Termoil at Twitter. Elon is accompanied with guards at all times and a plan to charge money for API access broke links and embeds across the web.

[Doobeedoo]

Imagine needing freaking guards at your company man...

[wanderingfool2]

3 hours ago, Uttamattamakin said:

The BBC says they have the data and they are one of the most trusted news sources in the world.   Plus another source also double checked them and found the same or similar.   What do you want a scientific publication of the data that gets the Nobel Prize in economics first? 

You were the one who says that they cited data...they didn't cite data, in fact they say they have "exclusive academic data" which is short hand for the data they are saying backs them up is not released.  They used "data collected" by University xyz but that isn't citing sources.  Citing a source would be saying the study name, identifying information regarding the study...you know so if someone wanted to vet the source they could.  It's improper to try pretending that the data is cited, which is the post I responded to.  The BBC saying they have data in no way is citing sources

[mr moose]

20 hours ago, Doobeedoo said:

Imagine needing freaking guards at your company man...

It's not that uncommon,  Especially when you become a celebrity with unpopular opinions.  The saddest thing for me is that it just proves humans haven't changed since the dark ages.

 

[Brooksie359]

On 3/6/2023 at 2:52 PM, Vishera said:

Twitter allows terrorist organization to promote themselves and glorify their actions,

And the BBC is busy complaining about trolls...

Also funny they say can no longer protect against trolls implying that there weren't trolls on twitter before Elon lol. Sure it has gotten worse but I doubt there has even been a time where twitter wasn't a dumpster fire. Also not trying to justify Elon or anything as he is doing a horrible job. I am just stating that twitter has and always will be an incredible toxic place with trolls. 

[mdk777]

On 3/6/2023 at 2:55 PM, emosun said:

in short : Out of touch billionaire boomer terrible at running thing he knows nothing about.

Yeah, but at least he knows what generations are.

Boomers ended in 1964.

Elon was born in 1971.

 

So hate on our geriatric DOLTARD president and congress all you want.

 

But every generation can manage to mess things up.

 

 

[emosun]

8 minutes ago, mdk777 said:

Yeah, but at least he knows what generations are.

 

[Sauron]

On 3/6/2023 at 9:37 PM, Uttamattamakin said:

Firstly it has been revealed that he is being accompanied by bodyguards at all times due to him not feeling safe at Twitter HQ.  He appears to fear a corporate Coup.

...what even is a corporate coup? He is the sole legal owner, is he not? You can't just get control of twitter from him using physical violence...

On 3/7/2023 at 12:54 PM, 05032-Mendicant-Bias said:

All failures, including minor ones are very public, and turning twitter into a conservative highly monetized social media, runs against his other progressive companies like Starlink, SpaceX and Tesla.

Privatizing space and pushing individual electric vehicles at the expense of public transport is not progressive.

On 3/7/2023 at 1:44 AM, StDragon said:

Let us know when you can create a rocket company as good as SpaceX.

Sure, wire me the apartheid emerald mine money to invest in the dotcom bubble and I'll be right on it

[tkitch]

1 hour ago, Sauron said:

...what even is a corporate coup? He is the sole legal owner, is he not? You can't just get control of twitter from him using physical violence...

If he's dead, he's definitely not in control anymore.

 

So I'd say Physical Violence could absolutely get control away from him.

[Sauron]

35 minutes ago, tkitch said:

If he's dead, he's definitely not in control anymore.

 

So I'd say Physical Violence could absolutely get control away from him.

Let me rephrase: you can't get control yourself by harming him physically

[wanderingfool2]

2 hours ago, mdk777 said:

Yeah, but at least he knows what generations are.

The word boomer has actually been evolving in slang terms over the last few years (in reference to someone who is now percieved as being old or stuck in the past mentality...akin to the echo generation using the word grandpa to refer to anyone stuck int he past)

 

1 hour ago, Sauron said:

Privatizing space and pushing individual electric vehicles at the expense of public transport is not progressive.

