Sapphire R9 Fury revealed

[DEDRICK]

Wasn't that already known?

 

Nope, we only had what Lisa said at E3.  She said the difference is the cooler, which left everyone wondering if that was all that was different.

[ivan134]

You also have to remember that now, more than ever, people are more concerned with noise, temperatures and efficiency (not so much efficiency, but it's becoming more of a thing). 

 

That being said, in order to keep a high-performance GPU running cool and quiet under full loads requires a some what over-sized and over-designed cooler. With many cards (look at the Gigabyte G1, for example) the coolers seem like major over-kill at stock clocks, but overclocking is also becoming very common. Overclocking brings along with it significantly more heat output. 

 

With regards to running a 290 on a 500w PSU - what can be done and what is ideal/recommended are two different things. 

 

This is with an i7 4690x overclocked to 4.2 Ghz. What exactly do you need more than an extra 120W for?

[MEC-777]

Nope, we only had what Lisa said at E3.  She said the difference is the cooler, which left everyone wondering if that was all that was different.

 

It was speculated at the E3 launch, that the Fury (non-X) would be a cut-down Fiji, even though Lisa didn't come out and say it. Also, not too long ago (maybe last week I think) leaks revealed Fiji Pro (Fury non-X) existed. So we pretty much already knew this was coming.  

[ivan134]

I'm honestly waiting to see what MSI does with the Fury. As someone else pointed out in the jayz2cents 390 thread, their current gaming cooler is as robust as their lightning cooler they used for the r9 200 and gtx 700 series. That shows me that they are making money and are willing to pass on the savings to the consumer by bring selling such a high tier cooler at a mainstream price.

[Humbug]

This is with an i7 4690x overclocked to 4.2 Ghz. What exactly do you need more than an extra 120W for?

Most of the time it's not the wattage that's the problem. Nobody is saying that 500watts of power is insufficient. They're saying that many 500 watt PSUs are. Every PSU is different in terms of efficiency and amperage.

[Notional]

Looking at the back side, there appears to be support material there already (the black bar pattern). It's probably more rigid that it looks. Sapphire doesn't tend to skimp on their coolers/card designs. Not from the last generation or two on their high-end stuff anyways.

 

I don't doubt the quality, it's more of an aesthetical thing for me. 

[martlart]

Lol, they spelled Vulkan wrong in the product features.

 

Still, I love how to mentioned Vulkan before DX12. I wish DX12 was less hyped so that people would realize that Vulkan is better for everyone except M$.

[MEC-777]

-snip-

 

This is with an i7 4690x overclocked to 4.2 Ghz. What exactly do you need more than an extra 120W for?

 

Take a look at the article. I strongly recommend everyone read it as I found it to be very informative and interesting, to say the least. 

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/graphics-card-power-supply-balance,3979.html

 

That 381w the 290 is pulling on that chart doesn't tell the whole story. There are instances where the card actually pulls way more at very brief moments during operation at load. If you're using a 500w PSU, those load spikes can and will exceed the max capacity of that PSU. These conditions over time will take it's toll on the PSU (it's regulatory components) and eventually, quite possibly other components in your system as well. These load spikes, not many people are aware of and it's not picked up conventional testing methods.  

 

Allowing for ample headroom is not just a practice in being overly cautious, it is (IMO) a necessary step in ensuring the longevity and stability of your system. 

[ivan134]

Take a look at the article. I strongly recommend everyone read it as I found it to be very informative and interesting, to say the least. 

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/graphics-card-power-supply-balance,3979.html

 

That 381w the 290 is pulling on that chart doesn't tell the whole story. There are instances where the card actually pulls way more at very brief moments during operation at load. If you're using a 500w PSU, those load spikes can and will exceed the max capacity of that PSU. These conditions over time will take it's toll on the PSU (it's regulatory components) and eventually, quite possibly other components in your system as well. These load spikes, not many people are aware of and it's not picked up conventional testing methods.  

 

Allowing for ample headroom is not just a practice in being overly cautious, it is (IMO) a necessary step in ensuring the longevity and stability of your system. 

I would also use a 550W with a 290 because I have also been conditioned that way, but a spike of 120+ W is quite the exaggeration.

[LBJ]

Only this is actually a new cooler: what they had was the tri x and vapor x which are granted, not small, but not this massive. It is possible however, that they designed this one for the 390 and 390x and just recycled it for the Fury but again, if you're recycling a design why not recycling the nice and elegant one and not the so-massive-it-will-sag-and-not-fit-90%-of-cases cooler

Tri-x length 305mm. This model of Fury is 306mm.

