AMD employee confirms new GPU with HBM and 300W

[DeViLzzz]

I however am not. Nvidia fan-boy alert.

 

When will people learn that its better to go by what you want in a graphics card, not by the manufacturer alone because your too damn narrow minded to consider other options.

It is not about the manufacturer.  It is about getting a better video card with more features.  Do you like to play games as they were intended to be played? If so you won't be looking to AMD's next offering in video cards.  You will be looking at what you can afford from Nvidia.

[MeltingPoint]

So the toaster jokes are still true only this time, its now an oven. 

 

Even if AMD gpus are gonna be more powerful than equivalent Nvidia gpus, I'm not touching them with a ten foot pole unless they get their TDP and thermals under control.

[HippY]

It is not about the manufacturer.  It is about getting a better video card with more features.  Do you like to play games as they were intended to be played? If so you won't be looking to AMD's next offering in video cards.  You will be looking at what you can afford from Nvidia.

you are right

my life will be never be full without playing a game that deeply supports Physx for example............ errm. wait I google it... sorry could not find any game that is based on physics but let say CoD Ghost, without streaming it and seeing everything blowing up

I remember when I had my 9600 GT, so much phisics man, and now with my HD 7770 whenever I play a game I am like " ohh I miss physX" then it turns out it does not support it..

 

 

Nvidia has some features, but nothing gamechanger

[Notional]

... and no PhysX.  Only saved for the company that makes video cards to play games the way they were meant to be played.  NVIDIA!

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How are games meant to be played with PhysX, when games do not use it? Or only use simple PhysX, that the CPU can run (AMD APU too)? How does Nvidia run Mantle? Uhm.

 

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How does this person have over 5k posts in here?

[ComradeHX]

... and no PhysX.  Only saved for the company that makes video cards to play games the way they were meant to be played.  NVIDIA!

 

Making PhysX exclusive to Nvidia card actually pretty much killed its potential.

There is only a handful of titles that actually uses hardware-accelerated(the exclusive part of PhysX) version...

For rest of it, it's just a cpu-run physics engine not much different from Havoc.

[Brainless906]

dude, no. 4GB is fine even for 4K atm, and 5K in 90% of the games. remember the ultrawide setup of the Autobahnhammer? that had the same(ish) amount of pixels as a 5K display, and the only time it ran out of its 4gig buffer was when Shadow of Mordor was played with all those ultra textures and whatever so be sure that 4Gig is enough

 

and from a developers point of view now

 

if the coders have any idea how the engine fetches stuff from the RAM and vRAM, 4 gigabytes will be enough to get us through 4K comfortably if the optimisation is crap (like it seems to be, lately), then yes, we will need crazy 8GB cards soon

 

Shadow of Mordor ate my poor xfired 7970s, cut my fps in half if i tried to use ultra texture quality Damn 3gb cards. Obviously with just high texture quality it was fine, but having that one setting not maxed out made me a sad panda

[DeViLzzz]

Making PhysX exclusive to Nvidia card actually pretty much killed its potential.

There is only a handful of titles that actually uses hardware-accelerated(the exclusive part of PhysX) version...

For rest of it, it's just a cpu-run physics engine not much different from Havoc.

Hand full of titles is a lie. There are many more games than a hand full that use PhysX and I think people are anxiously waiting to play the delayed The Witcher 3 and that will have PhysX.

[Brainless906]

So the toaster jokes are still true only this time, its now an oven. 

 

Even if AMD gpus are gonna be more powerful than equivalent Nvidia gpus, I'm not touching them with a ten foot pole unless they get their TDP and thermals under control.

 

You're right, thats why i'll never run anything more than my 9600 GT cards cause anything over 95 watt TDP is regression not progression!

[DeViLzzz]

 

How are games meant to be played with PhysX, when games do not use it? Or only use simple PhysX, that the CPU can run (AMD APU too)? How does Nvidia run Mantle? Uhm.

 

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How does this person have over 5k posts in here?

Another false statement.  Many quality games use PhysX.  Are you planning to play The Witcher 3? As for the mention of Mantle seriously? LOLOL

[BobbyG2]

So sad, my wolves in the Witcher 3 will have slightly less impressive fur. What ever will I do with myself?

[Brainless906]

Hand full of titles is a lie. There are many more games than a hand full that use PhysX and I think people are anxiously waiting to play the delayed The Witcher 3 and that will have PhysX.

