AMD Radeon R9 390X Teaser Pic – Definitely Water Cooled + Small Form Factor

[Notional]

well, at the end of the day when i am using it , wasn't it still high than normal.

Only the stock cooler was super bad. Once the AIB cards hit the marked, then the problem disappeared.

[Rohith_Kumar_Sp]

Only the stock cooler was super bad. Once the AIB cards hit the marked, then the problem disappeared.

i don't care if the cooler was bad or the TDP design, as a consumer i only care what temp my cards are being output at the end of the day, that was the point.

[Notional]

i don't care if the cooler was bad or the TDP design, as a consumer i only care what temp my cards are being output at the end of the day, that was the point.

 

That is completely fair, and I don't think anyone would ever defend that crappy cooler solution, AMD chose. But the solution was simple: Buy an AIB card, with a non stock cooler, and problem is solved. But it cannot be easy for AMD, as they made a really beastly 295x2 with an AIO liquid cooler, which was a fantastic solution, and get gets criticized for that too.

 

But honestly, I doubt AMD will release new cards, with such a bad cooler in the future.

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

Because at 4K I need two of them. To match the performance of my 970s I need two of them. This means that my heat output goes way up to 600W. When I had two 580s in SLI that was only about 500W TDP (only LOL >_>) and that pushed my ambient temperature up past 40 Celsius which is absolutely unbearable without air conditioning. It also meant that the cards which did not ordinarily throttle absolutely did and there was no way I could play Tomb Raider for months at a time.

 

What if one 300w tdp card was enough for 4k? Ayeeeeee    

 

just an assumption 

[othertomperson]

What if one 300w tdp card was enough for 4k? Ayeeeeee    

 

just an assumption 

 

There is one and it costs twice as much as what I have and it was released six months after I got my 970s. It's also a lot louder and runs at a higher temperature.

[Notional]

What if one 300w tdp card was enough for 4k? Ayeeeeee    

 

just an assumption 

 

Then 2x 150w tdp cards, would not be able to either, if they are about same generation. If you can afford to have 2 brand new koth cards in your pc, you can afford a case with 2x 120mm fans for radiators as well.

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

There is one and it costs twice as much as what I have and it was released six months after I got my 970s. It's also a lot louder and runs at a higher temperature.

 

Titan X? Eh eh ain't no where at 60fps 4K yet. Its tdp is also 250w only. 

Engineers put so much vram on that thing hoping heaven would cool the memory modules on the back.  

[othertomperson]

 

Then 2x 150w tdp cards, would not be able to either, if they are about same generation. If you can afford to have 2 brand new koth cards in your pc, you can afford a case with 2x 120mm fans for radiators as well.

 

Oh right so after 10 pages of this you STILL think that TDP is reduced by radiators and that that will magically make my room cooler. Ok then.

 

Titan X? Eh eh ain't no where at 60fps 4K yet. Its tdp is also 250w only. 

Engineers put so much vram on that thing hoping heaven would cool the memory modules on the back.  

 

It's a higher TDP card, though, and the closest equivalent to a single GPU version of what I already have that exists.

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

It's a higher TDP card, though, and the closest equivalent to a single GPU version of what I already have that exists.

 

Yea... Might need another generation or so to meet the power of 2x 970s. Hopefully they don't put vram modules on the back of the new cards without anything to conduct the heat.  

[othertomperson]

Yea... Might need another generation or so to meet the power of 2x 970s. Hopefully they don't put vram modules on the back of the card without anything to conduct the heat.  

 

And you'd expect that, and it's why I am always going to talk about TDP as an issue. High performance, low TDP opens up multi GPU as a compelling option.

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

And you'd expect that, and it's why I am always going to talk about TDP as an issue. High performance, low TDP opens up multi GPU as a compelling option.

That would be a perfect world to live in. But sadly the real world does not work this way. High performance and low tdp wouldn't be coming to AMD anytime soon. Efficiency will always come at a premium.

Edit: might have read your post wrongly oops

[othertomperson]

That would be a perfect world to live in. But sadly the real world does not work this way. High performance and low tdp wouldn't be coming to AMD anytime soon. Efficiency will always come at a premium.

Edit: might have read your post wrongly oops

 

Maybe you read it wrong, I don't know

 

But there is literally no reason that we can't have performance and efficiency. Intel and Nvidia are both going that route. AMD are lagging behind.

 

We also need to kill the idea that AMD cards are necessarily cheap now that you mention the word "premium". They are right now because they are old. (Both in the sense that we're waiting for AMD to release their new line of stuff, and in the sense that some of their products are literally three years old at this point). The 290X's launch price was pretty much the same as the GTX 980's launch price, which put it somewhere between the 780 and the 780 Ti.

