Posted January 13, 2016 Because porn is not a thing, right? VR is not only for games, you know that, right? It is expensive as hell sure, but it is not pointless, you can be damn sure about that. Well it is not productive in any way. As i said, it can be cool in games but other than gaming? Porn? That's it? My Rig: AMD Ryzen 5800x3D | Scythe Fuma 2 | RX6600XT Red Devil | B550M Steel Legend | Fury Renegade 32GB 3600MTs | 980 Pro Gen4 - RAID0 - Kingston A400 480GB x2 RAID1 - Seagate Barracuda 1TB x2 | Fractal Design Integra M 650W | InWin 103 | Mic. - SM57 | Headphones - Sony MDR-1A | Keyboard - Roccat Vulcan 100 AIMO | Mouse - Steelseries Rival 310 | Monitor - Dell S3422DWG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 13, 2016 Well it is not productive in any way. As i said, it can be cool in games but other than gaming? Porn? That's it? Gaming is the main reason its being made and pushed, but the comments that they have made about GearVR suggests that its widely used for media consumption too. If you don't care about resolution as much, you can be watching it on a 100" screen or so. Social is also looking to be pretty big. Mix of games and social sounds really fun. Lets people play the games they used to play in person easily if they've all left their home town or stuff. And I've seen more productive uses of it too. The story that I liked the most was basically someone working at an Architect firm or something similar. He took the building they were making and then recreated it in full scale in Unity. This allowed him and all the team to have an idea of how the whole thing would look before its built. I think it then confirmed some design choices and actually altered others. I don't think I'd argue that its not very productive right now. I do however think that some industries are going to benefit wildly from it when the correct set of tools come out for them. Actually, I saw this yesterday too, its a sort of developer video behind the scenes of the Gallery, a big upcoming VR - exclusive game. Basically, they used the game they are making and allowed the voice actor to be in the scene as they record his lines. Combine that with the mocap suit he is wearing allowing him to move around the scene and his full body poses, its a really really cool thing in my opinion. Not just from a " They are using the game to develop the game" sort of way, but also just letting voice actors be in the environment in cases when its not possible (games, animations etc). CPU: 6700k GPU: Zotac RTX 2070 S RAM: 16GB 3200MHz SSD: 2x1TB M.2 Case: DAN Case A4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 13, 2016 I dont really mind the cost of VR right now, I want the best possible VR experience and if I have to dish out more money to do so, then so be it. Do I wish it was cheaper? Hell yes I do and it will get there eventually, but Im not willing to wait that long. I want it now and I will have it now My Sig Rig: "X79 (3970X) -Midas"http://pcpartpicker.com/p/wsjGt6" "Midas" Build Log - https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/59768-build-log-in-progress-code-name-midas/ "The Riddler" Custom Watercooled H440 Build Log ( in collaboration with my wife @ _TechPuppet_ ) - http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/149652-green-h440-special-edition-the-riddler-almost-there/ *Riptide Customs* " We sleeve PSU cables " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 13, 2016 The hype is that it's freaking amazing. Like, get lost just painting pictures in 3D space on the Vive for HOURS amazing.. It won't die, it's not pointless. It's just expensive right now. I won the 3D TV argument, and I'm already calling the same for VR. It will lose steam after they start launching at those prices. It won't die, but it won't be a common in-every-home kinda thing these companies are hoping for like game consoles are. I challenge you to a gentlemen's bet! I'll see you in a year Good Ser! (someone screenshot this...) All I know is that I had an Oculus for 1 week and even when sitting down to play single player games that did support the thing I ended up not using it because it's uncomfortable and a hassle, and not that much more immersive or interesting than my bog-standard monitor. VR could become great if there was a whole truckload of content made especially for it. But I would still do 95% of my gaming on a monitor, so the headset needs to cost 5% of my monitor to make sense. To be fair, those were dev kits so