LTT Official Folding Month VI

[cbigfoot]

58 minutes ago, Kabai said:

I don't see my name in the sheet either I've filled out the form on Monday and didn't get any other confirmation. Just created my LTT and Folding account before submitting, but I don't think that should be a problem...

You are good see my post 2 posts up

[Kabai]

1 minute ago, cbigfoot said:

You are good we my post 2 posts up

Thanks!

[cbigfoot]

4 hours ago, Bersacker said:

Thank you for the explaination. I'm not concerned about the priorities but more on the Temp.
Of course this is limited by the GPU/CPU it self but This does stress my system quiet a but so i wanted to limit the temp by limiting the troughput. 

Thanks for the answer  

There are advanced methods to throttle the gpu to keep temps under control with varied functionality on my Linux laptop i have the gpu throttled down 300mhz/vram down 500mhz(Not sure if that command worked will tinker later today) for temp control it makes ~10f difference but loose ~100-200k/day

 

if its a desktop MSI After burner can control the gpu speed if its a laptop and windows its 50/50 depending on the mfg limits if its Linux there are Nvidia-SMI commands that will control the gpu speed (careful can case weird behavior)

[leadeater]

20 minutes ago, cbigfoot said:

There will be an update tonight when we pull for the first weigh in/points pull

Early initial projections show.. I am winning 

[Alex Atkin UK]

4 minutes ago, cbigfoot said:

There are advanced methods to throttle the gpu to keep temps under control with varied functionality on my Linux laptop i have the gpu throttled down 300mhz/vram down 500mhz(Not sure if that command worked will tinker later today) for temp control it makes ~10f difference but loose ~100-200k/day

 

if its a desktop MSI After burner can control the gpu speed if its a laptop and windows its 50/50 depending on the mfg limits if its Linux there are Nvidia-SMI commands that will control the gpu speed (careful can case weird behavior)

Yeah I was thinking more along the lines of throttling so the rest of the GPU can still be used, if its just about temperatures then changing the power limit and/or maximum clock rates work well.

[leadeater]

1 minute ago, Schnoz said:

Not if my watercooled 3090 and Titan Xp have anything to say about it!

 

...once I actually get them set up

 

*cough* *cough* I am winning!

[cbigfoot]

5 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Early initial projections show.. I am winning 

You and you datacenter wish you and your datacenter of idle cpus trying to stay cool in the spring…just because you are down under doesn’t mean 0 = winning this ain’t golf

 

dang it you beat me to it…

[Alex Atkin UK]

1 minute ago, leadeater said:

 

*cough* *cough* I am winning!

I see you are Folding on Intel Arc.

[cbigfoot]

2 minutes ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

I see you are Folding on Intel Arc.

Carful or he will rip you up with his thread rippers. 

[leadeater]

2 minutes ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

I see you are Folding on Intel Arc.

I was supposed to get stuff setup today but I didn't go in to the office. Ah well, tomorrow maybe.

 

Personally I think the scores and ranks should be based on WU count not points

[RollinLower]

19 minutes ago, leadeater said:

 

*cough* *cough* I am winning!

flattest line contest 2023, gold medal!

 

Personally i'm running into an issue where if i apply a full load to my server, the outlet on my APC PDU trips because it's pulling over 4 Amps. so i should either not fold on the CPU (not an option!) or get a beefier PDU (already on the way!)

[will0hlep]

Questions:

1) What is the difference between "Base Credit" and "Estimated Credit"?

 

2) How are Credit/Points calculated for a given work unit? are points just a measure of the number of calculations required to complete a given work unit?

managed to find an answer for these questions: https://foldingathome.org/support/faq/points/?lng=en

[cbigfoot]

18 minutes ago, RollinLower said:

flattest line contest 2023, gold medal!

 

Personally i'm running into an issue where if i apply a full load to my server, the outlet on my APC PDU trips because it's pulling over 4 Amps. so i should either not fold on the CPU (not an option!) or get a beefier PDU (already on the way!)

I guess let it keep tripping the pdu.

[leadeater]

5 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

Questions:

1) What is the difference between "Base Credit" and "Estimated Credit"?
 

2) How are Credit/Points calculated for a given work unit? are points just a measure of the number of calculations required to complete a given work unit?

 

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How are points determined?
Points are determined by the performance of each contributor’s folding hardware (CPU, GPU, etc.) relative to a reference benchmark machine. Before sending out any Work Units for a new project, we benchmark one or or more Work Units from that project on a dedicated machine. We then use the results to determine the points for all of the WUs in that project. On top of these base credits, we may add bonus points, described below.

 

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Bonus Points
The prompt completion of Work Units (WUs) is very important for the science we’re doing. In order to study the proteins we’re interested in, we need be able get the results back quickly. A faster turnaround also means that we can launch projects that are larger and more difficult than ever before. So in 2010 we introduced the Quick Return Bonus (QRB), which gives extra points to users who rapidly and reliably complete WUs. The QRB has been fairly successful in aligning points with scientific value, and we will continue to use it.

 

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How is the QRB determined?

