Nvidia GTX 1080 and 1070 DispayPort Imcompatible with HTC Vive

[patrickjp93]

1 hour ago, DXMember said:

they are totally nVidia-biased, it says so right there on their web page:

 

Huh?! Tom's is one of the biggest AMD ass kissers on the web. The only one worse is AdoredTV.

[2FA]

3 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

Huh?! Tom's is one of the biggest AMD ass kissers on the web. The only one worse is AdoredTV.

Some examples please.

[samcool55]

Well that's annoying...

I can imagine it might be an even bigger issue in the future if future headsets require DP and the issue is indeed the GTX1070 and GTX1080 and not fixable with a driver update.

 

/s #PlannedObsolescence

[moderategamer]

1 hour ago, AresKrieger said:

I'm confused, why was this not mentioned already? Or am I just oblivious to VR issues since I have no intention of buying it. Granted you can still use HDMI, so at least it can work with the Vibe, but still I'm surprised this hasn't come up on the forum already.

 

1 hour ago, AresKrieger said:

It's likely fixable with drivers if the Display ports function fine with a TV, unless the vibe has some weird hardware quirk, it's just weird that this is the first we've heard of this.

Do it once and I put it down to a simple typo but twice! I start to think you actually believe that's what it's called come on man it's the Vive not the Vibe

[That Norwegian Guy]

39 minutes ago, michaelocarroll007 said:

Hes saying hook the Monitor up to the Displayport  so this wouldnt be a problem and Vive to HDMI since the Displayport to vive isnt working. and these cards HDMI is capable of more then 60FPS at 1440 i believe since they do 4k 60hz also 

Vive isn't 1440p, it's 2x 1440p, which is more resolution than 4K, no?

 

EDIT: Nevermind, it's sub-1440p total, I thought VR had reached maturity already, my bad

[Misanthrope]

LGR also had terrible compatibility issues with the Blu microphone and the vive. It seems to me like HTC is kinda rookie when it comes to PC hardware and didn't take into account mryads of conflicts but still, Nvidia should have caught this with as much enthusiasm as they plast the fucking box with VR logos.

 

Oh well I'll jump in on gen 2 or 3 once we can kinda sorta get all games to work with it anyway. The promise of Fallout 4 on VR seems tempting

Spoiler

mainly due to the porn mods

But not "spend 800 and fuck around with a bunch of adapters to get it to work" tempting.

[patrickjp93]

5 minutes ago, That Norwegian Guy said:

Vive isn't 1440p, it's 2x 1440p, which is more resolution than 4K, no?

3840*2160 = 8294400

5120*1440 = 7372800

 

So no, 4K is 12.5% more resolution than 2X QHD

[AresKrieger]

10 minutes ago, moderategamer said:

 

Do it once and I put it down to a simple typo but twice! I start to think you actually believe that's what it's called come on man it's the Vive not the Vibe

Lol, I didn't even notice

[NumLock21]

2 hours ago, AlwaysFSX said:

-snip-

While I agree with your 100% the product needs to work as intended, but if he wants to play with the HTC VIVE NOW (that's this very instant, not 1 hour later, tomorrow, or the year 2102). He has to think outside the box and do a work around for the time being, while Nvidia get that problem fix. Just because the 980Tii can and his 1080 cannot does not mean he can't play with his VIVE, He's just too fucking stupid to try other methods.

Another example:

He has to work today, but his car broke.

Person A would, either call a taxi or take mass transit

Person B (Him), instead of taking a cab or mass transit, he will just call his boss and say "uhh I can't come today, my car broke" and just stay home.

Oh and anyone here dreaming of becoming a tech, in the real world, that is building gaming computers while getting paid. Your must think outside the box and do work arounds, not be a stubborn ass person like that HTV VIVE person. If you can't, do that, don't even bother, cause you'll not last long.

And them GTX 980Ti VR edtion. the VR box only has HDMI, even the VR port in the back of gpu is HDMI too.