the comfort wasn't their biggest concern. It will probably feel better when released. I have glasses and tried both the vive and rift. The vive was somewhat comfortable but wearing oculus w/ glasses was irritating. (I also have a BIG ASS head) "Solus" (2015) - CPU: i7-4790k | GPU: MSI GTX 970 | Mobo: Asus Z97-A | Ram: 16GB (2x8) G.Skill Ripjaws X Series | PSU: EVGA G2 750W 80+ Gold | Case: Fractal Design Define R4 Next Build: "Tyrion" (TBA) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 13, 2016 I'm pretty sure $1000 CAN is my barrier to VR Intel 4670K /w TT water 2.0 performer, GTX 1070FE, Gigabyte Z87X-DH3, Corsair HX750, 16GB Mushkin 1333mhz, Fractal R4 Windowed, Varmilo mint TKL, Logitech m310, HP Pavilion 23bw, Logitech 2.1 Speakers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 13, 2016 -snip- VR could become great if there was a whole truckload of content made especially for it. But I would still do 95% of my gaming on a monitor, so the headset needs to cost 5% of my monitor to make sense. Let me say first I'm firmly in the 'if it costs half as much and I can try it out first I'd buy it' camp. But valuing it at 5% of a monitor because it has 5% of the functionality of a monitor is not fair. I have a Saitek X52 Pro HOTAS that I use for one game, it cost twice to three times as much as my mouse yet I use my mouse for every game I have. Should that piece of specialist hardware have been almost free to 'make sense' ? CPU - Ryzen 7 5800x3D | GPU - RTX 3080 TUF OC | Motherboard - ASUS TUF X570 | RAM - Patriot Viper Blackout 32GB 3200MHz | Case - InWin 805 | Boot Drive - Corsair MP600 PCIe 4.0 Storage - 2 x 1TB SSD's & 1 500GB SSD | PSU - Seasonic Focus Gold 1000w | Display - ASUS TUF VG27WQ Curved 1440P 165Hz | Cooling - ASUS TUF LC240 AIO + 5 aRGB Fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 13, 2016 Y'all need a big dose of context, he did said that but look 3 words after that to see that he knows the barrier of entry needs to drop, in other words there going to be making it great, then keeping that experience while reducing the entry barrier so it can go mainstream, which IMO is the best way to make it common, that's how a lot of tech went mainstream to begin with, like smartphones did. https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/40ea0x/i_am_palmer_luckey_founder_of_oculus_and_designer/cytjzqr this is one of the greatest thing that has happened to me recently, and it happened on this forum, those involved have my eternal gratitude http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/198850-update-alex-got-his-moto-g2-lets-get-a-moto-g-for-alexgoeshigh-unofficial/ :') i use to have the second best link in the world here, but it died ;_; its a 404 now but it will always be here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 13, 2016 snip VR certainly does have other productive uses, but can still be limited to adoption rate, software support (if game engines are the only thing supporting it, it may not be used in other productive areas), and the possible health hazard of using it for too long. I feel like AR can certainly do much better (when it becomes more refined) than VR in the other industries. snip Agreed. In reality, the Rift is technically two monitors that are aligned to make you feel like you're in the game. According to his theory, it technically should be 2x the costs of monitors, which is really not the direction I want the price going. I'd really prefer if they created two versions of the product, a high end one and a low end one for those who want to just try it out (like me). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 13, 2016 From "OMG it's pointless and dies" to "I have to check it out" in 1 second. Linus the magical, opinionchanging creature. It's why his company is successful: Youtubers and reviewers are cheaper to win over than normal press and have far reaching, very specific audience. ------- Current Rig ------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 13, 2016 I already have tested Oculus DK2 i have it at my work and it's crap! Computer users fall into two groups: those that do backups those that have never had a hard drive fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 13, 2016 Well you don't say that weak hardware is the barrier. Not to mention price of things... | Ryzen 7 7800X3D | AM5 B650 Aorus Elite AX | G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo RGB DDR5 32GB 6000MHz C30 | Sapphire PULSE Radeon RX 