Another 8 core amd cpu bulldozes its way into the stage: Enter the FX 8300 and some athlon

[Priller]

And another thing, the FX-8300 was introduced way back in Q4 2012:

 

http://www.techpowerup.com/177867/amd-fx-8300-starts-selling-lower-tdp-comes-at-a-price.html

 

Correct. 

 

It was the low power version and had a specific use case and I've only ever seen 1.

[patrickjp93]

While it's nice to not waste, this is still effectively AMD going "Buy our broken products!" However, the lack of a graphics core should help with heat. Shame AMD isn't releasing anything wow worthy as of late, though. My 2500K is 3 years old and AMD isn't exactly getting me hyped up over their product for when the time comes to upgrade.

 

..if the price is right, that could change opinions.

If I couldn't convince my dad to replace his old office build based on the Q6600 with an AMD quad-core APU (so he could drop the power cost of a GPU as well as noise and hassle of GPU failure), no way in Hell should any i5 2500k owner be satisfied with one (yet).

[i_build_nanosuits]

hahaha so they actualy ended up with so many FX 8 core chip that won't hold a 3.7ghz boost clock to meat the minimum to be an FX-8320 that they launch them as FX-8300!

[lak]

Why does AMD struggle to compete with its competitors, such as Intel and Nvidia, on a power/efficiency standpoint?

[harrynowl]

Why does AMD struggle to compete with its competitors, such as Intel and Nvidia, on a power/efficiency standpoint?

AMD have to use older tech for longer as they don't have the R&D budget that intel/nvidia have when launching new product lines.

 

Although I'm impressed with GCNs compute and how far they got with K10.

[Epis]

Perhaps the 860K is AMD's response to the G3258?

 

As for the 8300 though...well, the AM3+ socket has been kinda dead for a while now.

[Ren]

If the 860k is based on Kaveri, it won't hit 5ghz because it'll have the same issues Kaveri has. There's a few people (like 2) on OCN that are trying for 5+ on liquid or air for a 7850k but there are issues w/these chips. For whatever reason, they have thermal instability and issues with voltage, massive ones. It's like Haswell except worse and I don't know why. I haven't done a ton of research on it seeing as many people don't even care but maybe with this chip, it'll be looked into more.

 

 

I'm eager to see more info come out from AMD in general, I guess. Nothing here is a surprise and I'm sure that people still think some things are. I urge you to not be, though.. The only decent thing is the possibility of these CPUs being decently priced compared to their brethren. Quad-core Steamrollers were expensive as balls for what they were, purely because they had a useless iGPU included that no one will ever use (R7 240 situation..). As for the 8320/8350 in comparison to the 8300, I can say with confidence that we won't be seeing a $120 8-core but we do know it'll be cheaper at MSRP than either of those were by a huge margin.

 

 

My expectations are $140 for the 8300 (a whopping $9 saving with a massively reduced clock, likely to not OC well) and $110 for the quad-core Athlon. It's funny because the 8-core seems as though its aimed towards gamers that want cheap, high performance due to the 95W TDP, meaning they can get a cheaper mobo. And in the other hand the Athlon has the newer architecture, meaning it has all the benefits of Kaveri minus the graphics cores, which leads me to believe you'd rather have a higher end motherboard for it to make use of OCing. Either way you aren't saving money...

[Deletive]

Wait so basically half the die is disabled? 

what a waste of space considering Steamroller is useless (doesn't scale) above anything past 4.5ghz

[Kamina]

2014 is the year of the rebadge for AMD CPUs(and Intel as well) until late 2015/early 2016. They really have nothing new to offer because of Globalfoundaries and TSMC and Intel is just lagging like AMD because they can.

[harrynowl]

@Ren 

 If the 860k is based on Kaveri, it won't hit 5ghz because it'll have the same issues Kaveri has. There's a few people (like 2) on OCN that are trying for 5+ on liquid or air for a 7850k but there are issues w/these chips. For whatever reason, they have thermal instability and issues with voltage, massive ones. It's like Haswell except worse and I don't know why. I haven't done a ton of research on it seeing as many people don't even care but maybe with this chip, it'll be looked into more.

