pornography OnlyFans is banning porn starting October 1, the thing that made it successful (update)

[Taf the Ghost]

36 minutes ago, avg123 said:

you can buy guns, alcohol, cigarettes with a mastercard, things that actually kill people but god forbid you buy porn

Pretty sure they've attempted to prevent ammo purchases before, but they're big on the other ones.

 

Clearly, the AFT needs to add a P to their full title (BATFE).

[Taf the Ghost]

15 minutes ago, Bitter said:

Yeah, that's why I circled back around to your point. I mean fake and forged ID's are a thing but I think those are very fringe cases. Kind of like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

The BBC "investigation" was a hit piece. Just no clue who set it up.

[whm1974]

4 minutes ago, Bitter said:

Yeah, that's why I circled back around to your point. I mean fake and forged ID's are a thing but I think those are very fringe cases. Kind of like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

I wonder if requiring High School Diplomas/GED will help prevent Jailbait trying get into Porn Stardom?

[Bitter]

7 minutes ago, whm1974 said:

I wonder if requiring High School Diplomas/GED will help prevent Jailbait trying get into Porn Stardom?

Not everyone over 18 has one of those, I almost didn't and it's not because I'm stupid it's because I had a self righteous teacher who wouldn't let me pass. Bad people are everywhere.

[EldritchMoose]

What I'm not getting (although I have a theory) is how this would be an issue for Onlyfans, but not for Myfreecams. I mean, it's not like Radvinsky doesn't own both of them and you'd think that a change in the rules that would include a required review of livestreams would hit a cam site much harder than what is essentially a subscription blog platform.

 

Ultimately, I wonder how much of a difference it'll make, because for all the funny headlines about "Porn site bans porn, lol" I find the stated ban of "Sexually explicit acts" to be vague enough to serve as a nice little smoke screen that is easy to selectively enforce while keeping business running as usual in the background.

[Kisai]

7 minutes ago, EldritchMoose said:

 

Ultimately, I wonder how much of a difference it'll make, because for all the funny headlines about "Porn site bans porn, lol" I find the stated ban of "Sexually explicit acts" to be vague enough to serve as a nice little smoke screen that is easy to selectively enforce while keeping business running as usual in the background.

Legitimate "adult entertainment" sites tend to all have the same classifications of what they will not accept, and many of these have to do with legality or safety. 

 

The big two "pedophilic/lolicon/shotacon" and "bestiality/furry" are the primarily reason why credit card companies will pull the merchant account of sites that have this content. It's illegal, everywhere. If a child or a cat/dog walk into the frame of a video, or you handle a baby or cat on a video while performing something sexual, you're shut down forever. You'd think some sense of reason would apply, but it doesn't. Breast feeding a baby, is not a sexual act, but good luck being able to show photos or videos of that on any video site. This is what's basically the non-con rule, where those under 18, and animals can not consent to being subjected to "sexual" acts.

 

Then you have various things that apply to "real people" even though you're likely to only ever see it in CG/Drawing/written fiction.

- Snuff (images of actual dead bodies)

- Vore (eating of people alive)

- Consuming, or being covered in body fluids

- Large insertions or inflation, or inserting toys or body parts into holes that are high risk of medical complications. (Yes you can lose toys in certain holes and require surgical removal)

 

And then you have an entire category of violent images that basically bans things like BDSM, blindfolds, cosplay and Spanking. It's because these violate the non-con rule. Not everything clearly, but because someone who isn't familiar with the content producer doesn't know how it was produced, the content is likely to be banned. This is typically why adult videos tend to have disclaimers about "everyone is over 18 and have consented to appear in this video", and fictional (eg animation, drawings) tend to handwave this away as well.

 

People will always seek out extreme stuff, and while I doubt onlyfans had much of that stuff to begin with, you would typically see onlyfans links on every adult streaming site, regardless of legitimacy. So you have to understand that onlyfans is not a curated experience, and neither is a site like pornhub. They are user-generated-content sites, and user-generated-content sites are a legal minefield.

 

[MultiGamerClub]

22 hours ago, captain_to_fire said:

He made a video on how to hide porn tho  

why would anyone want to hide it?

 

With 1TB family plan im not hiding anything XD

[LAwLz]

This is exactly why we need a decentralized payment system. Crypto currencies might not be the answer since they have some major drawbacks like high transaction fees, can have long transaction times, and uses a ton of electricity to power it. But our current system is really terrible as well since we basically have a duopoly that controls our entire global payment system. 

I've seen this happen plenty of times. If Visa and Mastercard don't like something, they can just ban any platform that allows that content. 

 

I am not sure if it's Visa and Mastercard that is behind this again (like they were with PornHub), but even if it isn't those two this still shows why we shouldn't entrust complete control over payments on a global scale to a handful of companies that have shown time and time again that they are willing to use this power to shut down things they don't like.

 

 

If you ask me, payment processors should be seen as a utility in the same way roads and power is.

