afford to keep buying boards and chips very frequently.

 

Or maybe we've been used to this modest overclocks not being an option with intel for so many years it's kind of a new thing for most.

I absolutely hate trash youtubers like ScienceStudio who recommended MSI B350 Gaming Plus just because "it looks good" and said "ideal board for anyone who doesnt need SLI or 8 sata ports". He doesnt even know how shitty product does he recommend

[Misanthrope]

2 minutes ago, dave_k said:

I absolutely hate trash youtubers like ScienceStudio who recommended MSI B350 Gaming Plus just because "it looks good" and said "ideal board for anyone who doesnt need SLI or 8 sata ports". He doesnt even know how shitty product does he recommend

Yeah I am not a big Salazar fan either: Some of his videos are ok but he often has a very tangible smugness to him, when he makes videos like "Let's mock craigslist vendors" it comes off as extremely condescending not just harmless fun poking.

[just_dave]

6 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

Yeah I am not a big Salazar fan either: Some of his videos are ok but he often has a very tangible smugness to him, when he makes videos like "Let's mock craigslist vendors" it comes off as extremely condescending not just harmless fun poking.

He thinks he is the smartest man in the universe but nah