Cost to put sats in orbit has dropped specifically because of the full privatization.  The NASA of old had so many cost overruns, and interference...which btw, even before space travel was still effectively contracted out by the government (just NASA had more control over/rights to the designs and such).

 

There will never be a way to push everyone to public transport, especially in NA where locations are so spread out.  Even if you have buses that ran 100% that was always ready for you, a 15 minute trip to the mall lets say in a car would still take at least 20-30 min on a bus (factoring in walking to the bus stop, the bus taking a longer route)  So if it's an option for electric vehicles or ICE, electric is better.

 

 

Just into the whole discussion of body-guards, it's really a non-story.  Zuckerberg reportedly has an office with bullet resistent glass, a panic button and 24/7 security...it's not an uncommon occurrence.

[mdk777]

15 minutes ago, wanderingfool2 said:

The word boomer has actually been evolving in slang terms over the last few years (in reference to someone who is now percieved as being old or stuck in the past mentality...akin to the echo generation using the word grandpa to refer to anyone stuck int he past)

Nothing proves  the intellectual superiority of an ideal, conviction or belief like resorting to name calling.

 

Seems like I heard some similar insults...was it the Mao little red book children?? Insulting their parents as they were taken away to re education camps? 

 

Nearly every generation thinks they have the NEW revolution.

Turns out it is the same old, simply renamed and rehashed. 

 

Enron, Bernie, bitcoin, Elon, tulips, South Sea company, cold fusion, mag lev....

 

Yeah, I lump all these self delusional manias in the same bin.

 

Just because millions of people subscribe to a particular wish thinking mass hysteria; those numbers alone do not make it any more sustainable or rational. 

 

 

 

[Sauron]

31 minutes ago, wanderingfool2 said:

Cost to put sats in orbit has dropped specifically because of the full privatization.  The NASA of old had so many cost overruns, and interference...which btw, even before space travel was still effectively contracted out by the government (just NASA had more control over/rights to the designs and such).

Nasa is underfunded and the US government instead poured its funds in private alternatives because of lobby groups. The existence of these entities is the reason Nasa has underperformed. Obviously you can use contractors but with private control what gets developed is now largely a matter of what is profitable and not what is good for space exploration or mankind.

33 minutes ago, wanderingfool2 said:

There will never be a way to push everyone to public transport, especially in NA where locations are so spread out.

It doesn't have to be everyone 100% of the time, it just has to be most people for daily commutes. Most people live in cities and there's no reason they couldn't commute to work using public transport if the infrastructure was improved.

[Uttamattamakin]

15 minutes ago, Sauron said:

It doesn't have to be everyone 100% of the time, it just has to be most people for daily commutes. Most people live in cities and there's no reason they couldn't commute to work using public transport if the infrastructure was improved.

I am going to do the impossible and AGREE with @wanderingfool2 on this.   In fact it can be demonstrated objectively why public transportation is not the answer people think it is.    Hamilton's principle of least action states that physical systems will evolve along the path that will minimize the action ( measured in units of Energy times Time).  People are complex but when you look at the aggregate way large groups of people move we also obey that rule. 

We follow the easiest path, the least resistive path, from one place to another.    Sauron you are right that for a lot of people that work in, say, the dense parts of major cities and live in other dense parts of those cities the path of least resistance for them, the path that takes the least time and uses the least energy and cost the least money is to take public transportation. 

The reason it will never fully replace cars, and everyone will always want a car, like a Tesla, is public transport can't get you to the sewage treatment plant. 

Why do I mention it.  The sewage plant is not a place that a lot of people want to go.  Few people work there and it smells bad.  However, if no one can get there then the rest of the city is pretty s****y.   There are lots of places like that in a city.  Factories, the dump, other industrial areas.  Plus not everyone wants to live in an apartment or condo.  Some want to and do need to live in rural areas.  As for getting rid of roads for rails... how will Trucks get into the dense walkable, bikeable cities without trucks? 

