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DDR3 1600 Is simply not fast enough for Haswell

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A great read for everyone who still believes 1600 memory is "Fast Enough"

http://www.corsair.com/en-us/blog/2014/march/haswellrealworld

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It was a cool read, but really.. If this was REALLY true and it REALLY affected everything that much

People would have known. Or at least other tech websites would have said anything about it..

 

That's just my take on it..

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Try 1333 with my setup.

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A great read for everyone who still believes 1600 memory is "Fast Enough"

http://www.corsair.com/en-us/blog/2014/march/haswellrealworld

 

Oh look, a sales pitch for platinum memory. 

 

It's on a vendor's website and they link to no source. Smells like bogus science to me, because other similar tests concluded otherwise.

And this would mean that haswell's IMC has deteriorated since Ivy. Which would be extremely stupid.

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Simply not fast enough? Spend 60% more on memory and get as much for a 2% performance bump in one game? Great idea.

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It was a cool read, but really.. If this was REALLY true and it REALLY affected everything..

People would have known. Or at least other tech websites would have said anything about it..

 

That's just my take on it..

Yeah I was going to say that it still looked fast enough to me. They say 5% or whatever, but in their real world tests it really doesn't translate to much.

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A great read for everyone who still believes 1600 memory is "Fast Enough"

http://www.corsair.com/en-us/blog/2014/march/haswellrealworld

 

Interesting that Corsair (who sells Memory) tries to justify faster and more expensive memory... :/ Im running 2400Mhz anyway G.Skill ftw! :P

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A great read for everyone who still believes 1600 memory is "Fast Enough"

http://www.corsair.com/en-us/blog/2014/march/haswellrealworld

 

I am somewhat impressed with the 10% fps improvement in SCII... I smell cherry picking there.

 

The rest is not a surprise.  I mean what does 16 GB of 2400MHz RAM rated at 10-12-12-32 go for?  $250?  It better damn well be faster than 1600MHz at CAS 9.

 

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There is a difference between memory that is "not fast enough" and memory that isn't the best performing one.

Simply not fast enough? Spend 60% more on memory and get as much for a 2% performance bump in one game? Great idea.

Oh look, a sales pitch for platinum memory.  

It's on a vendor's website and they link to no source. Smells like bogus science to me, because other similar tests concluded otherwise.

And this would mean that haswell's IMC has deteriorated since Ivy. Which would be extremely stupid.

It was a cool read, but really.. If this was REALLY true and it REALLY affected everything that much

People would have known. Or at least other tech websites would have said anything about it..

 

That's just my take on it..

All of the above and

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All of the above and

Gotta grab dat money yo.

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All of the above and

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Dat trampstamp though!

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Well yeah, it's simply not fast enough for Haswell.......When it comes to people getting their bragging rights a.k.a. the top chart in the online benchmark numbers, and people who want to hide their huge-ass loads of money in the profits of the memory companies... ;)

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Dat trampstamp though!

Would have been better if it was 2 Karambits 

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We have seen this quite some time ago but I dont think its true. Anyway, if you got 1600MHz you can just OC it a little if you are worried. I dont think that anyone would notice any performance increase anyway.

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This sounds like corsair trying to sell memory to me. I don't have a haswell system, but if I run my memory in single channel, I get zero performance difference for games. 

Personally I'd like to see some other tests. 

Aside from start craft 2 (lol), they are showing applications that actually have always benefited from faster memory, not games.

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This sounds like corsair trying to sell memory to me. I don't have a haswell system, but if I run my memory in single channel, I get zero performance difference for games. 

Personally I'd like to see some other tests. 

For single vs dual channel here you go.

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Lol, I run my DDR3 kits at 800MHz and I have not noticed any difference over 1333MHz and 1600MHz. Even when I'm playing games with MSI afterburner monitoring (and fraps).

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Lol, I run my DDR3 kits at 800MHz and I have not noticed any difference over 1333MHz and 1600MHz. Even when I'm playing games with MSI afterburner monitoring (and fraps).

How did you know it runs at 800MHZ ??

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That shows what Corsair is...

I have their RAM, and I love the kit, but I don't like the brand that much...

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For single vs dual channel here you go.

thanks. I saw what I expected to see. If you see where I edited my last comment 

 

Aside from start craft 2 (lol), they are showing applications that actually have always benefited from faster memory, not games.

Certain things, like file compression and video encoding definitely benefit from faster memory, and this is my issue with the corsair benchmark- they primarily sell to gamers, and this makes so little difference in games. 

 

Really surprised me that handbrake and premier were faster on single channel. I wonder why. I know adobe can be trashy here and there performance wise, but I don't know about handbrake. I do use it, but I've never really used it enough to have complaints like I do with adobe products. 

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Screens- 3  ASUS VN248H-P IPS 1080p screens mounted on a stand, some old tv on the wall above it. 

Stuff- Epicgear defiant (solderless swappable switches), g600, moutned mic and other stuff. 

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Now for a vendor that doesn't sell high speed & high price memory to repeat their tests ;)

 

And yes the Haswell IMC is certainly capable of more than DDR3-1600, doesn't mean it justifies spending more.

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1600mhz should be fine for most people but hey 1333 is where you feel the slooooooow part in it.

 

but pretty much 1866 or higher you won't be needing unless what crap you do utilize it or unless just want it >.< I'm more for higher ram speed so long as my wallet allows just for kicks.

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