The issue is the process used for the 28nm transistor technology. They used SOI in previous gen CPUs which clocked quite high with voltage.

 

They moved to SHP with 28nm which was designed to allow more space for GPU transistors without having stupid die sizes (a 12cu kaveri is 245mm^2 from memory which is like 70mm^2 below the FX8350 which has half as many transistors (1.2b vs 2.4b).

 

The downside was SHP doesn't clock as high as SOI which is why we're not seeing 4.5ghz+ CPUs.

[Opcode]

If the 860k is based on Kaveri, it won't hit 5ghz because it'll have the same issues Kaveri has. There's a few people (like 2) on OCN that are trying for 5+ on liquid or air for a 7850k but there are issues w/these chips. For whatever reason, they have thermal instability and issues with voltage, massive ones. It's like Haswell except worse and I don't know why. I haven't done a ton of research on it seeing as many people don't even care but maybe with this chip, it'll be looked into more.

 

 

I'm eager to see more info come out from AMD in general, I guess. Nothing here is a surprise and I'm sure that people still think some things are. I urge you to not be, though.. The only decent thing is the possibility of these CPUs being decently priced compared to their brethren. Quad-core Steamrollers were expensive as balls for what they were, purely because they had a useless iGPU included that no one will ever use (R7 240 situation..). As for the 8320/8350 in comparison to the 8300, I can say with confidence that we won't be seeing a $120 8-core but we do know it'll be cheaper at MSRP than either of those were by a huge margin.

 

 

My expectations are $140 for the 8300 (a whopping $9 saving with a massively reduced clock, likely to not OC well) and $110 for the quad-core Athlon. It's funny because the 8-core seems as though its aimed towards gamers that want cheap, high performance due to the 95W TDP, meaning they can get a cheaper mobo. And in the other hand the Athlon has the newer architecture, meaning it has all the benefits of Kaveri minus the graphics cores, which leads me to believe you'd rather have a higher end motherboard for it to make use of OCing. Either way you aren't saving money...

It's because of the manufacturing process used to make them. AMD settled with 28 SHP which would help with GPU transistor density. Kaveri has a 85% higher transistor count than Richland/Trinity. The manufacturing process lacks features such as thick metal stacks which hinders high clocks. So in short Kaveri wasn't designed to overclock well at all. AMD is hoping that HSA will make up for the lack of high clocks that they couldn't achieve with the chip. Tho all is not lost with Kaveri due to the CPU not overclocking well. The iGPU on the A10-7850k can punch 300+ MHz more than the stock frequency out of the box. Which leads to some pretty nice performance numbers in gaming.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tho of course none of that matters for the 860k since the iGPU is completely disabled. 

[Victor Golf]

AS far as I know, AMD has been providing a 8300/8100 chip for OEM manufacturers since the launch of bulldozer. This class of chip was never released to the market until now.

[atomicmonkey101]

but what is the performance? hhmmm.

[Misanthrope]

If it overclocks reasonably well (say getting it to 4.0-4.2) I'll definitely look hard at the 8300 since I was thinking about an 8320 with an AIO already so if I can save even more and get up there in performance with a bit less power even better.

 

But from what I skimmed through it likely wont overclock very well right?

[Guest]

While it's nice to not waste, this is still effectively AMD going "Buy our broken products!"

Intel does the same thing. Read up on cpu binning

[mr moose]

Why does AMD struggle to compete with its competitors, such as Intel and Nvidia, on a power/efficiency standpoint?

It comes down to having the cash for R+D, for the last 10 years they have been struggling financially.   

[mordorson]

Well, it's not the 8-core FX-85xx Steamroller we were hoping for, but it should give the new Pentium a serious run for its money in the budget gaming space.

[cesrai]

the 860K or the previous 760k and 750K was born from the broken APUs that they made

 

some came out of the APU production and found to have broken iGPU

 

so instead of throwing them away 

 

they just rebadge it as Athlon X4

do you have any sources I would like to know them you are basically saying all 750k and 760k are APU with broken iGPU 

 

nevermind