zen 4 AMD Ryzen 7000 Zen4 “Raphael” Desktop CPU Review Roundup: Ryzen 5 7600X, Ryzen 7 7700X, Ryzen 9 7900X & Ryzen 9 7950X Thoroughly Benchmarked

[Doobeedoo]

Overall mostly what I expected. Solid improvement. But for me, I plan to wait for 3D-cache part, it just makes much more sense though, it can be quite potent in games and it would be way better investment on a new platform. Hopefully by it's release we have entire range of mobos to choose from and, which it seems we will and also hopefully those sweet spot memory kits fall in price more.

[porina]

30 minutes ago, williamcll said:

I wonder will there be a 7300X or a 7500 lower spec processor.

Quad core? Did we get a quad core chiplet part for Zen 3? I don't recall there being one. Technically it should remain possible, but it doesn't make sense unless they have really bad yield, especially once they bring Zen 4 APUs online. 

[leadeater]

11 minutes ago, porina said:

Quad core? Did we get a quad core chiplet part for Zen 3? I don't recall there being one. Technically it should remain possible, but it doesn't make sense unless they have really bad yield, especially once they bring Zen 4 APUs online. 

No, only Ryzen 3000 had a 1 CCD 4 active core option, Ryzen 5000 did not.

[LAwLz]

1 hour ago, Stahlmann said:

Just wait for B-series motherboards which should start around $125 from what i heard. The B-series chipsets typically have everything a gamer could ever need. X-series chipsets were always in a weird place in terms of price / performance.

 

If you're looking for the best deal, you shouldn't be looking at the newest products.

I have no doubt that the B-series boards will be cheaper, but as Gamers Nexus pointed out, even the really expensive X-series boards are fairly barebones.

If we do end up getting 125 dollar B-series motherboards then the risk is that the will be much crap.

 

It's hard to judge motherboards right now since the cheaper stuff hasn't been announced, and we don't have precise prices for the more expensive stuff, but right now it seems like Intel will kick AMD's butt when it comes to value for the motherboards. Everything so far points towards you getting far more for your money with an Intel motherboard vs an AMD motherboard. Especially if you also factor in the fact that you can use DDR4 with Intel's processors.

 

 

I think Gamers Nexus will be right on the money when they say AMD is very expensive this generation when you factor in the cost of the motherboard and memory. That will probably hold true regardless of what you compare AM5 with. AM4, Intel 12th and 13th gen will most likely offer significantly better value overall.

[tim0901]

5 hours ago, Spotty said:

Has there been any discussion yet about the possibility of lower end 7000 series Ryzen CPUs, like a 7100X, 7200X, 7400X? Something to compete with Intel's i3 CPUs like the 12100F(/13100?) and 12400(/13400?)?

AMD released new low-end parts only back in April in the form of the 4100/4300/4500.

 

Except because they're all Zen 2 based, their price/performance is absolute trash and nobody should buy them. The 4100 for example is the same price as the 12100, but only provides ~2/3 the performance.

 

Slightly above that they released the 5500 at a similar time, which is at the very least a Zen 3 part, but it performs about the same as the 3600, with the 12400 offering ~20% more performance for ~10% more money. So it's not exactly a good purchase unless you already have an AM4 motherboard, but being a low-end part it's probably not going to provide a meaningful upgrade given you'll need a B450 motherboard or later, so chances are you're running a 3000 series CPU already.

Because of these releases, I wouldn't expect any low-end parts from AMD for a while. Low-end 7000 series CPUs wouldn't really make much sense anyway given you'd have to pair them with expensive AM5 motherboards and DDR5. It's a shame, but I think AMD is out of the low-end game for a while unless they decide to release yet more Zen 3 parts.

[tim0901]

4 hours ago, Dogzilla07 said:

Yup, this is quite disastrous. as it will not make AMD feel threatened.

That depends entirely on price. A 12600K (which is effectively what the 13400 seems to be according to the leaks) for the price of a 12400 sounds like a killer value to me, especially when paired with DDR4 and a B660/H610 motherboard. It still being Alder Lake based isn't a problem if the price is right.