We have a single benchmark machine, its most important component is its processor: a Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU 750 @ 2.67GHz. The machine’s OS is Linux. Here are the steps that we use to determine points for a project:

1. Take a WU from a project and run it on the benchmark machine until it finishes.
2. Measure the time it took to complete. Base credit awarded for the WU is then just a scaling factor multiplied by this time.
3. The timeout and deadline values are also simple functions of the time it took to complete. These are set primarily to give a donor a reasonable amount of time to finish a WU, but short enough so that any WU that gets sent out but not processed (e.g. donor quits FAH, forgets to re-start that WU, their computer dies, etc) can be retrieved and sent out again in a reasonable amount of time. Thus these values are set depending on what kind of hardware a project is being run on (uniprocessor, SMP, GPU) and how long the WU took to finish on the benchmark machine.
4. The k-factor, a coefficient in awarding bonus points, is currently set to a baseline value of 0.75, but may vary depending on the scientific value of a project.

The Folding@home software on your computer calculates Total Points as follows:

final_points = base_points * max(1, sqrt( k * deadline_length / elapsed_time))

 

TL;DR Base points is how long it would take on an i5 750 CPU only, you get bonus points for completing faster than this baseline metric.

[leadeater]

I gave in and setup 3 servers, CPU only but it's something. Will do more tomorrow hopefully.

[Alex Atkin UK]

49 minutes ago, leadeater said:

I gave in and setup 3 servers, CPU only but it's something. Will do more tomorrow hopefully.

Admittedly would have been funny if you hadn't managed to meet the minimum WUs to qualify, slightly more funny if @GOTSpectrum somehow didn't. (not that I'm wishing misfortune on anyone)

[DreamCat04]

Would I have a chance at winning something with my rig that "only" has an i7 12700K@5GHz and an RTX 3060Ti? I did try folding on this before when out houses' heater failed in spring but I can't remember what my PPD estimate was. I had around 130k PPD back with my Dell G5 5090 featuring an i7 9700 and an RTX 2060

[IkeaGnome]

5 minutes ago, DreamCat04 said:

Would I have a chance at winning something with my rig that "only" has an i7 12700K@5GHz and an RTX 3060Ti? I did try folding on this before when out houses' heater failed in spring but I can't remember what my PPD estimate was. I had around 130k PPD back with my Dell G5 5090 featuring an i7 9700 and an RTX 2060

Yes. Prizes are random draws unless specifically stated. As long as you beat the minimum requirements there’s an equal chance at getting a prize. 

[LAR_Systems]

8 hours ago, madprofessor207 said:

 

I just now restarted my computer and it's weirder than before.

The PPD being wild after a restart is 100% a bug in the F@H client, it goes insane if you reboot your system mid work on projects to the point I had to code the client to disable sending me PPD updates to the DB unless in a certain range of reality.

 

You let those slots run until they are completed and refresh the window and they will become normal, but they got some issue with the reward system calculation on their side if you reboot mid work unit.

 

Otherwise, I'm going to have to add more debugging ability to the client regarding why your GPU is not being detected by the client and why project etc. is not either as those are just givens on both my test systems in FF or Chrome on Window 10 & 11.

While they have not changed the version number of the client... just wondering, when approximately did you switch to it?
 

[Mxyzptlk]

9 hours ago, Shlouski said:

@Mxyzptlk What exactly are you running? 

 

Of course I don't care, I'm just asking for a friend, ummmm Bob, yes that's his name, Bob.

 

Bob also wants you to slow down, he doesn't want you to burn anything, he worries about you, what a nice guy.

 

 

Click the link in my sig, it’s 90% up to date. (Oh and spread out over 4 different utility power meters )

[LAR_Systems]

7 hours ago, justpoet said:

I had to refresh to see the debug button, and your interface seems to only get some info some of the time (like PPD, project info, used cores/threads), so page refreshes seem generally detrimental to do.  Does it need to be running during the initial grab of the project, or start of the slot?

It should populate almost everything off the bat on a refresh, then the updates are a slow trickle of random variables changing as the v8 FAH is socket based now and only sends what has changed to the front end, so you can wait a long time on some systems to get to where some things like PPD, Progress etc. change.

That said base elements like CPU/GPU project ID etc. be instant on the initial load, in my testing.

 

I wondering if the client is doing something odd based on device / drivers now etc.

 

Can you tell me what kind of GPU you have, as I only have Nvidia cards and have had a report of someone else seeing what I do on AMD cards.   Perhaps a Cuda / CL drivers messing something up etc.

 

 

[DreamCat04]

26 minutes ago, IkeaGnome said:

Yes. Prizes are random draws unless specifically stated. As long as you beat the minimum requirements there’s an equal chance at getting a prize. 

Ah, cool. So it's just like a regular giveaway, except you have to do a certain amount of WU's and earn a certain amount of points to enter? That's cool!

[LAR_Systems]

8 hours ago, justpoet said:

I had to refresh to see the debug button, and your interface seems to only get some info some of the time (like PPD, project info, used cores/threads), so page refreshes seem generally detrimental to do.  Does it need to be running during the initial grab of the project, or start of the slot?

Quick add on thought, if you could open the browser console and look for any errors your system could be throwing and tell me what kind of GPU you have that could help to see if something is being handled differently on hardware I don't have.

[Matt_797]

Whats the team number?

[Imakuni]

7 minutes ago, Matt_797 said:

Whats the team number?

Check the first post. There's a link to the FAQ there.