Electrical companies don't monitor WHAT you use the power in your home for, nor do they have the power to shut down individual appliances in your home if they don't like what the power is used for. You just pay them a fee and then you can do whatever you want with the power they provide. It SHOULD be the same for payment processors.

 

 

Also, I don't buy the whole "it's because there is illegal content on the site" argument I've seen thrown around. It doesn't make sense that they would ban videos but not pictures if that was the case. Unless the banks are okay with illegal pictures. 

[Bitter]

They're going to need to really pin down those rules, pumpkins are alive and can't consent so my partner might be in trouble with her Halloween tradition LOL!

[Kisai]

8 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

 

If you ask me, payment processors should be seen as a utility in the same way roads and power is.

Electrical companies don't monitor WHAT you use the power in your home for, nor do they have the power to shut down individual appliances in your home if they don't like what the power is used for. You just pay them a fee and then you can do whatever you want with the power they provide. It SHOULD be the same for payment processors.

True, but in the US, the payment processors and the banks are one and the same.

 

Outside of the US (eg Europe) there are other payment networks, usually country-specific, and they have their own processing rules. That's pretty much how US policy gets exported to foreign countries, because a law in the US forbids the payment network (Visa/MasterCard/Amex/etc) from processing those transactions, which blocks those living in the US from being able to have any transactions with those businesses, even overseas.

 

I doubt there is much that can happen to defeat MC/Visa's duopoly without things like ApplePay being able to side-step them. The best option we have is smartphones being able replace card payments by having an on-device wallet not backed by a payment network or bank, but we're nowhere near that becoming reality, because of the exact same problem, Android and Apple don't have compatible payment systems. Remember Apple Cash? Still backed by a bank.

 

 

[CerealExperimentsLain]

2 hours ago, Bitter said:

Not everyone over 18 has one of those, I almost didn't and it's not because I'm stupid it's because I had a self righteous teacher who wouldn't let me pass. Bad people are everywhere.

The bigger problem is that there are plenty of people under the age of 18 with them.  Lots of people graduate at age 17 without even being skipped up a grade.

High school diploma as 'proof of being over 18' is the dumbest idea when compared to using government issued ID.

[Taf the Ghost]

@LAwLz

 

It's always MC. Some chunk of their management runs the entire payment processing industry. I've never looked into the details of who they are and who they're connected to, but I also don't really want to know where that rabbit hole goes. (3 letter agencies, organized crime and worse things, assuredly.)

[Brooksie359]

4 hours ago, Taf the Ghost said:

@tkitch @Brooksie359@captain_to_fire

 

This is a fairly general response, but it's really important to understand the anti-porn stance isn't about MasterCard being prudes. And it's always MC that is playing dirty on the backend of things. If you fall afoul of the "approving authorities", your ability to move money is always attacked from within MC. It's been super consistent for the last decade, we just normally only saw it come up with adult content.

 

Now, there is a business case for it. Adult Content might create the majority of Chargeback requests for credit cards, which means they're really, really expensive points of sale for MC/VISA/Banks. From a business perspective, if most of your costs are one small segment, it makes sense to not be involved. Issue is, like most things in the real world, a lot more complicated by what they aren't telling you because MC goes about making it so other processors won't do business with the companies. I'll avoid how this shows up in politics (especially since some Startups are running de facto Social Credit systems and that information is being used already), but the reason they draw this bright line is much the same reason Apple & Google do on their App Stores. It is purely hypocritical, but there are interests and factions that want to keep certain segments separated because it serves their interests. 

 

Or, put another way, the biggest consumers of Hookers & Blow don't want it to show up on their CCs. There are legitimate reasons for the actions, the problem is those aren't the reasons they're actually taken.

Then why are payment processors still working with places like eBay or other sites that do sales that frequently result in charge backs? There are plenty of businesses that have higher frequencies of charge backs yet they still accepted by normal payment processors. 

[Taf the Ghost]

What most are probably running into, for the first time, is that "Banking" is a Club. You only get to be let in if you're "approved". What doesn't make sense to most is what is approved or unapproved due to the fact the stated rules aren't actually applied the way they're claimed to be. While the nature of it all is beyond the scope of Tech News, the basic aspect is that control of Money Flows is simply one of the most powerful tools of control possible.  As a result, for a various assortment of reasons, certain things that might be legal are simply deemed better to be kept out, as that serves the interests of many running the Club.  Nothing more, nothing less.

[Taf the Ghost]

4 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

Then why are payment processors still working with places like eBay or other sites that do sales that frequently result in charge backs? There are plenty of businesses that have higher frequencies of charge backs yet they still accepted by normal payment processors. 

"It is purely hypocritical, but there are interests and factions that want to keep certain segments separated because it serves their interests. "

 

There's a reason I put that line in there. They simply want them "out of the club". You'll have to do a lot of off-site reading to get an understanding of why that's useful to the big players. Note: Banking is, by far, the most powerful faction in nearly all countries. It means you're playing with the big boys when you're dealing with them.

