What about Water Cooling M.2s?

[josh_pham]

I know Linus Media Group has a history of wacky Water Cooling ideas, maybe this could be a future bit on the channel. 
Check out this video comparing the Samsung 950 Pro and 951. You can see the thermal throttling at work on the 950.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3GlInzvHr8

 

[TheRandomness]

Will happen, don't worry.

[skyress3000]

A more practical idea would be just glueing a heatsink on, but why not watercool it? If it throttles it sounds plausible to me

[CarterDavison]

[Juanse]

There's no place to actually hook it up, and if smasung believes there's no need for it to run cooler

[skullrebell]

I know Linus Media Group has a history of wacky Water Cooling ideas, maybe this could be a future bit on the channel. 

Check out this video comparing the Samsung 950 Pro and 951. You can see the thermal throttling at work on the 950.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3GlInzvHr8

 

 

so, its not that simple, when watercooling an interneal peice of hardware it needs to have mounting holes for a block to be attached, and m.2 drives dont, which means you need a custom pcb, which is basically a brand new m.2 drive in it self,also, water cooling storage drives is pointless.

[Enderman]

water cooling storage drives is pointless.

i think you dont understand the main point of watercooling

[The Official Czex]

lel

 

My 950 PRO doesn't throttle because it uses the motherboard tray/PSU shroud as a heat dissipater. Thanks, BitFenix.

[josh_pham]

Just a wacky idea guys. 

 

 

A more practical idea would be just glueing a heatsink on, but why not watercool it? If it throttles it sounds plausible to me

 

Good point, this route is a lot more attainable. 

 

so, its not that simple, when watercooling an interneal peice of hardware it needs to have mounting holes for a block to be attached, and m.2 drives dont, which means you need a custom pcb, which is basically a brand new m.2 drive in it self,also, water cooling storage drives is pointless.

 

Maybe, maybe not. But just like PCI Express extensions -- these do exist for M.2.

[airdeano]

pcper did a thermal test with direct airflow vs no air flow and found no degraded

performance output on read/write. thoughts were that if you were file transferring

24/7 at full bus speed, the thermals do get quite hot with no airflow, but again, no

degradation of performance. in a consumer environment, there is no concerns of

thermal issues (won't be hammering the drive). in a commercial workload could

see the temperatures, but the system builder should provide adequate ventilation

for a non-issue state (using consumer drives in enterprise is not a good practice).

[skullrebell]

 

I know Linus Media Group has a history of wacky Water Cooling ideas, maybe this could be a future bit on the channel.
Check out this video comparing the Samsung 950 Pro and 951. You can see the thermal throttling at work on the 950.

 

Also the ambient temperatur isnt revealed in any of the documents on their site, acording to their thermal readings the device before the test starts is at 64 Celcius, which is about 147 Farenheight, leading me to think these tests arent reputable.

 

 

i think you dont understand the main point of watercooling

 

to get better performance and lower temps, by adding more blocks to the look and thus more tubing, it adds more friction and heat, you cant overclock a storage device, so you get no more performance, and by adding more material to the loop you make it so the temperature of the loop, is higher.

 

Just a wacky idea guys.
Good point, this route is a lot more attainable.
Maybe, maybe not. But just like PCI Express extensions -- these do exist for M.2.

how do you attach a water block to a cpu socket or a gpu, with mounting holes, i have yet to see a m.2 drive with mounting holes on it.

[josh_pham]

Also the ambient temperatur isnt revealed in any of the documents on their site, acording to their thermal readings the  device before the test starts is at 64 Celcius, which is about 147 Farenheight, leading me to think these tests arent reputable.

 

 

...If you look closely at the video, the reader does not move, and a computer is already on.

[kameshss]

Was looking at this page earlier.

 

https://shop.ekwb.com/ek-fc-i750-ssd

 

Waterblock for Intel 750 series SSD PCIe.

[skullrebell]

...If you look closely at the video, the reader does not move, and a computer is already on.

yes the computer is on, and if its on, they should have had it idling, which a computer shouldn't be idling at 64C

[Enderman]

to get better performance and lower temps, by adding more blocks to the look and thus more tubing, it adds more friction and heat, you cant overclock a storage device, so you get no more performance, and by adding more material to the loop you make it so the temperature of the loop, is higher.

 

no

 

the point of watercooling is to build something unique and different from others that also looks good/cool

its a hobby

 

people looking to get more performance use phase change or LN2 which is far better than watercooling

 

the amount of performance increase per dollar you dump into a watercooling loop is insignificant

 

anyone building a watercooling loop for "more performance" is completely wasting their money

[Tagiau]

Just give it a few more months. EK will release something because they want to be impractical.

[Clear17Mud]

Just a wacky idea guys. 

Good point, this route is a lot more attainable. 

Maybe, maybe not. But just like PCI Express extensions -- these do exist for M.2.

wait your telling me I can use the m.2 on the back of the asrock z97e-Itx/ac...

[CarterDavison]

SNIP

I think you're basing this hugely on opinion.

 

Everybody does it for different reasons.

[The Official Czex]

I think you're basing this hugely on opinion.

 

Everybody does it for different reasons.

 

OK. They either want their system to look nicer or they think it'll make their system perform much better.

[TheRandomness]

so, its not that simple, when watercooling an interneal peice of hardware it needs to have mounting holes for a block to be attached, and m.2 drives dont, which means you need a custom pcb, which is basically a brand new m.2 drive in it self,also, water cooling storage drives is pointless.

Or just attach the waterblock through the screw at the end as well as thermal pads? The adhesive should be enough

[boarder2k7]

Just grab one of these and a few zip ties or double sided thermal tape to hold it on.

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=261682974745&alt=web

Edit: or end fittings for between cards and such http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=321324863204&alt=web

[BrightCandle]

Its currently not actively cooled at all so simply attaching a small heatsink on it will reduce the temperature markedly. Although a lot of sites have said the performance drops and blamed thermal throttling I suspect based on pcper's testing that actually the drive either maintains some known free and fast blocks to write to or else its writing to RAM on board and its not actually as quick on sustained transfers regardless of its temperature.

[josh_pham]

Or just attach the waterblock through the screw at the end as well as thermal pads? The adhesive should be enough

 

I think so. To clarify, we're not looking at longevity here -- just a test or proof of concept. m.right?

[Enderman]

I think you're basing this hugely on opinion.

 

Everybody does it for different reasons.

no, its not an opinion, its a fact

the performance you get per dollar by custom watercooling is far below that of upgrading the computer hardware itself

 

AiOs are a bit different since you can get those for very cheap, but a custom loop is about aesthetics and cool factor

 

not about the extra 200MHz overclock you can get to give you 3 more fps

 

its about having something special in your PC thats different from most people, like customizing a car or furnishing your house

[CarterDavison]

 

not about the extra 200MHz overclock you can get to give you 3 more fps

Except enthusiastic overclockers or extreme overclocks, an extra 10-20c drop can mean a world of difference.

 

For example, Maxwell benefits from being under a certain temperature and thus will overclock much higher meaning higher 24/7 clocks and higher clocks for benches resulting in superior HWBOT submissions.

 

You can't think from just a "this is everyones opinion and this is fact"

 

There are plenty of gains from watercooling to be had.