Nvidia Titan P at Gamescom

[laminutederire]

6 minutes ago, Stefan1024 said:

Yes, but if you can push them to buy two cards (1080 + a Titan 6 month later), Nvidia will profit even more.

Not bad perspective, but I don't see someone not being in the 5% richest people doing that.

[VagabondWraith]

This page is a good read. Of course its all rumors and should be taken as such.

 

- Word that Pascal Titan is 50%+ faster than GTX 1080.

- GP100/GP102 are essentially the same chip. Difference being NVLink and PCIe.

- The Titan has same display configuration as 1080/70, except the Titan rids itself of DVI.

- Might be either 8+8 pin, 8+6 pin, or both. Meaning 375w / 300w of power to play with.

- HBM2 memory clocked higher than the Tesla boards.

- With the Titan, you are now bound by the CPU. A 6950X will bottleneck a Titan, whereas a 6700K with its higher clocks will do better.

 

Again, all with a truckload of salt.

 

http://vrworld.com/2016/07/05/nvidia-gp100-titan-faster-geforce-1080/

[Stefan1024]

8 minutes ago, laminutederire said:

Not bad perspective, but I don't see someone not being in the 5% richest people doing that.

Only ~1% of the gamers buys a card as expensive as the Titan anyway, so a bug chink of the target group of this cards can afford such an double upgrade.

Also when it's really equiped with HBM2, I can see a lot (relatively speaken) of people upgrading from a 1080.

 

Quite a lot of people sold thier 980 to get a titan X.

[patrickjp93]

4 hours ago, Trixanity said:

One question: how?

 

If they can't supply enough GP104 chips, how will they be able to go ahead with a chip twice the size unless they plan to launch with a ridiculously low stock? 500-1000 cards world wide or so?

 

This is puzzling but will be interesting to see if this is true. 

Yields aren't the issue with GP 104. And the Titan/1080TI will have far lower demand than the 1080.

[laminutederire]

5 minutes ago, Stefan1024 said:

Only ~1% of the gamers buys a card as expensive as the Titan anyway, so a bug chink of the target group of this cards can afford such an double upgrade.

Also when it's really equiped with HBM2, I can see a lot (relatively speaken) of people upgrading from a 1080.

 

Quite a lot of people sold thier 980 to get a titan X.

Ahah and us peasants are looking at rx 480's and such because we're kinda poor

[Trixanity]

2 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

Yields aren't the issue with GP 104. And the Titan/1080TI will have far lower demand than the 1080.

Lower demand, yes, but still demand.

 

And what are the issues with GP104 then? It's still out of stock. It's been almost two months since it was unveiled (and over a month since it actually launched). 

[djsoggy1234]

They really had to call it the fucking Ttan P didn't they...

[Deli]

2 hours ago, Kloaked said:

No offense but people like you don't know where Nvidia's main profits come from. I'd put money on it not being Titan cards.

 

Why are you so worried about what someone else buys anyways? Are you also someone who gets butthurt when people say AMD CPUs are garbage?

Because it will have a knock on effect to the price of the lower tier cards. Nvidia s are willing to pay big buck for its GPUs. The Ti, 80, 70 and 60 series all get a price hike. We've already seen that happening. The 1080 is more expensive in the store than 980Ti.

 

Oh, not that MSRP BS again. I care what price the shops are selling, not the not delusional MSRP only exist on paper.

[dtaflorida]

5 hours ago, NovusBal said:

Because nobody has ever eagerly awaited AMD top products and bought them regardless of cost

More like:

"Because nobody has ever eagerly awaited AMD top products and bought them regardless of performance"

 

They just released the 480 which really brings nothing new in the realm of performance, but does bring better pricing. 

[Guest Kloaked]

3 minutes ago, Deli said:

Because it will have a knock on effect to the price of the lower tier cards. Nvidia s are willing to pay big buck for its GPUs. The Ti, 80, 70 and 60 series all get a price hike. We've already seen that happening. The 1080 is more expensive in the store than 980Ti.

 

Oh, not that MSRP BS again. I care what price the shops are selling, not the not delusional MSRP only exist on paper.

They have a price hike because the lack of availability. This happens literally all the time with any product with supplies are low and the only people who have them are shops who will overcharge for what they have. I'm not an economist but this is basic knowledge.

[Deli]

1 hour ago, Kloaked said:

They have a price hike because the lack of availability. This happens literally all the time with any product with supplies are low and the only people who have them are shops who will overcharge for what they have. I'm not an economist but this is basic knowledge.

The suggest retail price of 980Ti is $650, and $699 for the FE 1080. Almost no aftermarket card sold less than the FE price. Yeah, I'll say that's a price hike in practice.

[Guest Kloaked]

19 minutes ago, Deli said:

The suggest retail price of 980Ti is $650, and $699 for the FE 1080. Almost no aftermarket card sold less than the FE price. Yeah, I'll say that's a price hike in reality.

I didn't deny the price hike? Reread what I said.

[NumLock21]

Nvidia gpu profit comes from their entry to mid-range cards in the $150 to $250 dollar range. The $300 ones are borderline into the high-end, so it's still going to be expensive for some.

 

[Curufinwe_wins]

8 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

Nvidia gpu profit comes from their entry to mid-range cards in the $150 to $250 dollar range. The $300 ones are borderline into the high-end, so it's still going to be expensive for some.

