7900X Coming In Hot?!

[done12many2]

12 minutes ago, AnonymousGuy said:

I try to limit myself to 1 shitpost per day

 

 

 

[done12many2]

 

9 minutes ago, Pohernori said:

I'd call 4Ghz plenty fast, I mean look at those CPUs the average prebuilt uses. But intel choose 4ghz+ CPUs to be sent out for review to show why it beats Ryzen for a reason. 

 

I'm pretty sure that considering the fact that Skylake X is based on a architecture known to overclock well, most CPUs will clock 4.5 and higher.  It doesn't take Intel sending out special chips to achieve this.  

 

 

 

34 minutes ago, Pohernori said:

So the only way to cool the 10 core Skylake X is in a custom loop with a thicc rad? 

 

37 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

Not at all.  If you want to run it at Ryzen type speeds (3.8 to 4 GHz), you'll be just fine with regular cooling methods.  

 

Big loops will be needed for the guys who want to push much higher clock speeds. 

 

9 minutes ago, Pohernori said:

And then someone tells me that running it at 3.9-4Ghz is enough for a CPU that's capable of 4.5Ghz. Wtf mang?

Custom loop or bust. 

 

I only said that 4 GHz was enough in response to your first post, which was inaccurate.  It will not require a "custom loop with a thicc rad" to cool a 10 core Skylake-X running at similar clockspeed to a Ryzen chip (3.8 to 4 GHz).  As a matter of fact it will still run faster then 4 GHz on an AIO, but I just aimed low.  

 

If you want to go a lot faster than a Ryzen chip, which Intel was nice enough to allow people to do, you will need better cooling.

 

I'm not sure that you can go much faster on a Ryzen chip even with a huge water loop.  They kind of just stop scaling up.  

[TahoeDust]

My personal hope is my 7820x running 4.8GHz under my h115i with 4 kick ass Noiseblocker fans...and staying under 80c.  4.8GHz is what I run my 2700k at normally...although I bench it at 5.2GHz.

 

I think it is going to take a pretty decent chip.

 

Fingers crossed.

[done12many2]

7 minutes ago, TahoeDust said:

My personal hope is my 7820x running 4.8GHz under my h115i with 4 kick ass Noiseblocker fans...and staying under 80c.  4.8GHz is what I run my 2700k at normally...although I bench it at 5.2GHz.

 

I think it is going to take a pretty decent chip.

 

Fingers crossed.

 

I'm rooting for ya bud. 

[VagabondWraith]

14 minutes ago, TahoeDust said:

My personal hope is my 7820x running 4.8GHz under my h115i with 4 kick ass Noiseblocker fans...and staying under 80c.  4.8GHz is what I run my 2700k at normally...although I bench it at 5.2GHz.

 

I think it is going to take a pretty decent chip.

 

Fingers crossed.

I've got Noctua Industrial 3000 rpm fans to tame the beast.  

[AnonymousGuy]

1 minute ago, VagabondWraith said:

I've got Noctua Industrial 3000 rpm fans to take tame the beast.  

I have the 2000 rpm versions for my hard drive racks.  They're loud as fuck, 3000 probably sounds like a Delta wind turbine fan.

[done12many2]

2 minutes ago, VagabondWraith said:

I've got Noctua Industrial 3000 rpm fans to tame the beast.  

You are out of your mind. I like it! 

[TahoeDust]

2 minutes ago, VagabondWraith said:

I've got Noctua Industrial 3000 rpm fans to tame the beast.  

Haha...I hate loud fans.  The Noiseblocker B14-ps fans that I am running are pretty awesome.  I would compare them to the 120mm Gentle Typhoon AP-15s that I ran on my h100.  I went throught A LOT of fans...Noctua, Phanteks, Corsair, NZXT, etc. before I landed on these.  They are pricey, but man do they move some are for the amount of noise they make.

[VagabondWraith]

6 minutes ago, AnonymousGuy said:

I have the 2000 rpm versions for my hard drive racks.  They're loud as fuck, 3000 probably sounds like a Delta wind turbine fan.

Oh yeah  I've got a fan controller for all 5 case fans. Usually 50-60% is good for performance load.  

 

 

[VagabondWraith]

4 minutes ago, TahoeDust said:

Haha...I hate loud fans.  The Noiseblocker B14-ps fans that I am running are pretty awesome.  I would compare them to the 120mm Gentle Typhoon AP-15s that I ran on my h100.  I went throught A LOT of fans...Noctua, Phanteks, Corsair, NZXT, etc. before I landed on these.  They are pricey, but man do they move some are for the amount of noise they make.

They can be loud, but DAMN do they move air! The NF-F12 is enough to keep my GPU temp at 31-32c at 80% fan speed. My pc at times sounds like a server room.  

[TahoeDust]

I am really curious how a 360mm AIO like the Thermaltake Water 3.0 with 6 x Gentle Typhoons would do compared to my H115i with the 4 Noiseblockers.  I would imagine it would have a very slight advantage.

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

24 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

I'm pretty sure that considering the fact that Skylake X is based on a architecture known to overclock well, most CPUs will clock 4.5 and higher.  It doesn't take Intel sending out special chips to achieve this.  

 

Hmmmmm?? Ah you have me wrong. I don't think I've mentioned intel had to cherry pick fast lottery winning chips to reviewers. The term 4Ghz+ would practically mean all of the Skylake X cpus(excluding ES) unless you're telling me not all can reach those speeds. I don't believe anyone will have a hard time going above 4ghz. With a custom loop of course  

 

25 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

I only said that 4 GHz was enough in response to your first post, which was inaccurate.  It will not require a "custom loop with a thicc rad" to cool a 10 core Skylake-X running at similar clockspeed to a Ryzen chip (3.8 to 4 GHz).  As a matter of fact it will still run faster then 4 GHz on an AIO, but I just aimed low.  