7900 XTX | Samsung 990 PRO 1TB with heatsink | Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360 | Seasonic Focus GX-850 | Lian Li Lanccool III | Mousepad: Skypad 3.0 XL / Zowie GTF-X | Mouse: Zowie S1-C | Keyboard: Ducky One 3 TKL (Cherry MX-Speed-Silver) | Beyerdynamic MMX 300 (2nd Gen) | Acer XV272U | OS: Windows 11 | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 13, 2016 If it wasn't so damn expensive, I could use the money I'm expected to spend on it right now on a better GPU or CPU to meet the actual requirements. Eien nante naito iikitte shimattar / Amarinimo sabishikute setsunai deshou Dare mo ga hontou wa shinjitai kedo / Uragirarere ba fukaku kizu tsuite shimau mono Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 13, 2016 Is my system crappy? 4770, GTX780 and 16GB RAM. And lol at the price, fuck off Palmer Lickey. I would never pay that price. DAC/AMPs: Klipsch Heritage Headphone Amplifier Headphones: Klipsch Heritage HP-3 Walnut, Meze 109 Pro, Beyerdynamic Amiron Home, Amiron Wireless Copper, Tygr 300R, DT880 600ohm Manufaktur, T90, Fidelio X2HR CPU: Intel 4770, GPU: Asus RTX3080 TUF Gaming OC, Mobo: MSI Z87-G45, RAM: DDR3 16GB G.Skill, PC Case: Fractal Design R4 Black non-iglass, Monitor: BenQ GW2280 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 13, 2016 I already have tested Oculus DK2 i have it at my work and it's crap! We are talking at the CV1 here, but okay... Is my system crappy? 4770, GTX780 and 16GB RAM. And lol at the price, fuck off Palmer Lickey. I would never pay that price. Nothing wrong with that system for 1080p gaming, newer games might stress it at the higher qualities. I have pretty much the same, except a second 780. Waiting on the new GPUs this year, might upgrade. Desktop Build Spoiler CPU: Intel Core i7-4770k CPU Cooler: CoolerMaster Hyper 212X Motherboard: ASUS Maximus VI Hero RAM: Corsair Vengeance Pro 1866MHz - 16GB GPU: ASUS GeForce GTX 780 - 3GB, MSI GeForce GTX 780 - 3GB Storage: Samsung 840 Pro - 128GB, Western Digital Blue - 1TB, Seagate Barracuda - 1TB, Seagate Barracuda - 3TB PSU: Silverstone Strider Plus 750W Display(s): Dell Ultrasharp 27" (2560 x 1440) Keyboard: Razer BlackWidow Ultimate 2014 Mouse: Logitech G502 Operating System: Windows 8.1 Laptop Spoiler Current CPU: Intel Core i7-4710HQ RAM: 16GB GPU: Nvidia GTX 970M Storage: Samsung 840 EVO - 250GB, Hitachi Travelstar 7K1000 - 1TB Display(s): 15.6" IPS Display (1920 x 1080) Mouse: Logitech G502 Operating System: Windows 8.1 Old - Given away CPU: Intel Core i7 2630QM RAM: 6GB GPU: Nvidia GT 540M Storage: Samsung 840 Pro - 128GB, Toshiba - 750GB Display(s): 15.6" Display (1366 x 768) Mouse: Logitech G502 Operating System: Windows 7 Other (Audio & Devices) Spoiler Speakers: Creative Gigaworks T40 Series II Headphones: Sennheiser Momentum - Over-Ear Bluetooth Speaker: Logitech UE Boom, Logitech UE Boom 2 Tablet: iPad 4th Gen Phone: LG G4 Phone Accessories: 3 Spare Batteries 1 Battery Pack (10000 mAh) IEMs: Can't Remember.... Retired Devices: Samsung S4 (Broke... Half Fixed, Given away) NDS (Traded in) iPod Touch 2nd Gen (Traded in) iPod Touch 4th Gen (Damaged Power Connector) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 13, 2016 Go get a better job, learn to save or quit bitching that you're in education and cant "come play" because your financial situation is below the minimal threshold to buy the product. So many people bitching because it requires highend this and expensive that. If you're wanting a seemless VR experience that's what it's gonna cost. Quit whining. Motherboard ROG Strix B350-F Gaming | CPU Ryzen 5 1600 | GPU Sapphire Radeon RX 480 Nitro+ OC | RAM Corsair Vengeance DDR4 3000MHz 2x8Gb | OS Drive Crucial MX300 525Gb M.2 | WiFi Card ASUS PCE-AC68 | Case Switch 810 Gunmetal Grey SE | Storage WD 1.5tb, SanDisk Ultra 3D 500Gb, Samsung 840 EVO 120Gb | NAS Solution Synology 413j 8TB (6TB with 2TB redundancy using Synology Hybrid RAID) | Keyboard SteelSeries APEX | Mouse Razer Naga MMO Edition Green | Fan Controller Sentry LXE | Screens Sony 43" TV | Sound Logitech 5.1 X530 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 13, 2016 Go get a better job, learn to save or quit bitching that you're in education and cant "come play" because your financial situation is below the minimal threshold to buy the product. So many people bitching because it requires highend this and expensive that. If you're wanting a seemless VR experience that's what it's gonna cost. Quit whining. Some