Asus starts industry's first fully-automated graphics card production

[Clyne]

At least use the money to fix your horrible Asus US costumer service........but that will never happen because these big companies want profit. 

[Jerakl]

At least use the money to fix your horrible Asus US costumer service........but that will never happen because these big companies want profit. 

If it ain't broke don't fix it.

 

Except "broken" to these companies means not functional at all.

 

Not helpful at all? Horrible to interact with? Oh that's fine!

[patrickjp93]

So this means Asus is going to pass on the savings, right? Without those pesky employee wages, Asus is saving a ton on production costs, they could easily drop the price of their GPUs by about $50 each. This is such a great thing, because Asus totally wouldn't use this as an excuse to charge us more for the same products that they are paying less to manufacture, right? Asus totally wouldn't try to cover up simultaneously screwing over hundreds of workers and their entire consumer base with a publicity stunt, right? That would just be crazy talk. I'm sure glad Asus is our friend and not trying to fish more money out of my wallet!  :unsure:

Asus, like every firm in monopolistic competition, will price what the market will bear and retain the savings for a rainy day. Seriously people, businesses are not charities. Once you show you're willing to pay at a certain price point, companies will sell at that price point as long as possible before dropping prices. Profit maximization trumps pretty much everything.

[SansVarnic]

Nice story.  There is a reason why the Motor City is hardly the Motor City anymore.  Also companies are all about profit.  More and more they are offering people dead end jobs and eliminating jobs.  Seriously if I want to boycott a company that I see is killing jobs I can.  Also when there is not a need to automate and they do so and it kills jobs I can hate on that.  Die commerce die.  

I guess using ford was a bad example. I wont argue with you on your point, it was good. You opinion is your own. I was more curious about your comment more than anything else.

[mr moose]

The human race is moving from one of physical labour to one more like we see in science fiction.  Whether we like it or not factory jobs, accounting jobs, logistics jobs will go very soon, then will follow with the more complex jobs like electrical and plumbing then finally the most complex like medical and surgery.   We cannot change this, it will happen so long as a meteor doesn't wipe us out first.  We can't change it through boycotts, or lobbying, or law or consumer trends. 

 

However it's not all doom and gloom.  Governments are looking 50 and 100 years into the future, they are taking submissions from all professions (researchers, labor specialists, social security professionals, economists, charities and so on) to make sure we aren't caught with our pants down so to speak.  This does mean nothing bad will happen, it just means the human race is not rushing blindly into high unemployment rates and so on.

[Toddskins]

So this means Asus is going to pass on the savings, right? Without those pesky employee wages, Asus is saving a ton on production costs, they could easily drop the price of their GPUs by about $50 each. This is such a great thing, because Asus totally wouldn't use this as an excuse to charge us more for the same products that they are paying less to manufacture, right? Asus totally wouldn't try to cover up simultaneously screwing over hundreds of workers and their entire consumer base with a publicity stunt, right? That would just be crazy talk. I'm sure glad Asus is our friend and not trying to fish more money out of my wallet!  :unsure:

In all probability, the cost to the consumer will rise, as they will make 2 "valid" points:  1) The cost of manufacturing with robots is very expensive, and 2) the consumer gets a much better or more reliable product than the competition provides and thus they can charge for a superior product.

That's what I would expect from this news.

[Toddskins]

this has become the natural selection for humans to keep our population in check. Normally a population can only grow as large as there is enough food to feed them. So there can only be as many lions as there are zebra to feed them. For humanity thats not really a factor, so our natural selection has become the jobs available in order to make money to buy the food. Its sad to see people starve to death yes, but its not something that you can change really.

By limiting jobs they are limiting the growth of humanity which in the long run is a very good thing unless you would like your descendants to live in a world like what is depicted in Elysium. I'm sure that will happen eventually anyway, but overpopulation of earth is not a good thing, neither is encouraging that growth.

Another propagandist of false info.

There is enough land, water, animals and seed on the planet to satisfy the population many times over.  But not if you have jerks like this propagating the lies of the NEW WORLD ORDER.

 

I read a similar study to that of this link, back in the 80's, which is that the world population could fit in a town the size of Jacksonville, FL.  Here's the math on it:  http://www.city-data.com/forum/jacksonville/1537655-worlds-population-could-fit-jacksonville-2.html 

 

The point is, people have been brainwashed into thinking over-population is a real thing.  The real thing is sin - greed, coveting, self-centeredness, etc.  

