Pascal consumer = Maxwell on speed confirmed

[Agosto]

YouTube channel AdoredTV has conducted some tests about Pascal per-core performance, proving his former statement that consumer Pascal is basically Maxwell on steroids.

From this video we can see that the 980Ti has a slight advantage over the 1080 when running at the same clockspeed (due to the higher core count), while the two cards perform equally if their TFLOPS values are adjusted to the same level (achieved by severel downclocking the 1080 and slightly underclocking the 980Ti)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDaekpMBYUA

 

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[...] this was a sample choiche for NVIDIA; they already had the architecture with Maxwell. It was on 28nm and they had a massive efficiency leap. A simple thing to do was just shrink Maxwell and get the benefit from moving to 16nm FinFET; and that's pretty much what they have done, at least for their consumer GeForce cards.

There are obviously some advantages on the software side for Pascal, but this tests were all about performance per core, which is practically the same across the two architectures. That's also why AMD could have easily reached NVIDIA performance and efficiency wise this time (but it sadly failed).

 

 

p.s.: I hope this thread is ok for the guidelines, it's my first news topic

[don_svetlio]

We need to wait for Vega to say whether AMD failed or not - 480 was never meant to compete against the 1070/1080/980 Ti

[Nineshadow]

Well, yes, Pascal was mainly die shrink process after all, kinda like Intel's Tick.

[Agosto]

1 minute ago, don_svetlio said:

We need to wait for Vega to say whether AMD failed or not - 480 was never meant to compete against the 1070/1080/980 Ti

 

There's the 1060 too

And the 480 is on the same level of the 970, but uses more power while being on a smaller node... so it's pretty much a fail.

[Syntaxvgm]

7 minutes ago, Agost said:

(but it sadly failed).

It's only failed in theory, it will fail in practice soon, be patient 

 

(im a butthurt 1080 owner)

[don_svetlio]

Just now, Agost said:

 

There's the 1060 too

And the 480 is on the same level of the 970, but uses more power while being on a smaller node... so it's pretty much a fail.

Check the Sapphire Nitro under DX12/Vulkan compared to the 1060. It's 10-25% faster

[Dresta]

3 minutes ago, Agost said:

 

There's the 1060 too

And the 480 is on the same level of the 970, but uses more power while being on a smaller node... so it's pretty much a fail.

 

2 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

Check the Sapphire Nitro under DX12/Vulkan compared to the 1060. It's 10-25% faster

In a couple years when games adopt more VRAM and Vulkan,the RX 480 will crush the 970 to bits,but that does not matter since Nvidia will drop Maxwell just like they did Kepler since

 

Ngreedia

 

The was customers are played

[Agosto]

Just now, Syntaxvgm said:

It's only failed in theory, it will fail in practice soon, be patient 

What? I didn't mean failed on the economic side... it failed to deliver what I (and many others) expected from Polaris. I don't want AMD to fail, I really hoped for a good 480 in order to switch to AMD.

 

1 minute ago, don_svetlio said:

Check the Sapphire Nitro under DX12/Vulkan compared to the 1060. It's 10-25% faster

DX12 and Vulkan are still in their early stages, and the gains on these APIs on AMD cards are large because of DX11/OpenGL driver overhead/issues on the red side; Async is playing a very small role there. Pascal is still much more efficient

[don_svetlio]

Just now, Dresta said:

 

In a couple years when games adopt more VRAM and Vulkan,the RX 480 will crush the 970 to bits,but that does not matter since Nvidia will drop Maxwell just like they did Kepler since

 

Ngreedia

 

The was customers are played

If you check DF (they used a newer driver in the benches) - the 480 is closer to the 980 than the 970. (there is a comparison) and under DX12 the 480 gets a 20% boost whereas the 980/970 don't get shit. Vulkan - well - there's not even a fair comparison as the 480 just wrecks them

[TrigrH]

10 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

We need to wait for Vega to say whether AMD failed or not - 480 was never meant to compete against the 1070/1080/980 Ti

if I had to guess, I think it will win (since its a big 14nm die) but not on power efficiency which isn't a major issue given the target market for vega. 

