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AMD Debunks negative rumors

Fulgrim
By Fulgrim
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15 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

But how can you make such a statement about the performance of a product that no reviewer has their hands on yet? The 1080 could suck balls, or it could be just as awesome as NVIDIA says. How can you judge them without seeing the numbers that would prove them wrong?

Because Nvidia employees have done benchmarks and there are 3D Mark benchmarks. it performs about 17% better then a 980ti. But in VR it performs double in certain games and not necessarily FPS. Just relative performance. We also have no scales on Nvidias graphs. They are just 1X and 2X. Also 2 980s in SLI and SLI is not 1:1 for performance 

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Thanks goodness! I don't want  to imagine nGreedia would be changing their prices and increase them to Polaris star.

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4 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

Because Nvidia employees have done benchmarks and there are 3D Mark benchmarks. it performs about 17% better then a 980ti. But in VR it performs double in certain games and not necessarily FPS. Just relative performance. We also have no scales on Nvidias graphs. They are just 1X and 2X. Also 2 980s in SLI and SLI is not 1:1 for performance 

I would take the 3D mark benchmarks, and the NVIDIA employee benchmarks all with a grain of salt. Don't believe anything until it's in the hands of reviewers that can all independently verify each other.

 

NVIDIA always releases graphs like that, so that's not exactly new, just PR talk.

 

So again, I'm not sure why you're upset about something that has not been independently verified and confirmed.

 

In any case, let's say those benchmarks are true, 17% better then a 980 Ti at $100 cheaper? Hell yeah! How is that a bad thing? And potentially up to double in certain VR games?

 

Again, not entirely sure what's upsetting you about these figures.

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9 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

I would take the 3D mark benchmarks, and the NVIDIA employee benchmarks all with a grain of salt. Don't believe anything until it's in the hands of reviewers that can all independently verify each other.

 

NVIDIA always releases graphs like that, so that's not exactly new, just PR talk.

 

So again, I'm not sure why you're upset about something that has not been independently verified and confirmed.

 

In any case, let's say those benchmarks are true, 17% better then a 980 Ti at $100 cheaper? Hell yeah! How is that a bad thing? And potentially up to double in certain VR games?

 

Again, not entirely sure what's upsetting you about these figures.

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980ti are around 600-650 dollars. That one is 619. The founder's edition (i.e. reference) 1080 is 699.

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3 minutes ago, Fetzie said:

http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Clocked-Graphic-06G-P4-4995-KR/dp/B00YDAYOK0/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1463097685&sr=1-1&keywords=gtx+980ti

 

980ti are around 600-650 dollars. That one is 619. The founder's edition (i.e. reference) 1080 is 699.

Don't think of the Founders Edition as a traditional Reference Edition. The price range on AIB coolers is going to range quite a bit, some will hit that $600 MSRP, and others will blow past $700+.

 

Still, those prices are relatively new, and are designed to blow out existing Maxwell Inventory. They don't want unsellable 980 Ti's sitting in warehouses and on shelves collecting dust, they want them sold and gone. I bet 980 Ti prices will drop even more over the next 4 months.

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16 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

Don't think of the Founders Edition as a traditional Reference Edition. The price range on AIB coolers is going to range quite a bit, some will hit that $600 MSRP, and others will blow past $700+.

 

Still, those prices are relatively new, and are designed to blow out existing Maxwell Inventory. They don't want unsellable 980 Ti's sitting in warehouses and on shelves collecting dust, they want them sold and gone. I bet 980 Ti prices will drop even more over the next 4 months.

I'll be surprised if 1080s cost any less than $700 at launch.

 

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1 hour ago, dalekphalm said:

I would take the 3D mark benchmarks, and the NVIDIA employee benchmarks all with a grain of salt. Don't believe anything until it's in the hands of reviewers that can all independently verify each other.

 

NVIDIA always releases graphs like that, so that's not exactly new, just PR talk.

