Microsoft planning to be a bit more aggressive about the Windows 10 free upgrade next year (for Win7/8 users)

[suicidalfranco]

If i buy the actual WinX box, full price, 200€, am i out of the "nothing is free" bandwagon and get an advertise free, data collection free, telemetry free experience?

[LAwLz]

If i buy the actual WinX box, full price, 200€, am i out of the "nothing is free" bandwagon and get an advertise free, data collection free, telemetry free experience?

No, unless you get the Enterprise version and tweak the settings.

[minibois]

That's so stupid. I just want to stick to Windows 7 still.

I paid for this OS, so I don't think it's acceptable to just invade my OS like that. 

[Bsmith]

wondering how they are going to do this on systems that aren't supported anymore by their OEMs.

[Counter-Strike Player]

...why do you care about the tracking...

 

This video explains that question:

 

 

If you're looking to disable the win10 upgrade offer in the future, I've made a small guide how to do so: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/446503-hate-windows10-and-never-want-to-be-bugged-about-installing-it-ever-again-then-follow-this-easy-guide/?p=5984840

[eldergeek]

No, not until the os isn't shitty, forced updates, excessive tracking features, if vulcan does well enough to allow me to avoid having to get dx12 I'll never upgrade.

 

You understand the Microsoft have way, way more money to throw into DX12 development and...More pointedly...Marketing than AMD and the Linux foundation combined - right?

[suicidalfranco]

No, unless you get the Enterprise version and tweak the settings.

well that really sucks then :mellow:

maybe i can get enterprise from my Alma... been a long time since i checked their store page

[AresKrieger]

 

You understand the Microsoft have way, way more money to throw into DX12 development and...More pointedly...Marketing than AMD and the Linux foundation combined - right?

What does amd have to do with it, they made mantle which is the base of both api's code, they haven't contributed much more than that, also it's the khronos group backing Vulkan not specifically linux, which has finacial support from Google, Amazon, Valve, Blizzard, Nintendo, IBM, Adobe, etc, hell microsoft even gave them money, doubt they will continue that but it's still funny.

[Delicieuxz]

Here we go again: Telemetry data collection has nothing to identify you or have anything of value, beside Microsoft for improving their product. The same for Firefox, Chrome, and about any large web site you visit just to scratch the surface.

That's what Microsoft says, to defuse opposition to their tracking. Microsoft also says that telemetry is associated with an anonymous ID - which itself is associated with a specific license, which is associated with a specific owner.

 

Also, Microsoft state clearly that their data collection includes contents of emails and documents which pass through their services - and Microsoft says it will use the content it scans at its discretion.

 

That "improving their product" line is largely PR. It includes selling your usage habits to third parties, devising which advertisements to show you in the Start menu and Windows store, etc. Tailoring ads for you is "improving their product".

[Delicieuxz]

The faster people switch to W10, the better. I'm rather sick of seeing PCs at work that hasn't been updated in years. What happens when the customer accidentally runs an update and downloads 186 updates? 

"OMG internet is so slow wtf"

"wtf is this updating shit I just want you to shut down ffs"

 

You have no idea how much better forced updates will make things. Over 70% of issues related to booting is due to customers being impatient and force a shutdown mid-update. JUST LEAVE IT BE FOR ONCE, HOLY SHIT JESUS MANG MY HEART CAN ONLY TAKE SO MUCH

This isn't an argument for forced updates. On earlier Windows systems, automatic updates can be turned on if wanted. And forced updates doesn't prevent people from shutting down their PC mid-update, it just presents the opportunity for that to happen where people otherwise didn't update at all.

[LAwLz]

Images is not the content (text) of your images.

PhotoDNA is an automated process, which goes through each images and finds images like child pornography and such given to Microsoft by police officers. No one physically checks your images, and PhotoDNA doesn't classify you. PhotoDNA was developed in association with National Center for Missing & Exploited Children, and is being used by Twitter, Facebook, and Google, among many other (I believe over 55 companies or so, if I recall correctly).

This is like postal services in many countries, probably yours too, where they check mail for illegal substances, bombs, and so on using machines that scans mails without opening them.

PhotoDNA does not use any information to identify you, but will raise a flag to authorities if you have an image of child abused that have been flagged by authorities, child pornography and so. Basically, it check through every images for a match, and also can use facial recognition to identify a child reported to be abused. If a flag is raised, this is the only time a physical person can view your image, to make sure that this is not a false detection, and an investigation can be underway if it is a match. That also means that an warrant is needed to check the rest of your content.