God did not create the world out of balance.  But man in rebellion to His Commandments, and making up lies is where we are now.  "all praise to the richest men and corrupt leaders in the world for successfully getting people like Fuzzy Crumpkin to further THEIR cause. <shaking head>

 

There is plenty of abundance on the planet for everybody, but not if you allow an elitist to take it all away from you!

 

Stop sinning, start being brave and put the jerk politicians and rich bankers and false United Nations into place, and you'll be amazed at what this God-created planet can have in store for people. And too, love of your neighbor will cause you to not allow this predicament to occur.  You'll stand up for justice and the poor, and beat the "rulers" back into place.

[Constantine]

In all probability, the cost to the consumer will rise, as they will make 2 "valid" points:  1) The cost of manufacturing with robots is very expensive, and 2) the consumer gets a much better or more reliable product than the competition provides and thus they can charge for a superior product.

That's what I would expect from this news.

 

Nothing will change in the short future. They won't be getting rid of their factory workers any time soon. They'd want to keep them around as backup as they slowly integrate the machines in their other product lines as well as iron out small bugs in the system. Like you said, the initial investment cost is expensive so we won't be seeing cheaper Asus cards until they at least break even. 

[Eroda]

cheaper graphics cards? ahahahahahaha , even if it halves the cost of production there is no guarantee that they will pass those savings onto us

[NumLock21]

[patrickjp93]

Another propagandist of false info.

There is enough land, water, animals and seed on the planet to satisfy the population many times over. But not if you have jerks like this propagating the lies of the NEW WORLD ORDER.

I read a similar study to that of this link, back in the 80's, which is that the world population could fit in a town the size of Jacksonville, FL. Here's the math on it: http://www.city-data.com/forum/jacksonville/1537655-worlds-population-could-fit-jacksonville-2.html

The point is, people have been brainwashed into thinking over-population is a real thing. The real thing is sin - greed, coveting, self-centeredness, etc.

God did not create the world out of balance. But man in rebellion to His Commandments, and making up lies is where we are now. "all praise to the richest men and corrupt leaders in the world for successfully getting people like Fuzzy Crumpkin to further THEIR cause. <shaking head>

There is plenty of abundance on the planet for everybody, but not if you allow an elitist to take it all away from you!

Stop sinning, start being brave and put the jerk politicians and rich bankers and false United Nations into place, and you'll be amazed at what this God-created planet can have in store for people. And too, love of your neighbor will cause you to not allow this predicament to occur. You'll stand up for justice and the poor, and beat the "rulers" back into place.

Oh good lord... If God made the universe and all things in it, how did Lucifer conceive of pride? God had to imagine evil for it to exist. He had to create the ideas of deviation from his rules in order for the rules to be broken. That's an inescapable contradiction. Either God created everything, including evil, or evil is as old and powerful a force as God. In either case there is no balancing the world. Greed is the biggest motivator for innovation. Without it charity would be all but impossible.

[SansVarnic]

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OK obviously this did not happen over night, and ASUS isn't laying off people without prior knowledge that it was going to happen. It takes time to implement this type of infrastructure, the switch will be done in stages and there will still be people employed to makes cards of the current generation until ASUS completes the switch over. ASUS like any other company will make it possible for job placement in other venues and separation pay and other such things. Anyone that thinks ASUS will just drop the entire workforce in the span of a few days is well.....you get the point. If anyone hadn't noticed the speaker in the video mentioned that due to the new manufacture process reduced exposure to harmful fumes and material will a greatly add bonus to employees - always a plus.

 

I will still buy ASUS products as I look for quality in the products I buy. Now if ASUS was forcing their employees to slave away for little pay THEN I would think twice about it and not support ASUS. Every company has its growing pains an this one of them in electronic efficiency and proficient production is always the goal, streamlining, reducing time to produce etc. etc. Having been in the position myself (a few years) I have an understanding of having to cut costs, relieving people due to reduced clientele and more. Put yourself in their shoes and you would do the exact same thing. Customers demand the best (and don't try to ague on that one) and ASUS is just following the goal they have been spouting for 20 yrs now, to be the best in class, and they are doing exactly that. Anyone that wants to stop supporting them because they are doing exactly what customers want them to do and expect from them is just plain ignorant. You tell someone to do something and then they do it and then complain that they did it, makes absolutely no sense what-so-ever. Some one please tell me that MSI, EVGA, and other wont do the same thing in a year or three from now as they will need/want to stay competitive.

 

Now I am not defending ASUS specifically, this is just a matter of fact statement something that I would expect from a forum of intelligent individuals to understand. 