[Notional]

Oh right so after 10 pages of this you STILL think that TDP is reduced by radiators and that that will magically make my room cooler. Ok then.

 

No? What's up with the straw men? Water cooling is capable of more effectively removing heat from the GPU, and since it moves it to the side of the case, and exhaust it directly out of the case, the overall temp, will be lower inside the case, and a lot lower on the GPU itself. Why else do people go for water cooling, if not to handle higher tdp, especially at oc?

[dalekphalm]

No? What's up with the straw men? Water cooling is capable of more effectively removing heat from the GPU, and since it moves it to the side of the case, and exhaust it directly out of the case, the overall temp, will be lower inside the case, and a lot lower on the GPU itself. Why else do people go for water cooling, if not to handle higher tdp, especially at oc?

I believe he's specifically referencing that while it will indeed keep the case temps down, all that heat is being exhausted into the room, and therefore bringing the ambient room temperature up.

 

With that in mind, his rig does say he's using 970 SLI, which would produce the same (or more) amount of heat as a 300w TDP single GPU.

[Giannhs]

 that pushed my ambient temperature up past 40 Celsius which is absolutely unbearable without air conditioning.

you can always watercool your whole room like linus did 

[Notional]

I believe he's specifically referencing that while it will indeed keep the case temps down, all that heat is being exhausted into the room, and therefore bringing the ambient room temperature up.

 

With that in mind, his rig does say he's using 970 SLI, which would produce the same (or more) amount of heat as a 300w TDP single GPU.

 

Exactly. I can't find the rationale in his posts. Perfomance/watt (tdp) is the only thing we need to care about, unless there is an upper limit to what your room can handle. But then you would not have SLI setups.

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

Maybe you read it wrong, I don't know

But there is literally no reason that we can't have performance and efficiency. Intel and Nvidia are both going that route. AMD are lagging behind.

We also need to kill the idea that AMD cards are necessarily cheap now that you mention the word "premium". They are right now because they are old. (Both in the sense that we're waiting for AMD to release their new line of stuff, and in the sense that some of their products are literally three years old at this point). The 290X's launch price was pretty much the same as the GTX 980's launch price, which put it somewhere between the 780 and the 780 Ti.

Nothing wrong with craving efficiency. But nothing we can do to get it. If we could have efficiency at AMD's prices, wouldn't it be better?

Not on every part of the world though... A 290x lighting could be had $100 cheaper than a G1 970 in my country. When the 290x launched there was a price difference off $70 between the 780 and the 290x here . (290x being cheaper)

[othertomperson]

Exactly. I can't find the rationale in his posts. Perfomance/watt (tdp) is the only thing we need to care about, unless there is an upper limit to what your room can handle. But then you would not have SLI setups.

 

Because you don't seem to be bothering to read my posts. I'm bored with you. I've said all I have to say to you. Read it  or don't.

 

Nothing wrong with craving efficiency. But nothing we can do to get it. If we could have efficiency at AMD's prices, wouldn't it be better?

Not on every part of the world though... A 290x lighting could be had $100 cheaper than a G1 970 in my country. When the 290x launched there was a price difference off $70 between the 780 and the 290x here . (290x being cheaper)

 

I bought a GTX 970 because two of them were only £100 more expensive than one 290X. For me AMD offer no price benefit over Nvidia so when I buy whichever is better value it's not a foregone conclusion which I end up getting.

 

 

I believe he's specifically referencing that while it will indeed keep the case temps down, all that heat is being exhausted into the room, and therefore bringing the ambient room temperature up.

 

With that in mind, his rig does say he's using 970 SLI, which would produce the same (or more) amount of heat as a 300w TDP single GPU.

 

Yes. So for the same performance my options are 300W Nvidia vs 600W AMD. Why is this so hard to grasp?

 

Also my experience of Fermi was constantly high TDP, not just under load. Obviously much higher under load, but simply having the cards on and idling would have a noticeable impact on ambient temperature. That wouldn't happen with any number of 970s. Dunno if it would happen with 290Xs either, but it definitely happened with 580s.

[Prastupok]

Exactly. I can't find the rationale in his posts. Perfomance/watt (tdp) is the only thing we need to care about, unless there is an upper limit to what your room can handle. But then you would not have SLI setups.

 

Well... personally, I don't care about how much power my cards draw, or how expensive they are.

 

I buy the cards that are the best, period.

 

I have a cluster in the next room drawing 7,500w... performance per watt means nothing to me, rock solid performance and reliability is what I need... don't generalize YOUR wants for everyone else.

[dalekphalm]

 

Because you don't seem to be bothering to read my posts. I'm bored with you. I've said all I have to say to you. Read it  or don't.

