Parents who don't stop children playing Call of Duty to be reported to POLICE warn schools

[Admire]

It looks like the article is a little misleading, While they should not talk about video games because they clearly have no idea, they did mention one important thing:  when school children start talking about witnessing inappropriate sexualised material at home, that is a cause for concern, we are talking about kids under 10 here, not teenagers sifting through the old mans porn stash (which is a normal part of male development).  

 

Reporting that an 11 year old is playing COD would largely be ignored by most agencies (which makes most of the article laughable), however mandatory reporting in most countries will have the teacher calling social services for any signs of sexually inappropriate knowledge regardless of whether it comes from a video game, dvd, magazine or from the mouths of other people.

 

I would still say that its none of their freaking business for the most part.

 

What is sexualized materials? What is perceived as overly violent?

 

Im pretty sure parents should be the judge of that. Im not advocating showing porn or SAW to 10 year olds, but we need to stop trying to save everybody by being suspicious of everything.

 

What about we concentrate on finding actual abuse(Both physical, mental and sexual abuse) instead of this stuff.

 

Your last paragraf is insane....."Inappropriate knowledge"....

[mr moose]

I would still say that its none of their freaking business for the most part.

 

What is sexualized materials? What is perceived as overly violent?

 

Im pretty sure parents should be the judge of that. Im not advocating showing porn or SAW to 10 year olds, but we need to stop trying to save everybody by being suspicious of everything.

 

What about we concentrate on finding actual abuse(Both physical, mental and sexual abuse) instead of this stuff.

 

Your last paragraf is insane....."Inappropriate knowledge"....

 

I don't know what to say to you.  But subjecting a minor to pornography is abuse.  There is a reason the department of education has a policy on recognizing sexual abuse, observing child behaviour and enforces mandatory reporting.

 

http://www.education.vic.gov.au/school/principals/spag/safety/pages/childprotection.aspx#link92

 

You may think this is about video games but it's not, that's just the OP's article being a little sensationalist.

 

I personally am mandated by law to report anything that I consider to be the product of abuse in the home to DHS (human services).  It's not an option,  and it is founded on years of research into childhood development and childhood outcomes.

[Admire]

I don't know what to say to you.  But subjecting a minor to pornography is abuse.  There is a reason the department of education has a policy on recognizing sexual abuse, observing child behaviour and enforces mandatory reporting.

 

http://www.education.vic.gov.au/school/principals/spag/safety/pages/childprotection.aspx#link92

 

You may think this is about video games but it's not, that's just the OP's article being a little sensationalist.

 

I personally am mandated by law to report anything that I consider to be the product of abuse in the home to DHS (human services).  It's not an option,  and it is founded on years of research into childhood development and childhood outcomes.

 

I was aware that it was not about games...or not just about that.

 

But thats kinda my point. If somebody is subjecting a child to porn...Actual real pornography, then i would agree 100% that the person just be reported and jailed....that is clear abuse!

 

 

But there has to be a very clear line of where pornography begins then. But a sex scene in a movie where not genitals are shown is NOT pornography. Neither are the strippers in the original Duke Nukem.

 

 

 

I personally am mandated by law to report anything that I consider to be the product of abuse in the home to DHS (human services).  It's not an option,  and it is founded on years of research into childhood development and childhood outcomes.

 

And that is worrisome if that is the standard you have to abide by. . There should be very clear guidelines, not just "What you consider abuse".

 

If some sick fuck is showing porn to a child, then that is completely unacceptable and there can be no distinction. That is clear abuse, and should be reported.

But violent movies for instance, is a far more slippery slope. There are movies that leave no doubt but most movies would be in a grey area....Adding documentaries just fucks everything up.

 

 

Im an atheist...If I was extreme, I could report every religious family since that could be what I considered abuse...You get my point?

[mr moose]

I was aware that it was not about games...or not just about that.

 

But thats kinda my point. If somebody is subjecting a child to porn...Actual real pornography, then i would agree 100% that the person just be reported and jailed....that is clear abuse!

 

 

But there has to be a very clear line of where pornography begins then. But a sex scene in a movie where not genitals are shown is NOT pornography. Neither are the strippers in the original Duke Nukem.