[whm1974]

1 hour ago, CerealExperimentsLain said:

The bigger problem is that there are plenty of people under the age of 18 with them.  Lots of people graduate at age 17 without even being skipped up a grade.

High school diploma as 'proof of being over 18' is the dumbest idea when compared to using government issued ID.

High School Diploma and GED could be used to check for those with a Fake ID. I do know a few people who Graduated HS well under 18. By the way the ones I knew that had a Fake ID, used them to get Booze. In the US, you need to at least 21 to drink.

[leadeater]

1 hour ago, whm1974 said:

High School Diploma and GED could be used to check for those with a Fake ID. I do know a few people who Graduated HS well under 18. By the way the ones I knew that had a Fake ID, used them to get Booze. In the US, you need to at least 21 to drink.

Legal age here when you can choose to leave school is 16, and you're not leaving with zero qualifications if you do so as well so at least here this is a horrible verification method because it's not going to verify age at all, not even close.

[whm1974]

3 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Legal age here when you can choose to leave school is 16, and you're not leaving with zero qualifications if you do so as well so at least here this is a horrible verification method because it's not going to verify age at all, not even close.

Isn't the year a person gotten said Diploma/GED on the Document? Nevermind I thought this would be something extra to use in addiction to IDs.

[leadeater]

48 minutes ago, whm1974 said:

Isn't the year a person gotten said Diploma/GED on the Document? Nevermind I thought this would be something extra to use in addiction to IDs.

The year they got it doesn't help if you don't know the age when they got it. Tell me how old a person is if they have achieved NCEA Level 1? If you don't know the age this is achieved then the date on it isn't useful for age verification.

[Jtalk4456]

While I agree there will be a significant chunk of revenue lost, I don't think that Porn (being defined as 2+ people having sex on video) is the single thing that made OF famous. If I'm not misreading this and you can still have nude videos of yourself, I actually didn't know they had legit porn on there until belle delphine released that first video and made the internet blow up. I guess if asked I would have assumed it was there but it's not what I imagine when I think OF. I picture just a girl in front of a camera doing things for an audience, which seems to still be allowed. People will still come to chat with e-girls and feel like they have a chance with someone they feel is out of reach otherwise. And honestly, I don't wanna see another dude's junk if I'm doing that kind of thing anyways. I have not and will not ever be on that platform, but if I did use that for ...purposes, I would do that for the purpose of feeling like I'm close with someone hotter than normal and wilder than normal. It'll hurt them, but they'll survive IMHO. This does put a serious damper in Belle Delphine's recent plans though. She literally just started porn this year and now they're telling her to put that stuff elsewhere. 

[Jtalk4456]

58 minutes ago, whm1974 said:

Isn't the year a person gotten said Diploma/GED on the Document? Nevermind I thought this would be something extra to use in addiction to IDs.

The problem is we don't need anything "in addition" to ID's because that's the whole purpose of an ID. it's something that identifies you and identifies key information about you. A good government ID doesn't need anything else for this

[captain_to_fire]

10 minutes ago, Jtalk4456 said:

If I'm not misreading this and you can still have nude videos of yourself

One can still still upload nude photos as long as it doesn't violate OF's terms of services

 

https://onlyfans.com/terms

 

[Jtalk4456]

4 minutes ago, captain_to_fire said:

One can still still upload nude photos as long as it doesn't violate OF's terms of services

what about videos though? that's where I see the biggest portion of people talking about OF. Egirls playing with themselves with toys and stuff, stick the vid behind a paywall, pay for specific requested videos, etc. 
Also I wonder how this works with certain actions? Is a girl kissing a certain under the face above the belly area considered sex? does it have to be penetration? what about lesbians so no penetration? what about lesbians with dildos so kinda penetration? What are the definitions they are using for "having sex"

[captain_to_fire]

1 minute ago, Jtalk4456 said:

what about videos though? that's where I see the biggest portion of people talking about OF. Egirls playing with themselves with toys and stuff, stick the vid behind a paywall, pay for specific requested videos, etc. 
Also I wonder how this works with certain actions? Is a girl kissing a certain under the face above the belly area considered sex? does it have to be penetration? what about lesbians so no penetration? what about lesbians with dildos so kinda penetration? What are the definitions they are using for "having sex"

Not sure about videos depicting the use of sex toys or masturbating/self-completing is allowed, they'd probably ban it too considering how broad the "sexual misconduct" ban is.

[Quackers101]

13 minutes ago, captain_to_fire said:

Not sure about videos depicting the use of sex toys or masturbating/self-completing is allowed, they'd probably ban it too considering how broad the "sexual misconduct" ban is.

would likely go under that, as nudity and sexual content will probably be viewed differently.

Until they might ban or restrict that too. as the nudity rule could be exploited to become sexual or being used in sexual ways.

aka feet pics or using kinks, jk.