 

 

56 titles.

Some of which are the ever so popular Crazy Machines, Gas Guzzlers, and Hot dance party series.

 

His point stands pretty strong, if it an open thing that any GPU could leverage the amount of games using it would be undeniable be extremely higher. I would call 56 titles a handful out of the mass amount of games that have even just come out in the past 3-4 years never mind the 10 years physx has existed. The first year physx existed not a single game came out for it, only in 2005 did it get a massive title list of two. 2006 it added a blazing 5 more titles! It keeps going, but point is adaption hasnt exactly been what anyone would call super fast.

[Notional]

Another false statement.  Many quality games use PhysX.  Are you planning to play The Witcher 3? As for the mention of Mantle seriously? LOLOL

 

What games will use a version of PhysX, that cannot run on the CPU? Even Watch Dogs, a GameWorks proprietary title, ran better on AMD at launch, with all detail activated. I only remember borderlands 2 having some acid effect, that was completely out of place.

[DeViLzzz]

I am not going to pull out all the videos that show a comparison of cpu vs gpu  in regards to this.  If you can't admit some top games look better with Nvidia then get your AMD cards and be happy.  Also be happy cooking food on them. It looks like the new one should make for a real good oven.

Oh and btw for people saying fan boy and that sort of thing my daughter was named after AMD so whatever.

[Notional]

So sad, my wolves in the Witcher 3 will have slightly less impressive fur. What ever will I do with myself?

 

Play the game at more than 3fps? So far all open world sandbox games, using the black boxed proprietary GameWorks, have been severely delayed (i.e. Watch Dogs, Witcher 3). So far FurWorks, can only be done on 2-3 wolves, without rendering anything else. I doubt we will see anything impressive here.

 

56 titles.

Some of which are the ever so popular Crazy Machines, Gas Guzzlers, and Hot dance party series.

 

His point stands pretty strong, if it an open thing that any GPU could leverage the amount of games using it would be undeniable be extremely higher. I would call 56 titles a handful out of the mass amount of games that have even just come out in the past 3-4 years never mind the 10 years physx has existed. The first year physx existed not a single game came out for it, only in 2005 did it get a massive title list of two. 2006 it added a blazing 5 more titles! It keeps going, but point is adaption hasnt exactly been what anyone would call super fast.

 

And how many of those, can process PhysX on the CPU, instead of the GPU? @ComradeHX is right: When Nvidia bought PhysX and made it closed, proprietary and exclusive to Nvidia, they really killed it off.

[Brainless906]

Another false statement.  Many quality games use PhysX.  Are you planning to play The Witcher 3? As for the mention of Mantle seriously? LOLOL

 

Majority of the games that use it are..ah..garbage?

 

Lets list the decent ones out of the 56 it has shall we?

1)Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter

2) Shadow Grounds Survivor (was ok I guess)

3) UT3

4) Mirror's Edge

5) Batman: Arkham Asylum

6) Metro 2033

7) Mafia 2

8) Alice: MAdness Returns

9: Batman Arkham City

10) Borderlands 2

11) Metro Last Light

12) The Bureau: Xcom

13) AC IV Blackflag

14) CoD Ghosts (ah...i guess ill count it)

15) Borderlands: the pre-sequel

 

so thats 15 decent (arguable) titels out of 56, a mind boggling 37 percent of games with it are decent. 

[MEC-777]

dude, no. 4GB is fine even for 4K atm, and 5K in 90% of the games. remember the ultrawide setup of the Autobahnhammer? that had the same(ish) amount of pixels as a 5K display, and the only time it ran out of its 4gig buffer was when Shadow of Mordor was played with all those ultra textures and whatever so be sure that 4Gig is enough

 

and from a developers point of view now

 

if the coders have any idea how the engine fetches stuff from the RAM and vRAM, 4 gigabytes will be enough to get us through 4K comfortably if the optimisation is crap (like it seems to be, lately), then yes, we will need crazy 8GB cards soon

 

My logic came from the assumption that as visuals improve in future games (look more and more realistic), higher res textures and more [complex] objects are implemented into each scene, thus would require more Vram. I agree with what you're saying though, Vram interface/architecture is getting faster and better optimized with each new generation, making the amount of Vram available less of an issue (if the data transfer rates are fast enough and the game is optimised well enough to take advantage of that).

