Should we support AMD?

[AresKrieger]

but what will the law do about it when noone wants to buy AMD? will they force us to buy AMD?

No, in the case of a monopoly the company that is a monopoly gets broken apart so there would be two intels, also amd has a rabid fanbase so as long as they can weather their current debt they'll live, and if they can't a company will likely buy them out for certain patent technology and patent rights though not x86 as intel's deal with amd is only with amd and is void in the event of purchase.

[Dabombinable]

A quick google states that 25 million combined have been sold

And in terms of profit, that's not much.

[jjohnthedon1]

And in terms of profit, that's not much.

I don't no how much they make per console but it will be more than a pound,

Amd also have the pre built budget market cornered in England as most none enthusiast will buy from PC world and 80 percent of there PCs are amd,

Amd won't die

Worst case is Microsoft or Sony will buy them out to make console parts

[mikat]

I don't no how much they make per console but it will be more than a pound,

Amd also have the pre built budget market cornered in England as most none enthusiast will buy from PC world and 80 percent of there PCs are amd,

Amd won't die

Worst case is Microsoft or Sony will buy them out to make console parts

look up on google "amd loses millions"

[paprikman]

I would, but why should I suffer for their happiness?

[Dabombinable]

look up on google "amd loses millions"

Or "AMD bleeds money"

[Dabombinable]

As much of an AMD-fanboy that I am, no, you should not support AMD because they are the underdog right now. Buy whatever product that is suitable for your needs. They have to be the ones to build superior products and entice us customers to buy them. 

Which they did with their CPU right until the last Phenom II. Their graphics cards however while aging still are good value to a certain extent.

[daniellearmouth]

Yeah, but what about the newer/better versions afterwards?

 

A good designer designs the system.

A great designer allows others to continue work after the fact.

 

That's my philosophy. Keller's work is done, so he's leaving it to manufacturing and R&D to continue development in the event that skews will be made of Zen.

[Indus Monk]

i say we should bcoz they give us a price-cut on their GPU's quite often

[daniellearmouth]

As for whether or not one should support a company that is doing poorly......there's only so much that will work.

 

THQ, for instance. They had crazy debts and couldn't afford to keep going, to the point where their Humble Bundle didn't save them.

 

Also, one should prioritise usefulness and fitness for purpose over corporate issues. If you need and AMD product, get an AMD product. If you need Intel, get Intel. If you need NVIDIA, get NVIDIA.

[BrightCandle]

So much of buying a GPU is not just getting it but all the driver updates that make games work and run well. Its always been a big point of argument between people who buy Nvidia and AMD as to how much this matters but if AMD was likely to go bankrupt within the next year then buying a GPU would be a bad idea, because without the company developing software for it then it would rapidly become obsolete. I don't think this is necessarily going to happen but even getting bought out would disrupt their day to day operations and could impact on this critical aspect of GPU development.

[MEC-777]

Since AMD is in a lot of trouble at the moment,

should we consider buying Radeon Graphics or AMD Processors, in order to support them back up, and boycut Nvidia a bit?

 

Because if AMD falls too low, Nvidia will own the market, and can possibly skyrocket its prices.

 

Stupid thought?

 

Can this happen? Why? Why not?

 

Please add your thoughts :lol:  :lol:

 

It's not a matter of "should we support them". I'm not an advocate of buying products for the simple sake of supporting the company. However, if the products they produce are worthy of purchase and are not inferior (are actually the best you can buy at a give price point) they I would fully recommend supporting them.

 

As for AMD, their CPUs currently fall short of the mark in most scenarios, though there are some cases where their APUs and CPUs are a better choice where budget, form factor and usage are determining elements. Their GPUs at most price points are excellent choices which match or exceed the performance of the competition in a number of areas. 

 

So yes, we should support AMD, but only if the product in question is actually a good product. Ultimately; buy what is best for you that suits your needs and budget at the time of purchase, regardless of brand.

[PaulKolby]

i wish amd was decent but their not.............    lol

[App4that]

Wow is the fandom strong with this topic. Who care which is on your GPU or CPU? Did you get your money's worth? That's the question.

[jackm1120]

We should buy the best products for your needs, regardless of AMD, Intel, or Nvidia. Yes, competition is quite important, but I don't believe taking pitty on a company that isn't doing its job. Its survival of the fittest, and that's what we should support.  AMD has some good techknology that companies would be eager to aquire should AMD fall.

 

I think there latest launch of GPUs really did not do much for them.  I think what they have done with HBM is quite cool, but setting up themselves up to be an enthusiast choice was a big mistake. The FuryX is cool, don't get me wrong, its just for a very small class of people who want tiny PCs, where personally, as an enthusiast I like my cards to be heavy, long and thick, like my dick. Nothing shorter than 10.5 inches.