 

I don't buy this one bit.

 

If Nvidia sells a 1070 for 349 dollars, you can be damn sure that isn't for a loss (even if margins are smallish), thus selling a 1080 for 699 dollars is insanely large profit margin.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure Nvidia sells more k600/m600 quadro cards than any other card in their entire lineup, and it probably makes the most total money, but I'd bet you anything they make much more total money on the GXX04 gpu than they do on the GXX06 variant.

 

ESP as referenced by the 970 being one of the most popular gpu's ever, and the 980ti being the first flagship class gpu to ever breach 1% steam ownership while being still flagship model (the 980 did so a month after GM200 released, while the 980ti did so a month before GP104 released).

[NumLock21]

2 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

I don't buy this one bit.

 

If Nvidia sells a 1070 for 349 dollars, you can be damn sure that isn't for a loss (even if margins are super small), thus selling a 1080 for 699 dollars is insanely large profit margin.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure Nvidia sells more k600/m600 quadro cards than any other card in their entire lineup, and it probably makes the most total money, but I'd bet you anything they make much more total money on the GX104 gpu than they do on the GX106 variant.

How many people do you think can afford a GTX 1070 or a GTX 1080. $350 may not be expensive for you or me, but to the rest out there it is. Quadro is on the workstation side and that's something else. For the consumer side, it's still the entry level to mid-range cards.

[Curufinwe_wins]

9 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

How many people do you think can afford a GTX 1070 or a GTX 1080. $350 may not be expensive for you or me, but to the rest out there it is. Quadro is on the workstation side and that's something else. For the consumer side, it's still the entry level to mid-range cards.

The k600/m600 is the baseline gpu seen in literally EVERY educational system (sold by HP/DELL/LENOVO) out there. (That is why it is definitely the highest number gpu.)

 

Steam survey seems to disagree quite a bit.

 

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

 

Twice as many 970s (which was around a 325-350 dollar card for most of its life) as 960s. 

 

EDIT: Sorry, 7.5% vs 5% Not twice, but 50% more.

 

Now yes, there are many non-gaming consumer systems steam can't capture, but the vast majority of those will be running igpu's so it doesn't matter.

[NumLock21]

2 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

The k600/m600 is the baseline gpu seen in literally EVERY educational system (sold by HP/DELL/LENOVO) out there. (That is why it is definitely the highest number gpu.)

 

Steam survey seems to disagree quite a bit.

 

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

 

Twice as many 970s (which was around a 325-350 dollar card for most of its life) as 960s. 

 

Now yes, there are many non-gaming consumer systems steam can't capture, but the vast majority of those will be running igpu's so it doesn't matter.

Steam survey only shows what the user submits. Not everyone out there has a Steam account or want to participate in the survey.

[Curufinwe_wins]

1 minute ago, NumLock21 said:

Steam survey only shows what the user submits. Not everyone out there has a Steam account or want to participate in the survey.

So magically you think the steam participation is going to account for a 50% difference?

 

Also, how many gaming systems do you know that don't have steam? 

[NumLock21]

9 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

So magically you think the steam participation is going to account for a 50% difference?

 

Also, how many gaming systems do you know that don't have steam? 

I don't know. Do you know?

If them quadro are part of those education system, then yeah, they probably make a chunk of the profit. For consumer side, it's the entry level cards that will make the other chunk too, especially those sold by OEMs. Not the customized self DIY built with them GTX 1070s.

 

[SLAYR]

Damn the gtx 1080 had a 180w tdp, and titan x had 250w tdp, but 375w is the max power that can be pulled with 2 eight pins and the mobo, so it might have the same issue with the rx 480 with to much draw off of the board.

[Briggsy]

4 minutes ago, SLAYR said:

Damn the gtx 1080 had a 180w tdp, and titan x had 250w tdp, but 375w is the max power that can be pulled with 2 eight pins and the mobo, so it might have the same issue with the rx 480 with to much draw off of the board.

Not likely. The 480x pulling more than spec from the slot is unprecedented. I think Nvidia can properly tune their rails.

 

Even the Rufy X with its 2x 8-pin config and high potential power draw was still barely touching the slot.

 

 

[Deli]

1 hour ago, SLAYR said:

Damn the gtx 1080 had a 180w tdp, and titan x had 250w tdp, but 375w is the max power that can be pulled with 2 eight pins and the mobo, so it might have the same issue with the rx 480 with to much draw off of the board.

The spec for the 6/8 pin cable and connectors are very conservative. The actual power they can safely handle is much higher. 250w easy per 6/8 pin connector, so 500w for two.

[Phoenix721]

I doubt HBM2 is ready and I doubt the card will be even able to use 6GB of HBM, let alone 12 and 16.

[patrickjp93]

2 hours ago, Trixanity said:

Lower demand, yes, but still demand.

 

And what are the issues with GP104 then? It's still out of stock. It's been almost two months since it was unveiled (and over a month since it actually launched). 

Unprecedented demand and likely wafer supply problems because of Apple and Qualcomm having priority. Nvidia already stated more 1080s have sold than the total sales of 980TIs.

[Guest Kloaked]

3 minutes ago, Phoenix721 said:

I doubt HBM2 is ready and I doubt the card will be even able to use 6GB of HBM, let alone 12 and 16.

What makes you say that