As for the pricing of the cards, most will likely stay the same to pay the offset cost for implementing the technology being used and after oh say a year or two we will see a steady decline in prices after the offset is taken care of. If the cards drop back down into the 300-400 USD range again for the high end stuff that will be great but remember its also the material cost and things that have to accounted for, rare earth metals and such especially with the increase of the Japanese grade parts that ASUS has been increasingly using in their products which tend to raise price points as well.

[Bouzoo]

-snip-

 

Not so sure how it's gonna work that "dropping the entire workforce in the span of days". Are some gonna be sent to other divisions? High likely. Are they gonna still fire people (maybe a lot)? High likely again. They are not gonna not fire anyone because if they are functioning now with X number of workers, then they don't need X+Y number of workers in the same place. As I said, I suspect some are gonna have other jobs, but I'd say a lot of people are gonna lose their jobs. 

 

And I never said I am gonna think twice before thinking their products. 

[SansVarnic]

Not so sure how it's gonna work that "dropping the entire workforce in the span of days". Are some gonna be sent to other divisions? High likely. Are they gonna still fire people (maybe a lot)? High likely again. They are not gonna not fire anyone because if they are functioning now with X number of workers, then they don't need X+Y number of workers in the same place. As I said, I suspect some are gonna have other jobs, but I'd say a lot of people are gonna lose their jobs. 

 

And I never said I am gonna think twice before thinking their products. 

I was stating in general from a lot of the responses I saw, not necessarily to your comments. 

We pretty much said the same thing. 

[Bouzoo]

I was stating in general from a lot of the responses I saw, not necessarily to your comments. 

We pretty much said the same thing. 

 

Ah. But quoting made it personal  

[TecaFondo]

I don't know if this is good or bad, they will have cleaner PCB's, but so much people will be unemployed

[Toddskins]

Oh good lord... If God made the universe and all things in it, how did Lucifer conceive of pride? God had to imagine evil for it to exist. He had to create the ideas of deviation from his rules in order for the rules to be broken. That's an inescapable contradiction. Either God created everything, including evil, or evil is as old and powerful a force as God. In either case there is no balancing the world. Greed is the biggest motivator for innovation. Without it charity would be all but impossible.

Patrick,

 

I'm not going to try and teach you the truth, as you heard 2 minutes of somebody talking about how there cannot be a God, etc., and you now embody a half-baked idea on the subject.  Fine.

 

You either missed the whole point of what I wrote (that there is plenty on this planet for the population many times over), or you wish to justify killing off a good portion of the human race so you can feel comfortable with your pride and greed which you just labored to support.

[patrickjp93]

Patrick,

I'm not going to try and teach you the truth, as you heard 2 minutes of somebody talking about how there cannot be a God, etc., and you now embody a half-baked idea on the subject. Fine.

You either missed the whole point of what I wrote (that there is plenty on this planet for the population many times over), or you wish to justify killing off a good portion of the human race so you can feel comfortable with your pride and greed which you just labored to support.

It's not a half-baked idea, and I spent quite a few days working with raw logic to reach that conclusion.

And no, we do not have the capacity to grow enough plants to feed the entire population of the world in a health manner, much less feed it and the livestock required for protein. There are much more powerful statistical studies which show the Earth is overpopulated by 2 billion persons for the level of agricultural technology and production possible at this time. We're 3 billion overpopulated for the capacity we actually have, even if every fat/obese person suddenly went on a fully healthy diet. There are several hypotheses about why disease incidence is rising beyond rates expected by population density and why homosexuality is also growing in incidence. Nature is finding ways to stop the human population from growing to the point of extinction.

[Guest Strangerbob]

Hope we life in an era soon where everything is made by robot, and everything cost money with 100% unemployment

 

Id like that too Ms Pie. I wouldnt mind some fucking anarchy.

[Guest Strangerbob]

cheaper graphics cards? ahahahahahaha , even if it halves the cost of production there is no guarantee that they will pass those savings onto us

 

Id say theres more of a guarantee they WONT pass any saving to us.

[Real_PhillBert]

I'd buy it. 

 

Humans are not a very efficient way of producing things.

[Bouzoo]

Humans are not a very efficient way of producing things.

 

This made me laugh. I know what you meant but this way it turns out humans are a type of production.

[techswede]

Why does everything have to be "Extreme"... 

[Tim Drake]

I've got what appears to be one of the few GTX 970 G1 Gaming that requires a -50MHz underclock to actual run at factory speeds, and +50mv on the core to stop the display driver from crashing.

You should probably RMA..

[Real_PhillBert]

Why does everything have to be "Extreme"... 

 

It's an EXTREME world we live in these days.