i5-13600K hitting 100C & Thermal Throttling in Cinebench

[Bobzor]

Hi, I just built a new PC & used Cinebench to Stress Test it & consistently, non-stop, the CPU was at 100C the entire time & was Thermal Throttling. The CPU is a i5-13600K, the CPU Cooler is a Noctua NH-D15. Can anyone help?

[PDifolco]

I see you're using XTU, did you OC your chip ? An OCed 13600k is kinda very hot ...

What are your power draw and clocks ?

[Bobzor]

I have everything set to default, I didn't OC anything sadly lol. Where can I check Clocks & Power Draw?

[PDifolco]

Just now, Bobzor said:

I have everything set to default, I didn't OC anything sadly lol. Where can I check Clocks & Power Draw?

At stock a DH15 should fare quite better, are you sure it's properly installed, and fans are spinning full speed (and in the same direction lol)  ?

 

Install HWInfo64 to check everything

[Bobzor]

Both fans are pointing in the same direction, yup lol. I've installed CPUs & CPU Fans before. Followed the instructions, applied Thermal Paste, installed the fan.

[Bobzor]

Here's everything at a time when I'm not Stress Testing.

[PDifolco]

6 minutes ago, Bobzor said:

Here's everything at a time when I'm not Stress Testing.

Can't see temps and power draw, at idle and when stressing ...

 

[Bobzor]

What would you need to see next?

[BetteBalterZen]

Is the Noctua NH-D15 a new cooler or have you used it before? 

Edit: after a quick search, seems like there's no film on new Noctua coolers, only big plastic covers. My thought was that you may have forgotten to pull of a film on the contact surface. 

[Bobzor]

Brand new. I forgot to mention something important, the 140mm Fan over my RAM wouldn't fit in the case so I swapped it out with a 120mm Noctua NF-A12x25 PWM. One of the original 140mm fans is in-between the heatsinks.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

Btw what case? A garbage hotbox with no airflow will ofc ruin your temps even if you got a d15

[DoctorNick]

28 minutes ago, Bobzor said:

Brand new. I forgot to mention something important, the 140mm Fan over my RAM wouldn't fit in the case so I swapped it out with a 120mm Noctua NF-A12x25 PWM. One of the original 140mm fans is in-between the heatsinks.

Reseat the cooler and make sure the bracket is properly screwed in all the way. Also make sure to tighten the screws down all the way. Clean off the old paste before applying new.

[Bobzor]

Fractal Design Meshify 2 XL, 3 140mm Fans on the Front & Top. I'm ordering some new thermal paste, ARCTIC MX-4. The paste I got with the Cooler was like putty, I'm guessing that's not the reason though.

[xg32]

a d15 should be able to handle 175-200w power draw, check the actual power draw at full load

[Bobzor]

In my original post the screenshot where I'm stress testing at full load shows a Package TDP of 187W

[Mark Kaine]

yeah, that cooler should be good,  even though almost 200w is a lot obviously,  i thought those newer intels would draw ~300, but its only a 6core, so you should be good. As others have said remount the cooler, tighten the screws until they stop, its very noticeable with those (i love noctua coolers for that reason) 

 

the stock paste is fine usually too... wait it was pre-applied? my noctua just came with a tiny tube, barely enough for a meal 2 applications...

 

Arctic mx4 is very good too, hope all goes well

 

ps: ah, i misunderstood,  nah the noctua and mx4 pastes are very similar,  last time I ran out of the noctua and just mixed it with mx4 no problem, so that's not why this is happening  

[Bobzor]

I'm hoping it's as simple as just needing to reseat & tighten the screws a bit more lol. MX-4 should be coming in tomorrow so I'll update after that.

[Bobzor]

 

If the remounting doesn't solve it, could it be that I just got a dud Noctua NH-D15? Like something went wrong in the manufacturing process & try to get another one?

