Will You Buy Alder Lake, or Wait for 2022?

[Thinkfreely]

Been forever since I posted, but thinking about doing a build with this for some content and fun. Anyone else interested, or just waiting for next year?

[MrP6k]

Waiting for third party benchmarks

[Guest]

Alder Lake looks promising from the leaks, But still I would like to have proper benchmarks before even remotely thinking of buying it.

[xg32]

leaks tend to exaggerate gains, and even then the numbers  are  just "ok", interested in seeing how it performs with high speed ddr5 ~7200ish, but likely not building anything til late 2022 or 2023, if it's for content then that's what im looking for.

[Mark Kaine]

I unno i guess waiting game,doesn't look too hot currently 

 

 

Tldr: seems mostly a ddr5/latency issue,  or in other words as they put it, intel lol.  

 

 

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Intel's 12th generation Core es alder lake is just like that, with a ddr5 6400 delayed explosion, win10 uses bugs to fly all over the sky, lol plays with the frame number of inexplicable frame drop, 200 directly drops to 50 60, and then the number of frames in a few seconds Bounce back, belong to the unplayable series

 

[xg32]

@Mark Kainejesus, intel's amd now... also i remember seeing all core drawing north of 300w, duration limits doesn't matter to me, and what are those timings LOL

[YoungBlade]

My plan is to take the 5900X I recently bought and ride out the storm of CPU improvements that the next few generations will bring. I'm expecting Intel and AMD to trade blows and push advances in features like back in the Athlon days. Perhaps some ARM or RISC competition will enter the fray. I figure in 4 or 6 years, the dust will have mostly settled, and then I can upgrade to whatever CPU line has emerged as the new Sandy Bridge. A 12 core Zen 3 chip might look like a potato compared to Intel 15th gen or Zen 7, but it should be good enough for the forseeable future considering it has about double the total CPU power of the consoles.

[Guest]

56 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

I unno i guess waiting game,doesn't look too hot currently 

 

 

 

Tldr: seems mostly a ddr5/latency issue,  or in other words as they put it, intel lol.  

 

 

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Intel's 12th generation Core es alder lake is just like that, with a ddr5 6400 delayed explosion, win10 uses bugs to fly all over the sky, lol plays with the frame number of inexplicable frame drop, 200 directly drops to 50 60, and then the number of frames in a few seconds Bounce back, belong to the unplayable series

 

This would be the first time since roughly socket AM2 (6400+ in particular) **DDR2** that Intels latency from the box would be higher than AMDs. 

 

I expect worse latency than this from AMD. 

 

Myself, waiting to see all the results before making any upgrade decisions.

[Tan3l6]

DDR4  Alder lake = not worth it from 10th gen Intel i5

DDR5 Alder Lake = most likely too pricey at 2021

 

But yeah, waiting for it just to see what happens.

[CommanderAlex]

Too happy with the performance of Zen 3 and my 5950X. 

[freeagent]

I’m going to wait until the world unfucks itself.

[Mark Kaine]

2 hours ago, ShrimpBrime said:

This would be the first time since roughly socket AM2 (6400+ in particular) **DDR2** that Intels latency from the box would be higher than AMDs. 

 

I expect worse latency than this from AMD. 

 

Myself, waiting to see all the results before making any upgrade decisions.

Right , I mean take it with a grain of salt obviously,  but that's what I found out doing some digging... high latency, poor gaming performance...

 

Sure that could be bugs being squashed before release,  but with intels track record how likely is that? The whole big little concept seems risky, great if it works (maybe?) but what if not? : o

[Guest]

6 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

Right , I mean take it with a grain of salt obviously,  but that's what I found out doing some digging... high latency, poor gaming performance...

 

Sure that could be bugs being squashed before release,  but with intels track record how likely is that? The whole big little concept seems risky, great if it works (maybe?) but what if not? : o

That doesn't seem like a far out latency when AMD 1st and second gen from the box was just about as bad. But remember AMD was very late to the ddr4 game there. 

 

This time with similar release time ddr5 platform and performance will be a gamble for both sides while being fresh at the table yet.

 

But to get that increased IPC and bandwidth, high latency may become the normal. 