 

 

 

And that is worrisome if that is the standard you have to abide by. . There should be very clear guidelines, not just "What you consider abuse".

 

If some sick fuck is showing porn to a child, then that is completely unacceptable and there can be no distinction. That is clear abuse, and should be reported.

But violent movies for instance, is a far more slippery slope. There are movies that leave no doubt but most movies would be in a grey area....Adding documentaries just fucks everything up.

 

 

Im an atheist...If I was extreme, I could report every religious family since that could be what I considered abuse...You get my point?

 

I understand what you are saying, the guidelines are pretty clear,  there is wealth of knowledge out there on what is understood to be normal behaviour and what are signs of abuse (of any form).

 

The way the system works (or doesn't some cases) is that if I see something that is, lets say not too bad (but say I don't like the parent on religious grounds), so I make a report.  The report has to include everything that was said, descriptions of all actions carried out by the child, child's friends, and the staff involved.  I also have to report what I did about it, in some cases whether the parent has been contacted about it and any witnesses.  The person who takes the report then decides if I am being too critical of something minor or if it needs to be elevated. They have another person read the report and contact other staff/principal and or the me to talk further about the issue.  It is very rare that a personal grievance will elevate an issue, in fact it is more likely to be the opposite as DHS tend to give parents the benefit of any doubt.  I have personally witnessed children being left with abusive parents due to insufficient evidence. 

 

It might be a little hard to understand because human psychology is just one of those topics, however there is a lot of information out there that explains why certain attributes of a child's engagement with others is a very good indicator of specific abuse.  E.G if a 7 year old mimics sexual activity with an object in a manor not easily misconstrued, then you can be sure that that child has not imagined that activity of its own accord and that it has witnessed said behaviour somewhere. 

[Admire]

I understand what you are saying, the guidelines are pretty clear,  there is wealth of knowledge out there on what is understood to be normal behaviour and what are signs of abuse (of any form).

 

The way the system works (or doesn't some cases) is that if I see something that is, lets say not too bad (but say I don't like the parent on religious grounds), so I make a report.  The report has to include everything that was said, descriptions of all actions carried out by the child, child's friends, and the staff involved.  I also have to report what I did about it, in some cases whether the parent has been contacted about it and any witnesses.  The person who takes the report then decides if I am being too critical of something minor or if it needs to be elevated. They have another person read the report and contact other staff/principal and or the me to talk further about the issue.  It is very rare that a personal grievance will elevate an issue, in fact it is more likely to be the opposite as DHS tend to give parents the benefit of any doubt.  I have personally witnessed children being left with abusive parents due to insufficient evidence. 

 

It might be a little hard to understand because human psychology is just one of those topics, however there is a lot of information out there that explains why certain attributes of a child's engagement with others is a very good indicator of specific abuse.  E.G if a 7 year old mimics sexual activity with an object in a manor not easily misconstrued, then you can be sure that that child has not imagined that activity of its own accord and that it has witnessed said behaviour somewhere. 

 

Thank you very much for this explanation. Really! I appreciated it!

 

Makes a lot more sense now. I think its very important to protect  while also not losing our soul. Sounds like the system has that worked out pretty good where you are:-)

 

Your example in the end is a perfect example.

 

Dammit...have to leave work..can't give you a better reply now!

[mr moose]

Thank you very much for this explanation. Really! I appreciated it!

 

Makes a lot more sense now. I think its very important to protect  while also not losing our soul. Sounds like the system has that worked out pretty good where you are:-)

 

Your example in the end is a perfect example.

 

Dammit...have to leave work..can't give you a better reply now!

 

Believe me the system has it's flaws, it's not perfect.  However in the greater scheme of things we are trying to instigate a perfect system in an imperfect world. A world where everyone has a different idea on whats best. And that's before you even considers personal rights and the rights of parents, class behaviour/effect on other students and all that. 

[Admire]

Believe me the system has it's flaws, it's not perfect.  However in the greater scheme of things we are trying to instigate a perfect system in an imperfect world. A world where everyone has a different idea on whats best. And that's before you even considers personal rights and the rights of parents, class behaviour/effect on other students and all that. 

 

Oh, I believe you mate:-(

 

Its a very tough thing, and its impossible to make anything perfect.