[Bobzor]

Used new Thermal Paste (was out of the other one) MX-4, re-mounted the Noctua NH-D15. Followed the instruction, step-by-step, making sure EVERYTHING is tightened fully. Still getting the EXACT same Temps. When starting Cinebench the i5-13600k IMMEDIATELY jumps to 100C & stays there. I have no clue why this is happening. I checked Fan Curves in the BIOS, they look okay & are for sure supposed to hit 100%. I don't know.

[Bobzor]

Honestly, I really need help.

[-rascal-]

48 minutes ago, Bobzor said:

Used new Thermal Paste (was out of the other one) MX-4, re-mounted the Noctua NH-D15. Followed the instruction, step-by-step, making sure EVERYTHING is tightened fully. Still getting the EXACT same Temps. When starting Cinebench the i5-13600k IMMEDIATELY jumps to 100C & stays there. I have no clue why this is happening. I checked Fan Curves in the BIOS, they look okay & are for sure supposed to hit 100%. I don't know.

 

I'm wondering if the 13th Gen CPUs suffer the same CPU warping that the 12th Gen CPUs did, impacting the cooling performance.

If you need something like the Thermal Grizzly Contact Frame.

 

 

 

 

[Bobzor]

I know they're both LGA 1700, but is there any way this won't be compatible?

[-rascal-]

13 minutes ago, Bobzor said:

I know they're both LGA 1700, but is there any way this won't be compatible?

 

The CPU socket and shape between 12th Gen and 13th Gen are exactly the same.

It will work.

 

 

It looks like something like Multi-Core Enhancement (MCE) is enabled in the BIOS or something.

Checking out some 13600K reviews, when running Cinebench, the CPU doesn't need to push itself to the ~181W limit.

It should sit at 5.1 GHz drawing the rated 165W. Your screenshot is showing it hitting 184W.

They are using a NH-D15 to cool the CPU as well.

https://www.club386.com/intel-core-i5-13600k-review-the-best-cpu/

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Analysis shows Intel achieves higher frequencies this generation by adding more coal to the fire, which is enough to ensure the all-core speed consistently hovers at peak 5.1GHz for performant P-cores.

 

In fact, for most multi-core benchmarks the chip doesn’t need to scale to the upper limit of 181W. Applications such as Cinebench, Geekbench and even Blender chug along fine at an all-core 5.1GHz by using no more than 165W package power.

 

[Bobzor]

After watching the video it seems to have to precisely hit a certain number of neuton-meters of torque... I've never done this before & don't even know of a tool to do this. Why is this socket such a pain in the ass & how did Intel miss this issue? lol. I don't even know if I'll be able to do that.

 

In terms of the BIOS, everything is default, nothing is overclocked.

[-rascal-]

5 minutes ago, Bobzor said:

After watching the video it seems to have to precisely hit a certain number of neuton-meters of torque... I've never done this before & don't even know of a tool to do this. Why is this socket such a pain in the ass & how did Intel miss this issue? lol. I don't even know if I'll be able to do that.

 

In terms of the BIOS, everything is default, nothing is overclocked.

 

Some more digging.

It looks like MSi motherboards sets the PL1 and PL2 power settings, and stock voltage too high by default.

 

But it could be a combination of power / voltages, and not-so-great contact.

You'll have to try things out.

 

Also, quote people, otherwise they don't get notified when you reply.

 

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EDIT:

I got it!

MSI Mainboard has a feature called 'CPU Lite Load mode'.

Its under OC Setting -> Advanced CPU Settings.

This basically sets the CPU voltage to what MSI thinks is stable. On this CPU it doesnt seem configured right. Mine was at Mode 12, set it Mode 9 and now everthing is fine, max 90 degrees under full load.

Voltag out of box is set to high by MSI.

 

 

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Well, I found out that the Z690 tomahawk BIOS with default settings sets CPU Cooler Tuning to the Water Cooler which sets PL1 and PL2 to extreme values. When I set it to the stock cooler (the 180W), in Cinebench it doesn't go past 84-86C. I also ordered the contact frame which will arrive around friday so then I will mount it and test more.