[Mark Kaine]

3 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

But to get that increased IPC and bandwidth, high latency may become the normal

Yeah, they have decoupled memory speeds from memory controller speeds, there are 3 modes, 1:1, 1:2, and whatever is in the picture, to support higher frequencies...which always adds latency each, apparently... 

Seems weird to me.

(^as far i understand)

 

 

But yeah, maybe RAM manufacturers will be able to fix this?

 

 

[Guest]

20 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

Yeah, they have decoupled memory speeds from memory controller speeds, there are 3 modes, 1:1, 1:2, and whatever is in the picture, to support higher frequencies...which always adds latency each, apparently... 

Seems weird to me.

(^as far i understand)

 

 

But yeah, maybe RAM manufacturers will be able to fix this?

 

 

It's not just the memory manufacturers it's the motherboard and processors as well. Bios updates may be frequent for a while.

 

Really I want to wait like 12 months when ddr5 releases. Let everyone else guinea pig and I'll make some decisions when real life figures hit the streets. That and what the OC community will recommend for top binned memory chips too. Kinda like B-Die but for ddr5! XD

[WhitetailAni]

I'm going to stick with my AM4 platform for awhile. So far it does everything I need it to and if I run into CPU limitations I can easily upgrade the motherboard+CPU, and if I really need more GPU power there's always the Titan Z.

[xg32]

24 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

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it happens every ram cycle, i wanna say ddr5 could be the worst on launch but that has to be recency bias. i wonder when ddr5 will become available. At least now we know why amd pushed next gen back for a year and is going with a refresh, at this point a zen 3 refresh does look more promising.

 

11th gen already had some funky behavior and 12th gen does further improve ipc, i expect big bugs but they will be squashed. a year...or 2 

[Mark Kaine]

25 minutes ago, xg32 said:

happens every ram cycle, i wanna say ddr5 could be the worst on launch

Yeah, i heard ppl say that, but i didn't believe it because it didn't make sense to me  - but after this and hearing about the decoupling thing i believe it...

 

27 minutes ago, xg32 said:

wonder when ddr5 will become available.

 

37 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

I want to wait like 12 months when ddr5 releases

It already has been released  - i have no idea why tho...theres like no mobos / cpus supporting it (i thought)

https://us.amazon.com/TEAMGROUP-4800MHz-PC5-38400-Unbuffered-Computer/dp/B096KN5N9K

 

Already sold out

 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

Yeah, i heard ppl say that, but i didn't believe it because it didn't make sense to me  - but after this and hearing about the decoupling thing i believe it...

 

 

It already has been released  - i have no idea why tho...theres like no mobos / cpus supporting it (i thought)

https://us.amazon.com/TEAMGROUP-4800MHz-PC5-38400-Unbuffered-Computer/dp/B096KN5N9K

 

Already sold out

 

Not the memory, the platform. AM5? You know the rest of the hardware that isn't out yet lol. Like full system builds and stuff?!

 

Insert gifs here!

[Mark Kaine]

1 hour ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Not the memory, the platform

Well, some people apparently said f it and bought it anyways lol. 

[Mister Woof]

Officially, I will stick with my 10900kf until I get a GPU that bottlenecks it (5000 series, likely I'll skip 4000)

 

In reality, it will depend on my willpower to not get the latest and greatest

[Thinkfreely]

On 9/15/2021 at 9:50 PM, xg32 said:

leaks tend to exaggerate gains, and even then the numbers  are  just "ok", interested in seeing how it performs with high speed ddr5 ~7200ish, but likely not building anything til late 2022 or 2023, if it's for content then that's what im looking for.

Im the Fomo guy, if it's at least 20% faster (average) then ill build a new machine in December.

[Gohardgrandpa]

On 9/16/2021 at 11:53 PM, Mister Woof said:

Officially, I will stick with my 10900kf until I get a GPU that bottlenecks it (5000 series, likely I'll skip 4000)

 

In reality, it will depend on my willpower to not get the latest and greatest

I'm with you 100% on this. I'm gonna try to use my current setup for a long time. I play older stuff and esports games that run well on a potato. I have no need to upgrade, but I know how I am and if something new comes out and I can actually buy it I probably will.