Are you tired of the miserable 30fps on Consoles? Cos the next PS4K and Xbox Scorpio will still be 30fps....

[JAKEBAB]

Not even mad about the fps, I played GTA V on my PC for the first time a couple weeks ago and i thought i was going to throw up, that never happens on my xbone. Graphics quality is a bit bs but wasn't unexpected considering how much power the consoles are going to have.

[Misanthrope]

16 minutes ago, Humbug said:

Microsoft does not dictate what framerate or resolution a game runs at.

They might as well do by setting up the specs of the system.

[AlTech]

23 minutes ago, That Norwegian Guy said:

Most 4K TVs (that people actually buy) are still 30hz, no? And even if they are marketed as higher, they're really just strobing?

No. Most are now 4K 60Hz. the older ones are 30Hz though.

[Misanthrope]

24 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

Yeah, I've run 4k on my 1080p screens (DSR), I can't tell the difference between it and regular 1080p ultra, other than the plummet I get in framerate with my 970.

 

And correct me if I am wrong, but the Xbone launched at $499, not $300

You're not really changing DPI why would you expect a difference?

 

Put a 27 inch 4k screen vs a 23 inch 1080p vs one another and because of the increased DPI you will see the 4k at lower detail look a lot better: as pretty as you can make the 1080p pixels looks there just isn't nearly as many of them.

[Master Disaster]

I genuinely surprised that any of you were expecting anything other than 4K 30?

 

That said I see no reason why it won't be capable of 1440p 60 as well. 

[Humbug]

1 minute ago, Misanthrope said:

They might as well do by setting up the specs of the system.

whatever specs they give a dev has to decide what to draw the line between performance and graphics. However much a GPU can draw at 60Hz, it will be able to do more at 30Hz. That holds true whether you are talking about an xbox 360 or a 980ti. The dev decides how to spend that horsepower in the console world.

[Sakkura]

43 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

Don't call them 4k consoles.

 

It's not going to happen. They will release, and they will be able to claim "technically it does run at 4k" but in reality it won't. It will more than likely be 4k downsampled (or whatever the term is) to 1080p.

 

Not to mention that most people don't have 4k tv's?

True... but there's still more 4K than "next gen" in these consoles. They'll have proper support for 4K playback, whereas games... probably some lo-fi games will run at true 4K30, but most will be upscaled from 1080p, 1440p or whatever. Honestly though, from couch distance 99% of people will not be able to see the difference.

 

Most people don't have 4K TVs, but they're actually getting fairly common out there. Or at least not rare, niche products.

[Misanthrope]

1 minute ago, Humbug said:

whatever specs they give a dev has to decide what to draw the line between performance and graphics. However much a GPU can draw at 60Hz, it will be able to do more at 30Hz. That holds true whether you are talking about an xbox 360 or a 980ti. The dev decides how to spend that horsepower in the console world.

Consoles are not PCs: console gamers expect a pretty significant jump in visual quality with a new console. As such, if you want your game to sell at all it pretty much has to look better than a 360 game. Given that needed increase in detail and the piss poor hardware they launched with nobody forces devs to dictate resolution and framerate but they pretty much have their hands tied in the matter.

 

You can continue to argue all you want that they're are nod technically pushed towards it but in the grand scheme of things that's very disingenuous, they can't pull fucking miracles out of shit specs.

[Master Disaster]

5 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

Consoles are not PCs: console gamers expect a pretty significant jump in visual quality with a new console. As such, if you want your game to sell at all it pretty much has to look better than a 360 game. Given that needed increase in detail and the piss poor hardware they launched with nobody forces devs to dictate resolution and framerate but they pretty much have their hands tied in the matter.

 

You can continue to argue all you want that they're are nod technically pushed towards it but in the grand scheme of things that's very disingenuous, they can't pull fucking miracles out of shit specs.

Naughty Dog continue to push miracles out of shit hardware, it's just a matter of spending the time to achieve the level of performance you want from your product. If your churning out a new title every 12 months then your hands are tied far more by the shareholders than the console manufacturers. 

[WiiManic]

Phil Spencer was talking about this a bit in the recent Giant Bomb Live! stream here.

The included time stamp is for the relevant question, which is basically,

 

Q: Is a dev forced to use the power for 4k or are they able to use the power how they feel necessary?

A: They can use it how they want. If they want to do a really high fiedlity scene at 1080p, then upscale to 4k thats fine.
There won't be a "You have to make it 4k" rule from MS.