 

@michaelocarroll007

Nvidia GTX1080 has the following ports HDMI 2.0B, DP 1.4, and DVI.

DVI is like digital version of VGA, so no point talking about that. Now with HDMI 2.0B and DP 1.4

HDMI 2.0B can run 4K at 60Hz

DP 1.4 can run 4K at 120Hz and 8K at 60Hz. If HDMI does not support DSC, then HDMI 1.4 runs the same as HDMI 1.3, that's 4K at 120Hz, 5K at 60Hz, and 8K at 30Hz. As you can see DP 1.4 is far superior than HDMI 2.0. He will still get to enjoy his HTC VIVE.

 

[Bouzoo]

22 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

3840*2160 = 8294400

5120*1440 = 7372800

 

So no, 4K is 12.5% more resolution than 2X QHD

That is not true 4K, that's UHD, the so called 4K standard for TV .

4096*2160 =8847360is true 4K

 

[Misanthrope]

22 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

While I agree with your 100% the product needs to work as intended, but if he wants to play with the HTC VIVE NOW (that's this very instant, not 1 hour later, tomorrow, or the year 2102). He has to think outside the box and do a work around for the time being, while Nvidia get that problem fix. Just because the 980Tii can and his 1080 cannot does not mean he can't play with his VIVE, He's just too fucking stupid to try other methods.

Another example:

He has to work today, but his car broke.

Person A would, either call a taxi or take mass transit

Person B (Him), instead of taking a cab or mass transit, he will just call his boss and say "uhh I can't come today, my car broke" and just stay home.

 

Oh and anyone here dreaming of becoming a tech, in the real world, that is building gaming computers while getting paid. Your must think outside the box and do work arounds, not be a stubborn ass person like that HTV VIVE person. If you can't, do that, don't even bother, cause you'll not last long.

 

And them GTX 980Ti VR edtion. the VR box only has HDMI, even the VR port in the back of gpu is HDMI too.

I have to agree: I have an LG monitor: 19" and 720p and I specifically bought it several years ago cause it had HDMI input...which is just flatout broken.

 

Both my dead (well dying but besides the point) 290x and my 1070 have no analog outputs at all. What I ended up doing it is manually activating the Intel igpu on the motherboard and I run my secondary monitor off that.

 

So to sum up: Yes this is annoying. And Nvidia shouldn't be given a pass. But are we forgetting we're fucking PC gamers here? Ultimate thinkerers, builders of custom rigs, ghetto fix Ph.D. s?

 

Come on ppl.

 

[Daiyus]

13 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

I have to agree: I have an LG monitor: 19" and 720p and I specifically bought it several years ago cause it had HDMI input...which is just flatout broken.

 

Both my dead (well dying but besides the point) 290x and my 1070 have no analog outputs at all. What I ended up doing it is manually activating the Intel igpu on the motherboard and I run my secondary monitor off that.

 

So to sum up: Yes this is annoying. And Nvidia shouldn't be given a pass. But are we forgetting we're fucking PC gamers here? Ultimate thinkerers, builders of custom rigs, ghetto fix Ph.D. s?

 

Come on ppl.

 

I think there's elements of both. We are tinkerers. We pride ourselves on making things happen that shouldn't happen (everyone said I was mad PC gaming from my sofa five years ago). There's so many of us who do just like I did yesterday; "Damn, broke a pin on my USB 3.0 header. Oh well, I'll just grab an adapter and put it into the USB 2.0 header instead."

 

That said if I had spent over £1000 on a cutting edge GPU and VR Headset and they didn't work the way they were meant to? I'd be pissed too. Sure I'd find and use the workaround, but I'd still be a little peeved that I needed to do such a thing with that kind of investment.

[Misanthrope]

3 minutes ago, Daiyus said:

I think there's elements of both. We are tinkerers. We pride ourselves on making things happen that shouldn't happen (everyone said I was mad PC gaming from my sofa five years ago). There's so many of us who do just like I did yesterday; "Damn, broke a pin on my USB 3.0 header. Oh well, I'll just grab an adapter and put it into the USB 2.0 header instead."