[MageTank]

Well since the embargo is lifted, figured I'd throw my testing in:

 

•    Motherboard: ASrock X670E Steel Legend
•    Cooler: Cooler Master ML240L V2 AIO (pump 100%, fans auto)
•    Chassis: Cooler Master MasterFrame 700 Open Bench
•    Memory: G Skill Ripjaws F5-5600J3636C16GX2-RS5W (2x16GB 5600 C36) (EXPO loaded)
•    Ambient Room Temp: 74F

 

Also did some basic XMP (EXPO) scaling with several different kits:

• Motherboard: ASRock X670E Steel Legend
• Cooler: Cooler Master ML240L V2 AIO (pump 100%, fans auto)
• Chassis: Cooler Master MasterFrame 700 Open Bench
• Memory: Varies (component under test)
• CPU: Ryzen 9 7900X
• Ambient Room Temp: 74F

Note: Red is average, green is minimum. Benchmark was configured on 1080p Extreme preset, 3 passes enabled and averaged. Results sorted by minimum framerates.

 

Memory on this platform is configured in a 3:2 ratio (MEMCLK/FCLK) instead of 1:1 from previous Ryzen generations. This means if you have a memory frequency of 6000Mhz, you have a fabric frequency of 2000Mhz. On previous Zen processors, unstrapped ratios resulted in a hard 10ns latency penalty, haven't done any real latency testing or manual memory overclocking yet to confirm this. Will be spending a lot of time testing this architecture to figure this out. So far, scaling seems to be pretty poor if we are just comparing EXPO from 4800 to 6000. If anyone knows of better games to test memory frequency on, let me know and I'll run through more tests.

[ZetZet]

1 hour ago, LAwLz said:

I have no doubt that the B-series boards will be cheaper, but as Gamers Nexus pointed out, even the really expensive X-series boards are fairly barebones.

The prices are absolutely insane at the moment. X670-P from MSI doesn't even have PCIe Gen5 for GPU and it costs 300 usd. You can get a Z690 board for less money with more features, the only thing that Ryzen has is a gen 5 m.2 slot, which is extremely useless.  

[HenrySalayne]

12 hours ago, ZetZet said:

The prices are absolutely insane at the moment. X670-P from MSI doesn't even have PCIe Gen5 for GPU and it costs 300 usd. You can get a Z690 board for less money with more features, the only thing that Ryzen has is a gen 5 m.2 slot, which is extremely useless.  

Sadly, yeah.

An X570 E-Gaming cost 300€ and you could get a 3900X for 430€ in March of 2020.

An X670E E-Gaming costs 600€ with the 7900X being at 670€ 2.5 years later. Big oof. That's 70% more for the same performance tier.

 

Intel might just beat AMD with the more affordable platform (perf/$) this time around. The 13700K is supposed to be a slightly faster 12900k - if it keeps the price point of the 12700K... this is the way.

 

[GuiltySpark_]

Really looking forward to more coverage on undervolting this generation. Two years of PBO2/CO tinkering with my 5800x and now that I'm looking to aircool a 7900x, this is of much interest. Optimum Tech put out something today and Steve@GN said its a very interesting topic that he'll be covering in his livestream last night.

 

 

 

*edit*

 

Watched it and yeah, not much has changed and results are pretty great. Obviously, like with his Zen3 CO video, its pretty basic but gets the point across. There is a lot more tweaking to do.

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

I grabbed a 7700x on a good deal but it is going to sit here in the box until I can get a "decent" $225-250 board. The X670 boards are a joke atm. $479 for 16 power stages (MSI Carbon... No thanks)

[BiG StroOnZ]

Huge gains from Undervolting a 7950X from Brian @ Tech YES City:

 

 

Added to OP.

[GuiltySpark_]

1 hour ago, CHICKSLAYA said:

I grabbed a 7700x on a good deal but it is going to sit here in the box until I can get a "decent" $225-250 board. The X670 boards are a joke atm. $479 for 16 power stages (MSI Carbon... No thanks)

They are a joke. Though with the rebate the Asrock Taichi has 24+2+1 for the same money. 

 

Some B650/E leaks: 

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/sixteen-amd-b650e-b650-motherboards-for-ryzen-7000-cpus-have-been-leaked

[GuiltySpark_]

1 hour ago, BiG StroOnZ said:

Huge gains from Undervolting a 7950X from Brian @ Tech YES City:

 

 

Added to OP.

Wendell did one too. 

 

 

[GuiltySpark_]

I should have had more self control and waited for B650. 
 

 

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

8 hours ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

I should have had more self control and waited for B650. 
 