 

Hah well. As inaccurate as my sarcasm was, I don't think I've specified in my post what clock speeds the 10C skylake X chip is running at that it needs a "custom loop with a thicc rad".

 

31 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

If you want to go a lot faster than a Ryzen chip, which Intel was nice enough to allow people to do, you will need better cooling.

 

Don't know how Ryzen keeps getting pulled in here but yea, of course who wouldn't disagree that you'd need better cooling? 

A "custom loop with a thicc rad" sounds about enough for it  

 

51 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

I'm not sure that you can go much faster on a Ryzen chip even with a huge water loop.  They kind of just stop scaling up.  

 

Well no, If you have a chart that represents scaling on Ryzen there'd be a cliff at the end of right about 4.1Ghz. And there you'd need ln2.

 

 

 

 

[tom_w141]

4 hours ago, Pohernori said:

Don't know how Ryzen keeps getting pulled in here

That's the question we all keep asking  Thread about Intel thermals has got more AMD posts in it than Intel  

[JuztBe]

3 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

That's the question we all keep asking  Thread about Intel thermals has got more AMD posts in it than Intel  

Only natural. Happens with GPU discussions as well.

If you are talking about something in colsed enviroment then what's the point of it?

[tom_w141]

2 minutes ago, JuztBe said:

Only natural. Happens with GPU discussions as well.

If you are talking about something in colsed enviroment then what's the point of it?

Because the topic isn't cost or performance. Its thermals. If people discussed AMD thermals compared to Intel I'd get it, but I'm not sure why the topic of thread keeps getting avoided/shifted and a Ryzen performance discussion unfolds  

[JuztBe]

14 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

Because the topic isn't cost or performance. Its thermals. If people discussed AMD thermals compared to Intel I'd get it, but I'm not sure why the topic of thread keeps getting avoided/shifted and a Ryzen performance discussion unfolds  

They discussed it.. a bit, somewhere. 
Topic leans towards performance since it's relevant. It's not like we are completely offtopic, performance and thermals are both related.

[Taf the Ghost]

 

On the issue of heat. Testing at Stock. He hit a wall at 4.6 Ghz for his OC, as he says a few minutes later in the video.

[Taf the Ghost]

 

More discussion.  4.6 Ghz max OC again.  240mm Rad AIO.

[PCGuy_5960]

3 hours ago, Taf the Ghost said:

On the issue of heat. Testing at Stock. He hit a wall at 4.6 Ghz for his OC, as he says a few minutes later in the video.

I am pretty sure that power consumption is the issue TBH. An H100i can't handle 250-350W of heat!

[PCGuy_5960]

@tom_w141 So do you still think that AVX-512 is irrelevant? 

Yep, that's right, the 6 core 7800X is almost able to match the 10 core 6950X and is 13% better than the 8 core Ryzen 7 1800X

[tom_w141]

4 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

@tom_w141 So do you still think that AVX-512 is irrelevant? 

Yep, that's right, the 6 core 7800X is able to almost match the 10 core 6950X and is 13% better than the 8 core Ryzen 7 1800X

Can't disagree that it's not better but imo 3-5 fps is worth the safer temps. (I'm aware we don't know how hot the 7800X gets yet). But then again no where in this thread have I said the performance was not better.

 

Again performance discussion in a thermal thread is it that confusing? I can make an "HEDT X299 vs Mainstream Ryzen Performance" thread if you prefer?

[Sauron]

On 6/21/2017 at 9:19 PM, AnonymousGuy said:

Don't really care cause delidding anyawys.

 

Butttttt testing with close loop piece of shit AIO's is a turn off.  Put a custom loop on it so we can see the behavior on a more standardized "best case" cooling setup and then people can extrapolate downwards if they use an AIO.

Not everyone is going to bother with a custom loop and it's unreasonable to expect it as a given. It's not just a matter of price to performance ratio once you go for a custom loop because you have to factor in maintenance too, which many people can't be arsed with. A good AIO is what most people looking to buy something like this will probably be using, and the fact that it can barely handle the heat at a conservative overclock is a big downside of this chip.

[Deli]

16 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

I am pretty sure that power consumption is the issue TBH. An H100i can't handle 250-350W of heat!

Try using a 240 rad with 1080Ti. Oh ya, easily keeps the GPU below 45C.

[Taf the Ghost]

8 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

I am pretty sure that power consumption is the issue TBH. An H100i can't handle 250-350W of heat!

The basic reality is that the uplift between Broadwell-E and Skylake-E is a minor IPC gain and a massive Power->Output increase. I'd be really curious for some testing to see if Skylake-X actually uses more watts per clock because the efficiency drops as it goes into the 4 Ghz range. I'd be rather curious to see the power draw difference (adjusted for performance) at various clocks.  It'll tell us a bit of what to expect with the Skylake Xeons.

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, tom_w141 said:

Can't disagree that it's not better but imo 3-5 fps is worth the safer temps. (I'm aware we don't know how hot the 7800X gets yet).

The CPU is at stock  Remember, Skylake-X gets hot if you overclock it with more than 1.2V

1 minute ago, tom_w141 said:

Again performance discussion in a thermal thread is it that confusing? 

Deal with it