people just can't afford, so don't hate on them for that. Don't compare your situation with others. The main problem with this whole thing was that we were told a price and it turned out to be double it. Sure most of us knew it wasn't going to be that price, but still bad communication for along time can bring quite a bit of hate. Desktop Build Spoiler CPU: Intel Core i7-4770k CPU Cooler: CoolerMaster Hyper 212X Motherboard: ASUS Maximus VI Hero RAM: Corsair Vengeance Pro 1866MHz - 16GB GPU: ASUS GeForce GTX 780 - 3GB, MSI GeForce GTX 780 - 3GB Storage: Samsung 840 Pro - 128GB, Western Digital Blue - 1TB, Seagate Barracuda - 1TB, Seagate Barracuda - 3TB PSU: Silverstone Strider Plus 750W Display(s): Dell Ultrasharp 27" (2560 x 1440) Keyboard: Razer BlackWidow Ultimate 2014 Mouse: Logitech G502 Operating System: Windows 8.1 Laptop Spoiler Current CPU: Intel Core i7-4710HQ RAM: 16GB GPU: Nvidia GTX 970M Storage: Samsung 840 EVO - 250GB, Hitachi Travelstar 7K1000 - 1TB Display(s): 15.6" IPS Display (1920 x 1080) Mouse: Logitech G502 Operating System: Windows 8.1 Old - Given away CPU: Intel Core i7 2630QM RAM: 6GB GPU: Nvidia GT 540M Storage: Samsung 840 Pro - 128GB, Toshiba - 750GB Display(s): 15.6" Display (1366 x 768) Mouse: Logitech G502 Operating System: Windows 7 Other (Audio & Devices) Spoiler Speakers: Creative Gigaworks T40 Series II Headphones: Sennheiser Momentum - Over-Ear Bluetooth Speaker: Logitech UE Boom, Logitech UE Boom 2 Tablet: iPad 4th Gen Phone: LG G4 Phone Accessories: 3 Spare Batteries 1 Battery Pack (10000 mAh) IEMs: Can't Remember.... Retired Devices: Samsung S4 (Broke... Half Fixed, Given away) NDS (Traded in) iPod Touch 2nd Gen (Traded in) iPod Touch 4th Gen (Damaged Power Connector) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 13, 2016 Some people just can't afford, so don't hate on them for that. Don't compare your situation with others. The main problem with this whole thing was that we were told a price and it turned out to be double it. Sure most of us knew it wasn't going to be that price, but still bad communication for along time can bring quite a bit of hate. I'm not hating their situation, just the fact they are bitching about "costs" etc when their pc can't even run it smoothly. It's like this new car coming out with all this never-seen-in-a-car tech aimed that those who can drive above and beyond most normal people (ei top end rigs), finding out it costs more than initial wording then bitching you want it for less when you know u have the shittest motor skills and hand-eye coordination which makes you more likely to drive it into a stationary brick inbetween blinking than a straight line (ie: "crappy rig"), thus making the overall enjoyment of the car a waste of money and time. So what if it costs more, its not like there's 100+ grade AAA+ titles waiting for you lot to play. Save. Motherboard ROG Strix B350-F Gaming | CPU Ryzen 5 1600 | GPU Sapphire Radeon RX 480 Nitro+ OC | RAM Corsair Vengeance DDR4 3000MHz 2x8Gb | OS Drive Crucial MX300 525Gb M.2 | WiFi Card ASUS PCE-AC68 | Case Switch 810 Gunmetal Grey SE | Storage WD 1.5tb, SanDisk Ultra 3D 500Gb, Samsung 840 EVO 120Gb | NAS Solution Synology 413j 8TB (6TB with 2TB redundancy using Synology Hybrid RAID) | Keyboard SteelSeries APEX | Mouse Razer Naga MMO Edition Green | Fan Controller Sentry LXE | Screens Sony 43" TV | Sound Logitech 5.1 X530 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 14, 2016 We are talking at the CV1 here, but okay... Nothing wrong with that system for 1080p gaming, newer games might stress it at the higher qualities. I have pretty much the same, except a second 780. Waiting on the new GPUs this year, might upgrade. It does run GTAV really great at 1080p60 with h/vh settings. 780 is still a beast. DAC/AMPs: Klipsch Heritage Headphone Amplifier Headphones: Klipsch Heritage HP-3 Walnut, Meze 109 Pro, Beyerdynamic Amiron Home, Amiron Wireless Copper, Tygr 300R, DT880 600ohm Manufaktur, T90, Fidelio X2HR CPU: Intel 4770, GPU: Asus RTX3080 TUF Gaming OC, Mobo: MSI Z87-G45, RAM: DDR3 16GB G.Skill, PC Case: Fractal Design R4 Black non-iglass, Monitor: BenQ GW2280 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 14, 2016 I am a stundent, with limited money, my PC has 3570k and 7970 GHz edition. below the recomended specs, and I am still going to buy Oculus, not right now, but probably Q3 or Q4 this year, before I upgrade my computer in any way. Everything is about prioritizing, if you have