 

Other bits that where interesting (to me at least from not knowing much about this console)

- Some existing games will play better on Scorpio. Halo 5 and more have dynamic resolutions, so when more is on screen the res drops to maintain 60FPS. With more power, you won't be dropping as much or at all.

- Every game will run on all 3 systems (One, One S, Scorpio), so no Scorpio exclusives.

[Master Disaster]

1 minute ago, WiiManic said:

Phil Spencer was talking about this a bit in the recent Giant Bomb Live! stream here.

The included time stamp is for the relevant question, which is basically,

 

Q: Is a dev forced to use the power for 4k or are they able to use the power how they feel necessary?

A: They can use it how they want. If they want to do a really high fiedlity scene at 1080p, then upscale to 4k thats fine.
There won't be a "You have to make it 4k" rule from MS.

 

Other bits that where interesting (to me at least from not knowing much about this console)

- Some existing games will play better on Scorpio. Halo 5 and more have dynamic resolutions, so when more is on screen the res drops to maintain 60FPS. With more power, you won't be dropping as much or at all.

- Every game will run on all 3 systems (One, One S, Scorpio), so no Scorpio exclusives.

Interestingly enough, there will be a "you must make a 720/960/1080p version" however. 

[SteveGrabowski0]

27 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

I genuinely surprised that any of you were expecting anything other than 4K 30?

 

That said I see no reason why it won't be capable of 1440p 60 as well. 

Crappy Jaguar cores are the reason it can't so 60 fps.

[AlTech]

1 minute ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

Crappy Jaguar cores are the reason it can't so 60 fps.

Actually it's the Jaguar cores and the GPU.....

 

 

[AlTech]

29 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

I genuinely surprised that any of you were expecting anything other than 4K 30?

 

That said I see no reason why it won't be capable of 1440p 60 as well. 

They've released 2 revisions/successors to the original CPU  cores.

 

There was Puma and recently Puma+. Both have higher IPC and faster performance.

 

and honestly the RX 480 die integrated into a GPU would be awesome as well as 16GB DDR4 RAM since the current models have 8GB DDR3

[Misanthrope]

37 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

Naughty Dog continue to push miracles out of shit hardware, it's just a matter of spending the time to achieve the level of performance you want from your product. If your churning out a new title every 12 months then your hands are tied far more by the shareholders than the console manufacturers. 

You actually bring a fair point: As games get higher production values more effort should be spent on far less frequent franchises. Churning out yearly installments only saturates the market AND decreases game quality. 

 

Some of the most successful games like gta V have rather long development  cycles so trying to make a lot of cash shouldn't be an issue either. 

[Notional]

What's the point of this circle jerking? It's a 6 TFlops GPU. You want this console to costs 2000$? Besides it's up to the dev to choose resolution and fps. What fps does the Witcher run on with GimpWorks on a 980? 13.2 fps?

[Dackzy]

[don_svetlio]

@AluminiumTech  Well, have to add something.

Xbox has 8GB DDR3 +256mb eDRAM
PS4 has 8Gb GDDR5

PS: regards to you and love to  @Ryan_Vickers

[ohitsluca]

3 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

If you're gonna make new consoles then make them 1440p 60fps consoles or 1080 60fps. No lowly 30fps......

Yes because there are so many 1440p Televisions out there... 

[NumLock21]

Why can you name your topic titles like a normal reporter like those from wsj or nyt instead from dm.

[Dackzy]

It is fine that it runs 30fps, as long as it is 30fps stable and not sometimes 20fps and then 35fps. If it is stable then it will look fine, you will just have to get a bit used to it.

It is still a bit sad.

[AlTech]

43 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

@AluminiumTech  Well, have to add something.

Xbox has 8GB DDR3 +256mb eDRAM
PS4 has 8Gb GDDR5

PS: regards to you and love to  @Ryan_Vickers

Actually that's not true......

 

Xbox has DDR3-2133 + 32MB eSRAM

[AlTech]

29 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

Why can you name your topic titles like a normal reporter like those from wsj or nyt instead from dm.

What did you wanted it to be named like?

[-BirdiE-]

1 hour ago, ohitsluca said:

Yes because there are so many 1440p Televisions out there... 

Right. Because you can only display things at a screen's native resolution. That must be why none of my old 1080p movies work on my 4K TV.

/s

[ohitsluca]

21 minutes ago, -BirdiE- said:

Right. Because you can only display things at a screen's native resolution. That must be why none of my old 1080p movies work on my 4K TV.

/s

Right. Because general consumers that have a 4K TV are a.) going to know that they can play 1440p games and b.) will be happy they get to have one more device with no 4K content

/s