This actually DOES relate to the topic of the thread as it is illustrative of how Musk did not think over all the implications for the mature system he wanted to radically change.   Just make everyone ride the train or the bus sounds easy.  Just make every place that links to Twitter pay, sounds easy.  In practice it will have implications that disrupt or even destroy the very good thing we have.  Such changes need to be done thoughtfully.  In either case the issue is a type of infrastructure. 

 

Unpopular unrelated opinion the most livable fictional city is Night City.  In the city public transport can get you anywhere.  My head cannon is where there is not a train they send a car.  NPC's who are not RICH if they have a car they use it for carrying large loads only.  Meanwhile the mega rich and connected fly in basically scaled up drones.   A lesson for this discussion is that to get to that future required a lot of hard lesson learning, and rebuilding from scratch more than once. 

[Sauron]

2 minutes ago, Uttamattamakin said:

The reason it will never fully replace cars, and everyone will always want a car, like a Tesla, is public transport can't get you to the sewage treatment plant. 

As I said we don't need to completely remove cars, I would also still want a car if only to go hiking and climbing every so often; what matters is that most unnecessary car use is eliminated. With that said places that need workers on site can absolutely set up convenient public transport to reach them.

5 minutes ago, Uttamattamakin said:

As for getting rid of roads for rails... how will Trucks get into the dense walkable, bikeable cities without trucks?

Last mile transport is not the same as hauling the cargo from start to finish. Trucks are already not that common in city centers, industrial areas are typically placed on the edge of a city. Not that Tesla is offering a good alternative to trucks and in fact, battery electric trucks are inherently a pretty bad idea due to the weight of the battery impacting the maximum haul.

9 minutes ago, Uttamattamakin said:

Plus not everyone wants to live in an apartment or condo.

Most people live in one nonetheless.

10 minutes ago, Uttamattamakin said:

This actually DOES relate to the topic of the thread as it is illustrative of how Musk did not think over all the implications for the mature system he wanted to radically change.

Musk didn't think of anything, he bought Tesla and pays engineers to come up with ideas. His only personal contribution has been delaying californian high speed rail for decades with his hyperloop bullshit that was never going to work.

[oali24]

58 minutes ago, Uttamattamakin said:

I am going to do the impossible and AGREE with @wanderingfool2 on this.   In fact it can be demonstrated objectively why public transportation is not the answer people think it is.    Hamilton's principle of least action states that physical systems will evolve along the path that will minimize the action ( measured in units of Energy times Time).  People are complex but when you look at the aggregate way large groups of people move we also obey that rule. 

We follow the easiest path, the least resistive path, from one place to another.    Sauron you are right that for a lot of people that work in, say, the dense parts of major cities and live in other dense parts of those cities the path of least resistance for them, the path that takes the least time and uses the least energy and cost the least money is to take public transportation. 

The reason it will never fully replace cars, and everyone will always want a car, like a Tesla, is public transport can't get you to the sewage treatment plant. 

Why do I mention it.  The sewage plant is not a place that a lot of people want to go.  Few people work there and it smells bad.  However, if no one can get there then the rest of the city is pretty s****y.   There are lots of places like that in a city.  Factories, the dump, other industrial areas.  Plus not everyone wants to live in an apartment or condo.  Some want to and do need to live in rural areas.  As for getting rid of roads for rails... how will Trucks get into the dense walkable, bikeable cities without trucks? 

This actually DOES relate to the topic of the thread as it is illustrative of how Musk did not think over all the implications for the mature system he wanted to radically change.   Just make everyone ride the train or the bus sounds easy.  Just make every place that links to Twitter pay, sounds easy.  In practice it will have implications that disrupt or even destroy the very good thing we have.  Such changes need to be done thoughtfully.  In either case the issue is a type of infrastructure. 

 

Unpopular unrelated opinion the most livable fictional city is Night City.  In the city public transport can get you anywhere.  My head cannon is where there is not a train they send a car.  NPC's who are not RICH if they have a car they use it for carrying large loads only.  Meanwhile the mega rich and connected fly in basically scaled up drones.   A lesson for this discussion is that to get to that future required a lot of hard lesson learning, and rebuilding from scratch more than once. 