 

Holy crap lol 

[starsmine]

Already microcenter with the deals,
5600 CL36, 1.2v so the ram might go higher with 1.35v
20 dollar bundle is with compatible mobo but with that I might wait still, selection of x670 boards at reasonable prices are limited

[BiG StroOnZ]

This is a cool summary of overall performance (25 launch reviews with ~4730 benchmarks of 15 CPUs from Zen3, ADL, Zen4):

 

 

https://www.3dcenter.org/artikel/launch-analyse-amd-ryzen-7000

 

Going to add to OP.

[GuiltySpark_]

We're up with extremely little fuss. EXPO enabled with no issues doing 6000 30-38-38-96. I have NOT done any tweaking yet but at completely stock, the AK620 has the 7900x idling around 43 and under a muilticore load in CB23 peaks at 92c Tctl/Tdie after 5 minutes. During the runs I was seeing 5Ghz on CCD1 and 4.7Ghz on CCD2 which i'm hoping to improve.

 

This Asrock board has this fun problem at the moment where if EXPO is enabled, the option for Sleep disappears entirely from Windows. Looks like i'm not the only one seeing this either but i'm sure it'll get ironed out.

 

Time to play with Curve Optimizer.

 

First boot before EXPO was enabled: 

 

[BiG StroOnZ]

36 minutes ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

We're up with extremely little fuss. EXPO enabled with no issues doing 6000 30-38-38-96. I have NOT done any tweaking yet but at completely stock, the AK620 has the 7900x idling around 43 and under a muilticore load in CB23 peaks at 92c Tctl/Tdie after 5 minutes. During the runs I was seeing 5Ghz on CCD1 and 4.7Ghz on CCD2 which i'm hoping to improve.

 

This Asrock board has this fun problem at the moment where if EXPO is enabled, the option for Sleep disappears entirely from Windows. Looks like i'm not the only one seeing this either but i'm sure it'll get ironed out.

 

Time to play with Curve Optimizer.

 

First boot before EXPO was enabled: 

 

 

Looks nice, I must say, very clean!

 

What's the full spec list and what are you coming from? Can you give any thoughts on first impressions performance wise? When you get a chance to play some games, again what are your thoughts on that and how much improvement did you see from your previous setup?

 

Also, how was the memory training?

 

Thanks.  

[BiG StroOnZ]

Looks like some B650 motherboard pricing has been listed (starts at $199 for MSI so far):

 

Quote

 

• MSI MPG B650 Carbon WIFI – $329.99 US
• MSI MPG B650 EDGE WIFI – $289.99 US
• MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk WIFI – $259.00 US
• MSI MPG B650I EDGE WIFI – $239.99 US
• MSI MAG B650M Mortar WIFI – $239.99 US
• MSI PRO B650-P WIFI – $219.99 US
• MSI PRO B650M-A WIFI – $199.99 US

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/first-msi-b650-motherboards-for-ryzen-7000-cpus-are-now-listed-for-at-least-199-usd

 

[GuiltySpark_]

36 minutes ago, BiG StroOnZ said:

 

Looks nice, I must say, very clean!

 

What's the full spec list and what are you coming from? Can you give any thoughts on first impressions performance wise? When you get a chance to play some games, again what are your thoughts on that and how much improvement did you see from your previous setup?

 

Also, how was the memory training?

 

Thanks.  

-Fractal Torrent
-Asrock X670E Taichi
-Ryzen 9 7900x
-RTX 3090FE
-32GB G.Skill Trident Z5 DDR5-6000 CL30
-Super Flower Leadex Platinum SE 1000W
-DeepCool AK620
-1TB WD SN770

-2TB Samsung 860 Evo

 

Came from a 5800x system with that same 3090 so it wasn't that drastic of an upgrade. 
 

I really only finished it a few hours ago and i'm still in the process of setting everything up so no real testing so far. That being said, gaming wise I don't expect a huge difference as even with a 3090 i'm completely GPU bottlenecked at 3840x1600. The primary goal for the "upgrade" was mainly just to tinker with the new stuff as I got a little bored of the 5800x system after two years. 

 

Memory training on first boot took about 40 seconds it seemed like and after that its been fine, though there is still a bit of a delay between power on and seeing the Asrock logo come up which i'm hoping improves as BIOS updates are released. The no Sleep situation with EXPO enabled is so far the most annoying thing but if that's it, I think i'm doing alright as I can live with that for the time being. 