 

That said if I had spent over £1000 on a cutting edge GPU and VR Headset and they didn't work the way they were meant to? I'd be pissed too. Sure I'd find and use the workaround, but I'd still be a little peeved that I needed to do such a thing with that kind of investment.

I'm kind of in the same boat yes, on the one hand this is a PC device and we're talking a new hardware launch for all products in question (10x0 and Vive). But on the other hand, it's fucking expensive I don't really know why Nvidia is taking their time to fix it (it's been known for a while actually)

[Syntaxvgm]

um, correct me if I'm wrong, but the vive is HDMI right? People do know passive adapters to go from DP to above 1920x1080 or 1920x1200 on HDMI or DVI-D typically don't work...right? 

The active adapters these days are cheaper, thankfully. 

[Sparviero]

1 hour ago, byalexandr said:

I feel like they deserve it given how much people hate AMD for no reason.

AMD sponsored dingoes stole my baby. 

[zMeul]

someone on reddit confirmed it works with a passive DP to HDMI adapter

so, it looks like there's some incompatibility with HTC's link box

[Suika]

52 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

 -rant snip-

Maybe you're not getting it.

 

Product is only partially compatible with other product, other product is to blame. Do we let the manufacturer of the other product twiddle their thumbs while we do the work ourselves, or do we realize we spent $400-700 on a GPU and another $800 on a headset and expect things so fucking expensive to work?

 

The problem isn't in the user. Yes, he can get around it, everybody and their grandmother should know this, but the product is not working as intended, so we ride the manufacturer until they fix it. Why do I need to exert extra effort for something that should be working the fucking first place?

[2FA]

10 minutes ago, Syntaxvgm said:

um, correct me if I'm wrong, but the vive is HDMI right? People do know passive adapters to go from DP to above 1920x1080 or 1920x1200 on HDMI or DVI-D typically don't work...right? 

The active adapters these days are cheaper, thankfully. 

Vive has HDMI as well as optional DP.

[Syntaxvgm]

9 minutes ago, DeadEyePsycho said:

Vive has HDMI as well as optional DP.

that explains a lot. How is the vive special then? It's like 2x1440p or something, DP should handle that..?

[The Benjamins]

11 minutes ago, zMeul said:

someone on reddit confirmed it works with a passive DP to HDMI adapter

so, it looks like there's some incompatibility with HTC's link box

does the box have DP in? I thought it was HDMI only

[NumLock21]

5 minutes ago, Suika said:

Maybe you're not getting it.

 

Product is only partially compatible with other product, other product is to blame. Do we let the manufacturer of the other product twiddle their thumbs while we do the work ourselves, or do we realize we spent $400-700 on a GPU and another $800 on a headset and expect things so fucking expensive to work?

 

The problem isn't in the user. Yes, he can get around it, everybody and their grandmother should know this, but the product is not working as intended, so we ride the manufacturer until they fix it. Why do I need to exert extra effort for something that should be working the fucking first place?

Explain to all of us, if you where that person, what are you doing to do?

[zMeul]

1 minute ago, The Benjamins said:

does the box have DP in? I thought it was HDMI only

the box has a mini DP in https://www.htcvive.com/us/support/howto/720433.html

[2FA]

4 minutes ago, Syntaxvgm said:

that explains a lot. How is the vive special then? It's like 2x1440p or something, DP should handle that..?

You can use one or the other?

[Suika]

6 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

Explain to all of us, if you where that person, what are you doing to do?

Complain to NVIDIA that my product is not working as intended, then wait for a fix or possibly return the GPU and wait for Vega.

[NumLock21]

3 minutes ago, Suika said:

Complain to NVIDIA that my product is not working as intended, then wait for a fix or possibly return the GPU and wait for Vega.

So you're going to run onboard graphics...with a VIVE