I think your partly right that in many areas of US the urban environment has been built in a way where public transport if it did exist in those areas would not be especially effective, but at the same time those areas could be redeveloped incrementally until public transport is more effective.

 

Why couldn't public transport connect a sewage treatment plant or other industrial areas? As long as their are people who work there, industrial areas will form around where there is infrastructure to run them, if anything those areas would probably be denser in people than rural farmland and would be more connectable.

[wanderingfool2]

45 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Last mile transport is not the same as hauling the cargo from start to finish. Trucks are already not that common in city centers, industrial areas are typically placed on the edge of a city. Not that Tesla is offering a good alternative to trucks and in fact, battery electric trucks are inherently a pretty bad idea due to the weight of the battery impacting the maximum haul.

Tesla Semi, 500 mile range (roughly a day of driving, excluding recharging at stops), and given the estimates from some of the press photos of it carrying max capacity it has a similar weight capacity as a normal diesel semi (maybe a few tonnes less, but it's like rockets...the majority of the time it's not actually full loads either volume constrained or just not feasible packing it full).  The biggest issue is actually the charging capacity, you need a megawatt charger.

 

50 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Musk didn't think of anything, he bought Tesla and pays engineers to come up with ideas.

He joined Tesla when there was realistically the founders with the concept of the name...Tesla Motors was apparently already a trademarked (since 1994), so can't even claim the other founders had that even (since he was already on the team when they had to procure the names Tesla Motors), he provided the initial funding and brought in the engineers (and had the say on how the car should look).  If it was as easy as you seem to think it is, then there would be a lot more people succeeding.  (As an example, Rivian got all that IPO funding money and they are set to become bankrupt in a few years).  There is a difference between having money and throwing money at a solution, vs having money and knowing where and how to spend it while attracting the talent that he has.

[Uttamattamakin]

1 hour ago, oali24 said:

Why couldn't public transport connect a sewage treatment plant or other industrial areas? As long as their are people who work there, industrial areas will form around where there is infrastructure to run them, if anything those areas would probably be denser in people than rural farmland and would be more connectable.

Once built a sewage treatment plant needs few workers and tends to be far away from homes shops etc.  Like a lot of infrastructure and industrial places it just can't be close to where people live. 

[oali24]

10 minutes ago, Uttamattamakin said:

Once built a sewage treatment plant needs few workers and tends to be far away from homes shops etc.  Like a lot of infrastructure and industrial places it just can't be close to where people live. 

yeah sure but there are probably enough people who work there to justify some sort of transport, there are probably other factories or industrial areas around the sewage plant, why couldn't public transport be there?

[Uttamattamakin]

49 minutes ago, oali24 said:

yeah sure but there are probably enough people who work there to justify some sort of transport, there are probably other factories or industrial areas around the sewage plant, why couldn't public transport be there?

Ideally if all we care about is transport.  But does a company want to work with the earthy scent of human feces permeating on a hot, humid, Midwestern summer day.  Sewage smell causes issues for medical manufacturing company | Watch (msn.com)

 

An interesting read on Twitters financial state.  How long does Twitter have left? - by Dave Karpf (substack.com).  

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How much longer can Twitter last, really?

 

It’s already real bad over there. Elon Musk said yesterday that ad revenues have fallen 50%. The site is experiencing major outages almost once a week. During the most recent outage earlier this week, Elon was laser-focused on the important stuff: reply-guying Jordan Peterson. The Twitter Blue rollout has been such a disaster that he fired almost the entire team. The company isn’t paying rent on its office space. It recently tried to create a new income stream by selling office plants to employees.

 

But take a deeper look and the company is in even worse shape than it appears. Twitter has two financial time bombs waiting to go off. My hunch is that Elon will file for bankruptcy as soon as one of these time bombs self-detonates. I can’t say exactly when that will be.

I give it about six months.

[HenrySalayne]

Do we ignore that Elon mocked a disabled person and ows them now roughly $100,000,000 for the termination of their contract?