 

 

I bought a GTX 970 because two of them were only £100 more expensive than one 290X. For me AMD offer no price benefit over Nvidia so when I buy whichever is better value it's not a foregone conclusion which I end up getting.

 

 

 

Yes. So for the same performance my options are 300W Nvidia vs 600W AMD. Why is this so hard to grasp?

 

Also my experience of Fermi was constantly high TDP, not just under load. Obviously much higher under load, but simply having the cards on and idling would have a noticeable impact on ambient temperature. That wouldn't happen with any number of 970s. Dunno if it would happen with 290Xs either, but it definitely happened with 580s.

 

300W vs 600W right now, but this thread is about the upcoming 390x.

 

What if, hypothetically speaking, that single 390x, at the same TDP as your SLI setup, beats your SLI setup in performance? At that point, it would seem to me, that having the single card would "hypothetically" be better, assuming it was more powerful than 970 SLI while having the same TDP.

 

Now, we're not even 100% sure how well the 390x will perform, but if the rumours that it meets or exceeds the Titan X are true, then it could turn into a very compelling offering, without being power/energy inefficient.

[Notional]

Because you don't seem to be bothering to read my posts. I'm bored with you. I've said all I have to say to you. Read it  or don't.

 

 

Yes. So for the same performance my options are 300W Nvidia vs 600W AMD. Why is this so hard to grasp?

 

I am reading your posts, where you claim I don't understand the difference between watt/tdp and temps. Performance/tdp is important, not how much a single card produces of heat, unless you have a max your case/room can handle.

 

As for the second thing, you are the only one talking about Hawaii cards, the rest of this thread is talking about Fiji. Fiji being 300w is not a problem, if it beats 970 SLI in performance, and if it's watercooled, temps will not be an issue either.

 

Well... personally, I don't care about how much power my cards draw, or how expensive they are.

 

I buy the cards that are the best, period.

 

I have a cluster in the next room drawing 7,500w... performance per watt means nothing to me, rock solid performance and reliability is what I need... don't generalize YOUR wants for everyone else.

 

That sounds pretty insane (in a good way). But performance/watt tdp, is generally what people are interested in, and what everyone talks about with NVidia's 900 series. If you want the fastest thing, with no concern for watt/tdp, that's cool, I'm not speaking on your behalf, but temps might set a performance limit, much faster, if performance/tdp is bad. It's good on a Titan X, which is why you can OC that quite a bit on air alone.

[Prastupok]

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Performance per dollar is what most people go for actually...

[Notional]

Performance per dollar is what most people go for actually...

 

True, as money is the most limiting factor for most people But with all the talk about how great the 900 series is, because it uses less electricity, it seems people are very fixated on performance/ watt tdp too. Or maybe it's just a case of what NVidia is the best at, is the most important thing ever.

 

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Either way, the entire point is that 390x, being a 300w part (if that is the case), is not inherently a negative thing.

[othertomperson]

 

300W vs 600W right now, but this thread is about the upcoming 390x.

 

What if, hypothetically speaking, that single 390x, at the same TDP as your SLI setup, beats your SLI setup in performance? At that point, it would seem to me, that having the single card would "hypothetically" be better, assuming it was more powerful than 970 SLI while having the same TDP.

 

Now, we're not even 100% sure how well the 390x will perform, but if the rumours that it meets or exceeds the Titan X are true, then it could turn into a very compelling offering, without being power/energy inefficient.

 

It's kind of irrelevant because I already have the SLI setup. Even if something lower powered, better performance and even cheaper were released tomorrow, it's not really worth buying a whole new GPU over.

 

But if I didn't have my 970s and were in the position of buying new then there are a few considerations I would need to look at. Firstly how idle power consumption sits. Power consumption and heat output aren't the same thing, but they're very intimately related. Is the higher TDP card going to produce more heat at idle than two lower TDP cards? Past experience would say it's definitely a possibility. Secondly, is performance enough that I can never envisage myself wanting to double up ever? It's not unfathomable to think that 4K requirements could step up dramatically in the next few years. I'm not going to upgrade my 970s for a while, but when I do I'm going to look at the best performance I can afford, and that's probably going to be SLI/CF.

 

Plus two cards just look awesome.

 

I am reading your posts, where you claim I don't understand the difference between watt/tdp and temps. Performance/tdp is important, not how much a single card produces of heat, unless you have a max your case/room can handle.

 

As for the second thing, you are the only one talking about Hawaii cards, the rest of this thread is talking about Fiji. Fiji being 300w is not a problem, if it beats 970 SLI in performance, and if it's watercooled, temps will not be an issue either.

 

You clearly aren't because for the nth time watercooling a card does shit all to your room's ambient temperature!!

[CoolaxGaming]

Guys this isint the official render -

http://wccftech.com/fake-render-amd-radeon-r9-390x-internet/