 

I think ultimately we'll have to wait and see exactly how things will pan out. I think as 4K becomes more popular, 4GB Vram will be enough for the most part - just like 2GB Vram is enough at 1080p - for the most part. There will always be some games that demand that much more and for those that want the best of the best will have to shell out for the 8GB cards - just like how lots of people right now run 4GB cards and game at 1080p (myself included).

[Brainless906]

Play the game at more than 3fps? So far all open world sandbox games, using the black boxed proprietary GameWorks, have been severely delayed (i.e. Watch Dogs, Witcher 3). So far FurWorks, can only be done on 2-3 wolves, without rendering anything else. I doubt we will see anything impressive here.

 

 

And how many of those, can process PhysX on the CPU, instead of the GPU? @ComradeHX is right: When Nvidia bought PhysX and made it closed, proprietary and exclusive to Nvidia, they really killed it off.

 

Most of the titles you can do on CPU instead of gpu, that said most of the "decent" are all gpu rendered.

[johnnysasaki]

I am not going to pull out all the videos that show a comparison of cpu vs gpu  in regards to this.  If you can't admit some top games look better with Nvidia then get your AMD cards and be happy.  Also be happy cooking food on them. It looks like the new one should make for a real good oven.

Oh and btw for people saying fan boy and that sort of thing my daughter was named after AMD so whatever.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves with this fanboy madness. It's always best to be open minded, besides mostly AMD reference cards could match up to being called '' the oven''.

Is your daughter called Duron?  

[DeViLzzz]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves with this fanboy madness. It's always best to be open minded, besides mostly AMD reference cards could match up to being called '' the oven''.

Is your daughter called Duron?  

LOL no she is not called Duron.  Her initials make AMD and it was intentional.

In regards to the 300 watts mentioned I don't think anyone is happy about that nor should they be.  An oven is an appropriate term describe this next card from AMD.

[Virgule]

LOL no she is not called Duron.  Her initials make AMD and it was intentional.

In regards to the 300 watts mentioned I don't think anyone is happy about that nor should they be.  An oven is an appropriate term describe this next card from AMD.

Do you call a Ferrari an oven just because the motor gets hot ? No. You call it an impressive car. Why the double standard ?

[Guest]

LOL no she is not called Duron.  Her initials make AMD and it was intentional.

In regards to the 300 watts mentioned I don't think anyone is happy about that nor should they be.  An oven is an appropriate term describe this next card from AMD.

Jesus Christ talk about extreme over exaggeration and then some.

Don't get it, that's it. You don't have to bash it like that.

[Unlikelyjoker]

Why is everyone hating the 300w?

Im upgrading soon and when i do

Overkill is not enough

[Brainless906]

LOL no she is not called Duron.  Her initials make AMD and it was intentional.

In regards to the 300 watts mentioned I don't think anyone is happy about that nor should they be.  An oven is an appropriate term describe this next card from AMD.

 

 

Right, so my GT 9600 comment was more of a joke but at what point in time did you decide we were finally allowed to be happy with a TDP over 100watts?

 

Its going to happen with new stuff, making bigger stuff go faster. Get.over.it.

 

If your so damn concerned with TDP going up with new generations of cards go back and run all your games on your 95watt TDP GT 9600s then. see how that goes for ya brah

 

EDIT: if the damn 390x comes out and even has a 5% performance gain over the 980 then your goddamn right im going to be more than ok with the 300W TDP. Welcome to the high end of GPU wars, we like sh*t that goes faster. 

[ComradeHX]

Hand full of titles is a lie. There are many more games than a hand full that use PhysX and I think people are anxiously waiting to play the delayed The Witcher 3 and that will have PhysX.

Well then find me how many games released in last year that actually uses hardware-accelerated Physx, then?

 

 

 

 

12) The Bureau: Xcom

 

14) CoD Ghosts (ah...i guess ill count it)

 

You really can't count those two.

[i_build_nanosuits]

R9 380X (King of the hill) 300W HBM incoming?

 

https://www.linkedin.com/pub/linglan-zhang/5/75b/4b0

https://www.linkedin.com/in/ilanashternshain

so the R9 380X would be a huge glorified R9 290X on steorïd? that was to be expected honetly...any idea how many stream processors we are talking about here? is it based on GCN architecture or it's something new?

i guess it's a new AMD thing...they plan to reach the 300W mark with the 300 series cards and aim for 400W by the time the 400 cards will come out