[don_svetlio]

1 minute ago, Agost said:

What? I didn't mean failed on the economic side... it failed to deliver what I (and many others) expected from Polaris. I don't want AMD to fail, I really hoped for a good 480 in order to switch to AMD.

 

DX12 and Vulkan are still in their early stages, and the gains on these APIs on AMD cards are large because of DX11/OpenGL driver overhead/issues on the red side; Async is playing a very small role there. Pascal is still much more efficient

There are more than a dozen games out and dozens more on the way using DX12. Vulkan is yet to arrive in full force but DX12 is here. Sorry but Nvidia's Pascal is not ready for it. Volta likely will be.

[don_svetlio]

Just now, TrigrH said:

if I had to guess, I think it will win (since its a big die) but not on power efficiency which isn't a major issue given the target market for vega. 

Agreed - I doubt AMD will take back the efficiency crown (which they lost in 2010).

[TrigrH]

1 minute ago, don_svetlio said:

Nvidia's Pascal is not ready for it.

I think you mean Maxwell 3.0 16nm edition.

[Dresta]

Just now, don_svetlio said:

If you check DF (they used a newer driver in the benches) - the 480 is closer to the 980 than the 970. (there is a comparison) and under DX12 the 480 gets a 20% boost whereas the 980/970 don't get shit. Vulkan - well - there's not even a fair comparison as the 480 just wrecks them

Not to mention the RX 480 is STILL in its early stages,so maybe after it gets some big drivers it can get close to the 980 Ti,in DX12/Vulkan well,it becomes a complete other tier of GPU's

[Agosto]

Just now, TrigrH said:

I think you mean Maxwell 3.0 16nm edition.

That's the whole point of the topic

[don_svetlio]

1 minute ago, TrigrH said:

I think you mean Maxwell 3.0 16nm edition.

Which costs more money cause "More cache? MOAR CASH!"

[TrigrH]

Just now, Agost said:

That's the whole point of the topic

yes I watched the video darling

[TrigrH]

3 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

Which costs more money cause "More cache? MOAR CASH!"

The F*ckboy Edition is a premium design with the highest quality materials and unmatched cooling performance.(because its soo shit)

 

Id say its justified. /s

[Agosto]

2 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

Which costs more money cause "More cache? MOAR CASH!"

That's also why I was hoping for a beastly RX 480. NVIDIA can increase prices and people would still buy everything...

[don_svetlio]

Just now, Agost said:

That's also why I was hoping for a beastly RX 480. NVIDIA can increase prices and people would still buy everything...

1200$ Titan XP Fanboy Edition MASTER RACE!

[Bananasplit_00]

13 minutes ago, Agost said:

 

There's the 1060 too

And the 480 is on the same level of the 970, but uses more power while being on a smaller node... so it's pretty much a fail.

its about a 980 in preformance, and for $200, not a fail IMO

[Dresta]

1 minute ago, don_svetlio said:

1200$ Titan XP Fanboy Edition MASTER RACE!

The Titan XP is bad? lol look at there GTX Titan Z,its been like year and ITS STILL $3000,fucking Nvidia playing mind games 

[PerfectTemplar]

22 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

We need to wait for Vega to say whether AMD failed or not - 480 was never meant to compete against the 1070/1080/980 Ti

Evidently, it wasn't meant to compete with the 1060 either.

 

its about a 980 in preformance, and for $200, not a fail IMO

 

970* performance.

[Agosto]

Just now, don_svetlio said:

1200$ Titan XP Fanboy Edition MASTER RACE!

The Pascal-based Titan X will only be available on nvidia site, AFAIK. The 200$ price premium is both because of their advantage, both because... *speculation* confuse less informed consumers.

I'm pretty sure that there are lots of unsold Maxwell Titan Xs; some people will see them for 200$ less and buy them, and both nvidia and the retailers could empty their stocks.

[TrigrH]

Just now, Dresta said:

The Titan XP is bad?

no?

 

its the latest operating card from Winvidia.