 

Woah. Massive difference. 

 

Not sure why people are freaking out about the length. There will be plenty of other options that will be shorter (sapphires cards were the longest last generation after all), not to mention the R9 Nano. 

[blu4]

lol that pcb

yea- imagine the thermal dissipation of that thing!

[SkilledRebuilds]

yea- imagine the thermal dissipation of that thing!

Yeah I figure 2/3 great 1/3 almost useless.?

 

/The third section could be cooled enough by the middle fan if channeled to go that way via the metal fins.

IMO, I would have released it the same, but covered the open'ness of that end,..

 

Even it if performs, the perception that it may not,.. is all it takes to not get a sale.

[MEC-777]

I would also use a 550W with a 290 because I have also been conditioned that way, but a spike of 120+ W is quite the exaggeration.

 

Not an exaggeration, but a possibility. Take a look at the spikes observed over 1ms.

 

 

You've got a draw of just under 250w on average with spikes up to 350w and that's just looking at the PCIe draw. 

 

The PSU is the heart of a PC. Perhaps the single most important component. I can't follow the mentality of using a PSU that's just "good enough" in terms of capacity that doesn't leave much headroom for future upgrades and additional components etc. 

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying to go completely overboard on your PSU (using 1000w where 550w will be more than sufficient). But I would not recommend anything less than 550w for a single 290 and it would have to be a high-quality unit at that. 

[Bsmith]

wait, is that 2 slot card 3 slot cooler?!?!

[Diederik_Gr]

wait, is that 2 slot card 3 slot cooler?!?!

2 slot, but it'll block the 3th slot for sure.

[Megahurt]

I might be wrong, but I see a problem with distributing all that radiator weight on a short PCB

 

Well with their nitro series cards, they made the cooler rigid and a structural part of the card, so they wouldn't need a backplate for rigidity.

[marldorthegreat]

Would that extension not benefit from being more open? As it would allow for better airflow? 

[Misanthrope]

Tri-x length 305mm. This model of Fury is 306mm.

 

Woah. Massive difference. 

 

Not sure why people are freaking out about the length. There will be plenty of other options that will be shorter (sapphires cards were the longest last generation after all), not to mention the R9 Nano. 

 

The 290 and 290x cards were significantly longer because of the vram and such. This one it's mostly empty fucking space as seen on the pictures of like 1/3rd of the fucking cooler floating off the PCB.

 

It could be that they just didn't redesign shit though and without the shroud it's basically the same cooler that now looks stupid on such a smaller pbc so partially conceded.

[CoolaxGaming]

Now just to waitr for the lightning edition...

[CoolaxGaming]

The market is trending towards micro ATX and mini ITX. There's a good reason the Fury Nano was the most exciting thing at the reveal. I disagree with your assessment of why people want bigger cards.

I disagree.

People clappped for the 390x, fury and fury X. BUT no one clapped at the fury nano. Su had to hold it up awkwardly

[ivan134]

Now just to waitr for the lightning edition...

MSI's current gaming cooler is basically a lightning cooler. I honestly don't see how they could make a more robust cooler.

[othertomperson]

crossfire is not a solution. ever.

 

Depends. Until the 980 Ti was released dual 970s made more sense than a 980. Two 780s made more sense than a 780 Ti, and two 290s made more sense than a 290X. The second-best card is usually similar enough to the best, with a considerable enough price difference, that SLI/CF of that is usually the best option for price to performance.

[CoolaxGaming]

MSI's current gaming cooler is basically a lightning cooler. I honestly don't see how they could make a more robust cooler.

It's not about the cooler. The lightning is so well respected because of its custom pcb design.

I really don't give 2 shits about the cooler . I just have to slap a water block onmit.

[ivan134]

I disagree.

People clappped for the 390x, fury and fury X. BUT no one clapped at the fury nano. Su had to hold it up awkwardly

I'm talking about internet reactions. Why the hell would the 390x be exciting? The Fury Nano and that machine with the dual Fiji card inside were the most exciting things about that reveal.

[ZetZet]

Depends. Until the 980 Ti was released dual 970s made more sense than a 980. Two 780s made more sense than a 780 Ti, and two 290s made more sense than a 290X. The second-best card is usually similar enough to the best, with a considerable enough price difference, that SLI/CF of that is usually the best option for price to performance.

two 290s never made more sense than a 290x. they were always much more expensive. Same with other options, if you spend 20-40% more you should expect better results. We are talking same price here.