But its great to have committed and thoughtful people like you in those jobs...even if it is thankless most of the time.

 

Did you watch the hunt? Its ofcourse a movie, but it does a great job showing how things can evolve into something ugly even with everybody involved having the right motives. A little lie grows..

[mr moose]

Oh, I believe you mate:-(

 

Its a very tough thing, and its impossible to make anything perfect.

But its great to have committed and thoughtful people like you in those jobs...even if it is thankless most of the time.

 

Did you watch the hunt? Its ofcourse a movie, but it does a great job showing how things can evolve into something ugly even with everybody involved having the right motives. A little lie grows..

 

No, I don't usually watch movies.  I spend most of my downtime on forums, gaming or reading up on the latest whatever science paper that takes my interest.

 

Thanks for the kind words

[Rohith_Kumar_Sp]

Did you watch the hunt? Its ofcourse a movie, but it does a great job showing how things can evolve into something ugly even with everybody involved having the right motives. A little lie grows..

I did, it was a good movie. 

[mxas6530]

It's ridiculous, but children (under 12 that is) should not be playing violent games. Something else like simulations.

[SuntannedBeast]

I think it's none of the teachers business. They should mind their own business and let the parents parent their children.

[mr moose]

I think it's none of the teachers business. They should mind their own business and let the parents parent their children.

what about when the parents aren't parenting the child and the child is presenting as a danger to other kids in the school yard?  would you want the teacher to still stay out of it?

 

This goes a little deeper than the original article.

[jaggysnake57]

I think it's none of the teachers business. They should mind their own business and let the parents parent their children.

 

the problem is parents know very little about parenting. people seam to think that because its there child they know best.  the reality is, the teacher who spent 3-4 years learning how children think and the psychology behind there thinking, who know how to deal with a child on a much deeper level, know a dam sigh more than the parent.

your pic shows a prime example of this. children do not need to be smacked.....ever but try telling that to half the parents who smacked as a child

[othertomperson]

It looks like the article is a little misleading, While they should not talk about video games because they clearly have no idea, they did mention one important thing:  when school children start talking about witnessing inappropriate sexualised material at home, that is a cause for concern, we are talking about kids under 10 here, not teenagers sifting through the old mans porn stash (which is a normal part of male development).  

 

Reporting that an 11 year old is playing COD would largely be ignored by most agencies (which makes most of the article laughable), however mandatory reporting in most countries will have the teacher calling social services for any signs of sexually inappropriate knowledge regardless of whether it comes from a video game, dvd, magazine or from the mouths of other people.

 

We're probably talking about children between the  ages of 4 and 7 here. The schools are talking about it being grounds for neglect to be brought up.

[mr moose]

We're probably talking about children between the  ages of 4 and 7 here. The schools are talking about it being grounds for neglect to be brought up.

 

The article certainly presents it like that, And it's easy to see why so many have reacted the way they have given the information.  But the second article linked in post 226 shows what is almost a completely different side.  The teachers weren't saying COD had sexually explicit material in them, even though that's what the first article insinuates.  They were saying they were going to start reporting when students claimed to see sexually explicit material or violence games that are rated well beyond that child's age like COD for example.  They are primary schools and thus deal with 5 to 12 year old's.  I personally don't have an issue with 11+ year olds playing COD and games like it, but I certainly have a problem with them witnessing porn and violent games at 7.  And that is what the teachers are talking about reporting. 

 

The problem here is that the OPs article is written very poorly and makes for a controversial case.  However nothing new is really happening here.  Teachers are not calling the police or getting involved because 12 year olds are talking about their experiences in BF or COD, they are basically stating that if the parents of the kids who are at risk don't pull their finger out and parent properly (not neglect their kids and leave them in from of the computer unchecked) then they will have to call social services. This is the neglect they are referring to.

[othertomperson]

The article certainly presents it like that, And it's easy to see why so many have reacted the way they have given the information.  But the second article linked in post 226 shows what is almost a completely different side.  The teachers weren't saying COD had sexually explicit material in them, even though that's what the first article insinuates.  They were saying they were going to start reporting when students claimed to see sexually explicit material or violence games that are rated well beyond that child's age like COD for example.  They are primary schools and thus deal with 5 to 12 year old's.  I personally don't have an issue with 11+ year olds playing COD and games like it, but I certainly have a problem with them witnessing porn and violent games at 7.  And that is what the teachers are talking about reporting. 