[App4that]

We should buy the best products for your needs, regardless of AMD, Intel, or Nvidia. Yes, competition is quite important, but I don't believe taking pitty on a company that isn't doing its job. Its survival of the fittest, and that's what we should support. AMD has some good techknology that companies would be eager to aquire should AMD fall.

I think there latest launch of GPUs really did not do much for them. I think what they have done with HBM is quite cool, but setting up themselves up to be an enthusiast choice was a big mistake. The FuryX is cool, don't get me wrong, its just for a very small class of people who want tiny PCs, where personally, as an enthusiast I like my cards to be heavy, long and thick, like my dick. Nothing shorter than 10.5 inches.

Are you judging the GPU based off the reference? Because in the mid to mid/high price point AMD owns it. Low end depends on the model and region. High end is all Nvidia

[Prysin]

if AMD lied about 40% more ipc ( over a10 7850k ) then no

 

if they didnt lie, that means it will be up there with i7s

its 40% over Carrizo... a product that is designed 100% for LAPTOPS...

 

in theory, it should be 55% over A10 7850k seeing as Carrizo is supposed to be 15% higher IPC then Kaveri (A10 7850k)...

Please, atleast get THIS simple thing straight.

[Sauron]

You should buy what you think is a good product. It just so happens that amd's gpus are better offerings than nvidia's pretty much across the board with the exception of the 980ti and gtx 950.

[Clyne]

its 40% over Carrizo... a product that is designed 100% for LAPTOPS...

 

in theory, it should be 55% over A10 7850k seeing as Carrizo is supposed to be 15% higher IPC then Kaveri (A10 7850k)...

Please, atleast get THIS simple thing straight.

Since it's moving to 14/16nm, i would also expect it to be more power efficient and gain more IPC anyway...

[Coaxialgamer]

Personnaly i think i shouldnt have to take supporting a company into consideration when buying hardware.

But i would gladly support their gpu department as the radeon lineup is awesome.

[don_svetlio]

You should buy what you think is a good product. It just so happens that amd's gpus are better offerings than nvidia's pretty much across the board with the exception of the 980ti and gtx 950.

Pretty much this - their 300 series are very solid and have already earned them back some market share. I guess they do this thing where every other generation of GPUs is awesome and the one in between poop. Example

3000 series was solid

4000 series was meh

5000 series was solid

6000 series was meh

7000 was solid

R9 200 were meh

R9 300 are solid

Expecting the R9 400 to be crappy and the R9 500 to be good. That seems to be the trend.

With Nvidia it's more random.

the 8000 series were solid

the 9000 series were 1:1 rebrands

the 200 series I think were okay. Not sure

Their 400 series were crap

their 500 series were good

their 600 series were good

the 700 series were meh (much like AMD - the 680 became the 770, the Titan became the 780, the 640 became both the 730 and 740 - the only new chip was the 780 Ti/Titan black and the 760 (750 and 750 Ti came later)

their 900 series are now losing to AMD with the exception of the 980 Ti and 950

a lot more random

[Edgar R. Zakarian]

don_svetlio, on 25 Sept 2015 - 3:35 PM, said:

Why? it did for Nvidia? Nobody mentioned it then, everyone rolled with it. Why should AMD's case be any different? People who bought the 8800 GTX just swapped a Bios and got a 9800 GTX. But Nvidia locked SLI and stuff cause "WE SAY NO!". Sorry but Nvidia are just as guilty of this as AMD.

Couldn't really find anything on people flashing 8800 GTX to 9800 GTX

- I looked cause I own a 8800 GTX and would like it to run cooler+better as the 9800 GTX does.

[Dabombinable]

Couldn't really find anything on people flashing 8800 GTX to 9800 GTX

- I looked cause I own a 8800 GTX and would like it to run cooler+better as the 9800 GTX does.

You could get a Geforce 6200 running like a Geforce 6800 without a bios mod.....

[Atmos]

Nvidia can't have the full market due to US anti-trust laws, same goes for intel

 

Sadly not true. I once worked closely with a family friend who works in anti-trust investigations for the government, and sadly the power they have is trivial until a major problem occur, or the blatant monopoly over a commodity becomes so painful to the consumer that it can no longer be ignored. Nvidia, and intel atm technically both dominate the market, making up respectively +70% and +80% of the share. By all means these companies could control 90% of the market and still have no actions taken against them, though that would constitute too powerful a hold on any given commodity. Coupled with neither of the companies wanting to expand much further without AMD being around, because they already control too much of the market. 

 

Basically, the government can't do anything until serious, serious problems start, and even when they do start the government can still ignore it for some time. And that's even if serious problems start in the first place. intel is already backing away from expanding their market in fear already of action being taken against them, which is why you see such a major focus on slower, less "impressive" launches, only really focusing on getting out updates to their lineups, never really a whole revamp.

[Edgar R. Zakarian]

Dabobminable, on 28 Sept 2015 - 08:35 AM, said:

You could get a Geforce 6200 running like a Geforce 6800 without a bios mod.....

So how do I do that with 8800 GTX?