 

So again, I'm not sure why you're upset about something that has not been independently verified and confirmed.

 

In any case, let's say those benchmarks are true, 17% better then a 980 Ti at $100 cheaper? Hell yeah! How is that a bad thing? And potentially up to double in certain VR games?

 

Again, not entirely sure what's upsetting you about these figures.

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8 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

Well I think my views have changed over the years now that I only buy the flagship stuff. I bet the Titan or 1080ti whatever it will be with HBM2 will excite me. Also seeing Vega a quarter early is making me happy

I also hope that the Vega rumours are true, and we see them hit in October with HBM2.

 

Ahhh the wait - it is almost over :P

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35 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

I also hope that the Vega rumours are true, and we see them hit in October with HBM2.

 

Ahhh the wait - it is almost over :P

I think the rumor mill says that there will be a Vega 10 and Vega 11: both with HBM2 :P

 

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36 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

I also hope that the Vega rumours are true, and we see them hit in October with HBM2.

 

Ahhh the wait - it is almost over :P

I am starting to get annoyed at Nvidia with all their horrible drivers that still don't work for me. 

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3 hours ago, SamStrecker said:

Because Nvidia employees have done benchmarks and there are 3D Mark benchmarks. it performs about 17% better then a 980ti. But in VR it performs double in certain games and not necessarily FPS. Just relative performance. We also have no scales on Nvidias graphs. They are just 1X and 2X. Also 2 980s in SLI and SLI is not 1:1 for performance 

1) 1x and 2x were used because they were relative numbers, since there is no standardized unit for general graphics performance. If you look at the chart, it shows a GTX 960 as a basline (i.e. 100% or 1x) and everything else is relative to that. The argument to be made is not "I don't understand the scales on the chart", but the fact that the chart is coming from nVidia's marketing department.

 

2) I would hardly trust the leaked 3D benchmarks. No one has any idea what state the drivers for the brand new card were in at that point or if they're actually real, so it really doesn't give us much information.

 

3) You are correct in saying that SLI scaling is not 100%, but last time I checked (about 2 years back) it was near 80% when it was supported. How valid is nVidia's claim that it is more powerful than 980s in SLI? Hard to say...

 

My point here is that instead of dismissing all the positive claims about the 1080, and embracing all negative rumors... You should probably wait for the benchmarks in a few days before making unsubstantiated claims like "The 1080 is garbage"

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7 minutes ago, zMeul said:

nVidia said it will be better than 2*980s in SLI and it appears to be - what's the problem!?

I was saying they throw around 2X when SLI doesn't perform 1:1 so you loose about 20% or performance

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7 minutes ago, zMeul said:

nVidia said it will be better than 2*980s in SLI and it appears to be - what's the problem!?

PR is still PR, can't trust a motherfucker until unbiased people test the cards.

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Just now, zMeul said:

quite curious: did anyone tried benching 2 980s in Ashes without SLI-ing them?

Oooo interesting. I don't think so. We should try this. By we I mean find a kid with 2 980s 

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1 hour ago, zMeul said:

pagin' Dr @LinusTech 

Ehh aots is a notoriously fickle and inconsistent bencher. Even if it is in many ways the best we have... 

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8 hours ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

What about moving up the launch of Vega to compete with nvidia?  That's a rumour... what do they say about that? :P 

We can only hope it's on schedule. It's vital that AMD keeps up the pace to win some of the market back. 

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4 hours ago, -BirdiE- said:

AMD's PR department says everything's fine? No way!

 

I hope everything is fine for AMD and everything goes well for them, but this is hardly solid evidence....

Yea and the rumor was based on solid evidence. Derp

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Dear AMD PR team,

 

Instead of comenting on stupid rumors, I have an idea FUCKING DO SOMETHING, anything even some stupid teaser. You really couldn't write out a lame "prepare to unleash the Fury!" timer on a website or something? You decide it's better to get into a fucking he said, she said match with trolls?

 

So fucking incompetent.  

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