 

Maybe it's time for a new WAN game.

@LinusTech and Luke are presented actual and made-up headlines regarding Twitter and they have to find the real ones.

Disclaimer: Since this idea is not really original, you can do whatever you want with it and I promise I won't use DMCA to strike your channel.

 

[oali24]

1 hour ago, Uttamattamakin said:

Ideally if all we care about is transport.  But does a company want to work with the earthy scent of human feces permeating on a hot, humid, Midwestern summer day.  Sewage smell causes issues for medical manufacturing company | Watch (msn.com)

I'm sure it can be managed, I am from a poor country with very little public transport but I know that companies run buses to pick up their workers and take them to the factory because the workers are too poor to own a car. It is doable, one case does not prove anything, are you really telling me that the workers don't need to commute to the plant? You can still have public transport even if its not a residential neighborhood in the middle of a city.

[wanderingfool2]

32 minutes ago, HenrySalayne said:

Do we ignore that Elon mocked a disabled person and ows them now roughly $100,000,000 for the termination of their contract?

I would say it depends what one considers to be "mocking a disabled person".

 

Breach of confidential information, sure that's on the table with the tweets.

 

While Musk admitted he had been misinformed in terms of what Halli did at the company, I wouldn't call it mocking though.  He never made fun of the disability from what I saw, he did question why someone who is unable to type for work can tweet so much, and did imply that he used that as an excuse not to work...but that isn't exactly mocking the disability.

[NF-A12x25]

6 hours ago, mdk777 said:

Nothing proves  the intellectual superiority of an ideal, conviction or belief like resorting to name calling.

 

Seems like I heard some similar insults...was it the Mao little red book children?? Insulting their parents as they were taken away to re education camps? 

 

Nearly every generation thinks they have the NEW revolution.

Turns out it is the same old, simply renamed and rehashed. 

 

Enron, Bernie, bitcoin, Elon, tulips, South Sea company, cold fusion, mag lev....

 

Yeah, I lump all these self delusional manias in the same bin.

 

Just because millions of people subscribe to a particular wish thinking mass hysteria; those numbers alone do not make it any more sustainable or rational. 

 

 

 

this post reads like a boomer rant

[mdk777]

2 hours ago, NF-A12x25 said:

his post reads like a boomer rant

Historian rant.

Seen it all happen 100x over.

 

 

 

[Kisai]

4 hours ago, HenrySalayne said:

Do we ignore that Elon mocked a disabled person and ows them now roughly $100,000,000 for the termination of their contract?

 

Maybe it's time for a new WAN game.

@LinusTech and Luke are presented actual and made-up headlines regarding Twitter and they have to find the real ones.

Disclaimer: Since this idea is not really original, you can do whatever you want with it and I promise I won't use DMCA to strike your channel.

 

Let's make it interesting.

 

https://www.theonion.com/ai-chatbot-obviously-trying-to-wind-down-conversation-w-1850146151

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SAN FRANCISCO—After it dropped clear hints that it wanted to end the back and forth of the artificial conversation, sources reported Monday that AI chatbot ChatGPT was obviously trying to wind down its conversation with a boring human.

https://www.theregister.com/2023/03/08/meta_llama_ai_leak/

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LLaMA, Meta's latest large language model, has leaked online and is available for download, despite apparent attempts to limit access for research purposes only.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/wall-street-ai-stock-price-1235343279/

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When Endeavor CEO Ari Emanuel opened his company’s earnings call with prepared remarks Feb. 28, a casual listener hearing him tout the UFC and WME might have missed the most interesting part: Emanuel wasn’t speaking at all.

 

Well, he sort of was. The words were his, and the voice was his, but rather than Emanuel speaking into a microphone (opening remarks on earnings calls are often pretaped), the comments were the product of a generative artificial intelligence firm called Speechify.

 

Now which one of these sounds more like "The Onion" ?

 

To be fair, TheOnion doesn't make stuff up about Twitter very often. So I picked the first "tech" article.