 

The problem here is that the OPs article is written very poorly and makes for a controversial case.  However nothing new is really happening here.  Teachers are not calling the police or getting involved because 12 year olds are talking about their experiences in BF or COD, they are basically stating that if the parents of the kids who are at risk don't pull their finger out and parent properly (not neglect their kids and leave them in from of the computer unchecked) then they will have to call social services. This is the neglect they are referring to.

 

Yeah, the Daily Express writes an article and it's more about eliciting a reaction than conveying information.

[mikeeginger]

Sigh so it's more FINGER POINTING not

SOLVING the PROBLEM! 

It's not the teachers job to control what children can view at home

Sigh*

We should help educate parents on how they can stop children viewing

and how easy it is for children to bypass age filters which don't work 

and help parents  stop children viewing content that is not appropriate for there age group 

But we need to open and honest about it's happen's  

Let us fine a solution  together 

not point fingers and shout in a echo chamber 

[othertomperson]

It's not the teachers job to control what children can view at home

 

It actually is the teacher's job (actual legal obligation more than job) to safeguard children and be observant of signs of neglect and abuse.

 

Seriously, people on this forum are so emotional about their precious video games they get so erratic in a way they never would if someone decided to buy a five year old The Human Centipede for their birthday.

[jaggysnake57]

-snip-

 

yeah childrens welfare....what a waste of time!

[Cookybiscuit]

yeah childrens welfare....what a waste of time!

Have you actually read the article? It's complete crap, trying to make some agreement between 15 schools look like its a big deal by pointing out how retarded Australia is, and making a tenuous link to Anders Brevik.

 

You really think this will be enforced? 

[mr moose]

Sigh so it's more FINGER POINTING not

SOLVING the PROBLEM! 

It's not the teachers job to control what children can view at home

Sigh*

We should help educate parents on how they can stop children viewing

and how easy it is for children to bypass age filters which don't work 

and help parents  stop children viewing content that is not appropriate for there age group 

But we need to open and honest about it's happen's  

Let us fine a solution  together 

not point fingers and shout in a echo chamber 

 

I can't blame you for getting thwe wrong idea the first article is misleading, however if you read the second article already mentioned you will see that they are trying to educate parents first.  the problem is parents are not listening because they do not care, such lack of care is actually neglect because it leaves the children watching inappropriate material unchecked by the parents who don't care.

 

Have you actually read the article? It's complete crap, trying to make some agreement between 15 schools look like its a big deal by pointing out how retarded Australia is, and making a tenuous link to Anders Brevik.

 

You really think this will be enforced? 

 

It actually sounds like you didn't read the article.

[snes]

When did everyone become so fucking retarded and "morally clean" *sigh*

When parents stopped giving a shit about their kids.

 

And even then, none of their fucking business...

Yes, it is. They are responsible for those kids until the school bus picks them up in the afternoon. And playing those shit games at a too young age will affect the way those kids behave.

 

Somewhat related news:

http://www.bbc.com/news/education-32181848

 

 

Teachers say they are seeing "Victorian conditions" with pupils arriving at school hungry and not wearing the right clothes needed for the weather.

The NASUWT teachers' union says schools and teachers are increasingly having to deal with the consequences of poor housing and poverty.

Teachers reported bringing in their own food to school to give to children.

[colonel_mortis]

Since it seems to be causing some issues, I've added the polygon source into the OP for you guys.

[mr moose]

When parents stopped giving a shit about their kids.

 

 

Yes, it is. They are responsible for those kids until the school bus picks them up in the afternoon. And playing those shit games at a too young age will affect the way those kids behave.

 

Somewhat related news:

http://www.bbc.com/news/education-32181848

 

We've got volunteer organizations who supply free breakfast before school becasue the kids aren't getting fed in the morning.

 

Since it seems to be causing some issues, I've added the polygon source into the OP for you guys.

 

Thanks.

[mikeeginger]

Since it seems to be causing some issues, I've added the polygon source into the OP for you guys.

TY the other site doesn't load nearly any thing for me