 

 

[BiG StroOnZ]

18 minutes ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

-Fractal Torrent
-Asrock X670E Taichi
-Ryzen 9 7900x
-RTX 3090FE
-32GB G.Skill Trident Z5 DDR5-6000 CL30
-Super Flower Leadex Platinum SE 1000W
-DeepCool AK620
-1TB WD SN770

-2TB Samsung 860 Evo

 

Came from a 5800x system with that same 3090 so it wasn't that drastic of an upgrade. 
 

I really only finished it a few hours ago and i'm still in the process of setting everything up so no real testing so far. That being said, gaming wise I don't expect a huge difference as even with a 3090 i'm completely GPU bottlenecked at 3840x1600. The primary goal for the "upgrade" was mainly just to tinker with the new stuff as I got a little bored of the 5800x system after two years. 

 

Memory training on first boot took about 40 seconds it seemed like and after that its been fine, though there is still a bit of a delay between power on and seeing the Asrock logo come up which i'm hoping improves as BIOS updates are released. The no Sleep situation with EXPO enabled is so far the most annoying thing but if that's it, I think i'm doing alright as I can live with that for the time being. 

 

Basically you have one of the best systems you can build today. Only going up to a 7950X and 3090 Ti would make it better (excluding 4090/4080). 

 

I wouldn't say that it's not that drastic of an upgrade, as compared to a 5800X the 7900X is 62% faster on average in Application Performance and around 20% faster in Gaming Performance. You should definitely notice something.

 

Well when you finish setting everything up, and have some time using it, I wouldn't mind hearing your opinions on the platform so far. 

 

3840x1600 will definitely be a pretty GPU bound, but you should still see some performance differences compared to the 5800x system. I'm mainly interested in the user experience as opposed to the raw data.

 

What is your primary use for this system? Because dropping around $1300 on only CPU/Motherboard/Memory out of boredom is pretty hardcore lol. 

 

That's good to hear that the memory training isn't as bad as they made it out to be. Some Tech Tubers were having some issues with the memory training, and it seemed like if people out in the wild were experiencing it they might overlook the fact that it was simply memory training (and assume it was hardware failure). 

 

Yeah the no sleep situation is definitely weird, might be addressed both in a Windows Update and BIOS revision. Are you using Windows 11 or 10?

[GuiltySpark_]

2 minutes ago, BiG StroOnZ said:

I wouldn't say that it's not that drastic of an upgrade, as compared to a 5800X the 7900X is 62% faster on average in Application Performance and around 20% faster in Gaming Performance. You should definitely notice something.

That 20% faster is based on what? When you're heavily GPU bottlenecked gaming performance in most games is not that different between most modern high end CPU's. 

2 minutes ago, BiG StroOnZ said:

What is your primary use for this system? Because dropping around $1300 on only CPU/Motherboard/Memory out of boredom is pretty hardcore lol. 

Hardware is just a hobby, more or less my only one so mainly just for fun and boredom of my old system. Overkill for sure but that's kind of the whole point. 

2 minutes ago, BiG StroOnZ said:

Are you using Windows 11 or 10?

11, 22H2 full patched. 

[BiG StroOnZ]

3 minutes ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

That 20% faster is based on what? When you're heavily GPU bottlenecked gaming performance in most games is not that different between most modern high end CPU's. 

 

Hardware is just a hobby, more or less my only one so mainly just for fun and boredom of my old system. Overkill for sure but that's kind of the whole point. 

 

11, 22H2 full patched. 

 

I'm basing the 20% on the performance summary of 25 reviews:

 

https://www.3dcenter.org/artikel/launch-analyse-amd-ryzen-7000/launch-analyse-amd-ryzen-7000-seite-4

 

Those reviews also include 4K data, so it's not only 1080p/1440p benchmarks. You're correct that generally when being GPU bound you will not see that great of a difference between CPUs, but Zen 4 still has greater single-threaded performance than Zen 3; therefore, it will be impossible to not see some sort of performance difference. It might not be great, but it should still be apparent.

 

If you embark on these hardware journeys just for fun and boredom, do you plan on grabbing a 4090 or 4080 also?  

 

How's the desktop experience in Windows 11 so far with the CPU? Snappy, responsive, etc.?