So if you don't call scanning things such as photos you send and compares them against a database as "checking", what do you call it? I think you need to look up the word "check" in a dictionary.

Microsoft is, by definition, checking your email because they use PhotoDNA. To "check" something is defined as "examine (something) in order to determine its accuracy, quality, or condition, or to detect the presence of something". That is exactly what Microsoft are doing. They are examining your email in order to detect the presence of something. That is what "check" means, and they are doing it. Microsoft are checking your emails.

 

You said they don't check your emails, but they do. Now you are trying to backpedal and say that it's not a person manually checking the emails but that's not what you originally claimed. Here is your original claim:

Also, Microsoft isn't checking your e-mail. The company remains proud of that.

 

and now you are saying:

Basically, it check through every images for a match, and also can use facial recognition to identify a child reported to be abused.

 

So according to your own post, Microsoft checks emails sent through their servers and run facial recognition on them to identify people who might be in the photos. That's very different from the "they don't check your emails" you claimed on the previous page.

 

 

Stop lying. They do check your emails. How much and thoroughly they check them is up for debate, but it is a lie to say they don't do it at all.

[GoodBytes]

You postal service also checks your email then. They also use hand writing recognition to know where to send the mail. It can be used to track a specific handwriting to match someone.

They also check, as mentioned, content for illegal substances. Yet, you claim that you have complete privacy. You don't, you have the same level with Microsoft (equivalent).

 

Google in other hand checks your e-mail, for targeted ads, which it links with your name directly. It doesn't matter if you lie, people emailing will use your name and can 'correct' the name from that in their side. That is having no privacy, and That is private information, that Google sales, and someone has your name, where you live, your interest, when you check you email, or in front of a computer, if you use Chrome. And can know what searches and sites you consider really private, to go under igonito mode and so on. That is having no privacy. That is tracking personal information.

 

See the difference? Telemetry data vs actually being tracked.

 

Not my problem if you can't differentiate the 2, and doesn't mean you can't, that I am lying.

[LAwLz]

You postal service also checks your email then. They also use hand writing recognition to know where to send the mail. It can be used to track a specific handwriting to match someone.

They also check, as mentioned, content for illegal substances.

Yep, I know.

 

Yet, you claim that you have complete privacy. You don't, you have the same level with Microsoft (equivalent).

No I didn't. I never said anything even remotely similar to that. What I said was that opening someone else's mail is punishable with prison time. I never claimed to have complete privacy with the postal service. Hell the people at customers are even allowed to open my mail. Ordinary people are also allowed to open it under certain conditions.

 

 

Google in other hand checks your e-mail, for targeted ads, which it links with your name directly. It doesn't matter if you lie, people emailing will use your name and can 'correct' the name from that in their side. That is having no privacy, and That is private information, that Google sales, and someone has your name, where you live, your interest, when you check you email, or in front of a computer, if you use Chrome. And can know what searches and sites you consider really private, to go under igonito mode and so on. That is having no privacy. That is tracking personal information.

Nice red herring. Instead of admitting that you were wrong about Microsoft checking peoples' emails you change the subject to how bad Google is.

 

 

See the difference? Telemetry data vs actually being tracked.

 

Not my problem if you can't differentiate the 2, and doesn't mean you can't, that I am lying.

I know the difference, but I am confused as to why you are even bringing that up. That's not what the discussion was about.

You said:

Also, Microsoft isn't checking your e-mail. The company remains proud of that.

and then a few posts later you said:

No one physically checks your images, and PhotoDNA doesn't classify you.

-snip-

Basically, it check through every images for a match, and also can use facial recognition to identify a child reported to be abused.

 

First you said they don't check your emails, and then when I prove you wrong you backpedaled because you realized what you said earlier was not true.

 

 

I knew this was going to be your response which is why I said:

How much and thoroughly they check them is up for debate, but it is a lie to say they don't do it at all.

 

 

The definition of a lie is: "a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood".

We already know that what you said was a false statement since you backpedaled and even in your own post called what Microsoft is doing to "check" emails. Judging by your post history regarding Microsoft I think it is fairly safe to say that you made the statement with the intention of deceiving people. Therefore what you said was a lie. If you did not intend to deceive people then you post was simply unintentional misinformation.

Anyway, Microsoft do check your mail. Like I said before, how much and thoroughly they check it is up for debate (right now only Microsoft knows). They might not have any malicious intentions with their checks either. But the fact that they check your emails, to some degree, is not up for debate. They do it.