the money for a 800€+ computer (mine was around 1200€ 2 years ago), you can afford Oculus Rift if you want to. When new tech comes out, its always expensive, and often it isnt that good. But Oculus Rift, is new tech that is cheap and great for what it is, its new tech. If you dont want it for the price you can buy it for, then wait, until the tech is better and cheaper, or get a worse and cheaper product. Simple as that. HTC Vive and Playstation VR is going to be more expensive than Oculus Rift, mark my words. “Remember to look up at the stars and not down at your feet. Try to make sense of what you see and wonder about what makes the universe exist. Be curious. And however difficult life may seem, there is always something you can do and succeed at. It matters that you don't just give up.” -Stephen Hawking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 14, 2016 I am a stundent, with limited money, my PC has 3570k and 7970 GHz edition. below the recomended specs, and I am still going to buy Oculus, not right now, but probably Q3 or Q4 this year, before I upgrade my computer in any way. Everything is about prioritizing, if you have the money for a 800€+ computer (mine was around 1200€ 2 years ago), you can afford Oculus Rift if you want to. When new tech comes out, its always expensive, and often it isnt that good. But Oculus Rift, is new tech that is cheap and great for what it is, its new tech. If you dont want it for the price you can buy it for, then wait, until the tech is better and cheaper, or get a worse and cheaper product. Simple as that. HTC Vive and Playstation VR is going to be more expensive than Oculus Rift, mark my words. If you end up waiting till Q4, I reckon it would be better to wait for the new year and see how some of the new devices look. Cause that way you don't have to save up again and will get the latest tech. Desktop Build Spoiler CPU: Intel Core i7-4770k CPU Cooler: CoolerMaster Hyper 212X Motherboard: ASUS Maximus VI Hero RAM: Corsair Vengeance Pro 1866MHz - 16GB GPU: ASUS GeForce GTX 780 - 3GB, MSI GeForce GTX 780 - 3GB Storage: Samsung 840 Pro - 128GB, Western Digital Blue - 1TB, Seagate Barracuda - 1TB, Seagate Barracuda - 3TB PSU: Silverstone Strider Plus 750W Display(s): Dell Ultrasharp 27" (2560 x 1440) Keyboard: Razer BlackWidow Ultimate 2014 Mouse: Logitech G502 Operating System: Windows 8.1 Laptop Spoiler Current CPU: Intel Core i7-4710HQ RAM: 16GB GPU: Nvidia GTX 970M Storage: Samsung 840 EVO - 250GB, Hitachi Travelstar 7K1000 - 1TB Display(s): 15.6" IPS Display (1920 x 1080) Mouse: Logitech G502 Operating System: Windows 8.1 Old - Given away CPU: Intel Core i7 2630QM RAM: 6GB GPU: Nvidia GT 540M Storage: Samsung 840 Pro - 128GB, Toshiba - 750GB Display(s): 15.6" Display (1366 x 768) Mouse: Logitech G502 Operating System: Windows 7 Other (Audio & Devices) Spoiler Speakers: Creative Gigaworks T40 Series II Headphones: Sennheiser Momentum - Over-Ear Bluetooth Speaker: Logitech UE Boom, Logitech UE Boom 2 Tablet: iPad 4th Gen Phone: LG G4 Phone Accessories: 3 Spare Batteries 1 Battery Pack (10000 mAh) IEMs: Can't Remember.... Retired Devices: Samsung S4 (Broke... Half Fixed, Given away) NDS (Traded in) iPod Touch 2nd Gen (Traded in) iPod Touch 4th Gen (Damaged Power Connector) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 14, 2016 If you end up waiting till Q4, I reckon it would be better to wait for the new year and see how some of the new devices look. Cause that way you don't have to save up again and will get the latest tech. I dont know how long I will wait,at least going to wait until the pre order is over and its not sold out. but if something new is announced, that looks like its going to be better for the same price that Rift is now, then I will wait. right now, Oculus would cost me 750€. and right now thats most of what I have. best case senario, the dollar stops being strong, and my local currency (NOK) stops being week like it is now, and then get back to the normal, then Oculus will be 20-30% cheaper in my currency. some of me doubt thats gonna happen tho. “Remember to look up at the stars and not down at your feet. Try to make sense of what you see and wonder about what makes the universe exist. Be curious. And however difficult life may seem, there is always something you can do and succeed at. It matters that you don't just give up.” -Stephen Hawking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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