Is it cheating when you use controllers in pvp games that have controller support?

[Joshua_P_Gervacio]

Is it cheating when you use contollers in a pvp game that have controller support enabled.

[Drama Lama]

no

[SorryBella]

My boyfriend says that "If the developers added it to the game, then why wont you abuse it?"

 

He got the right sentiment.

[pythonmegapixel]

Why would it be?

[WhitetailAni]

If it was added to the game, use it to your every advantage.

 

That's my philosophy at least.

[Chiyawa]

Yes and No.

 

Yes is because you have slight advantage compare to those that use touch screen.

 

No is because it is a method of playing the game.

 

So... Yeah, we are in the grey area, actually.

[unisuj]

On 4/14/2021 at 2:59 AM, Joshua_P_Gervacio said:

Is it cheating when you use contollers in a pvp game that have controller support enabled.

I dont think its cheating

[KokodayoCN]

If it is cheating, then why the programmers needed to develop this function…

[thekingofmonks]

If the game was intended to be played with a controller then no, it isn't an exploit.

And using a controller that makes you aim slower just puts you in a disadvantage

[Kawaii Koneko]

On 4/14/2021 at 9:19 PM, Chiyawa said:

Yes and No.

 

Yes is because you have slight advantage compare to those that use touch screen.

 

No is because it is a method of playing the game.

 

So... Yeah, we are in the grey area, actually.

It's not a grey area in any way shape or form. If the developers themselves added support as a means of input then it's totally legit. Having an advantage due to your choice input method is fine.

 

Saying it's a grey area is like saying using mouse and keyboard on a XBox One/Series game that has support natively in the game because the developer added it is a grey area as well.

[Chiyawa]

16 hours ago, Kawaii Koneko said:

It's not a grey area in any way shape or form. If the developers themselves added support as a means of input then it's totally legit. Having an advantage due to your choice input method is fine.

 

Saying it's a grey area is like saying using mouse and keyboard on a XBox One/Series game that has support natively in the game because the developer added it is a grey area as well.

Indeed. Even though the game did supports it, chances are not many gamers who play the games can afford a game controller (maybe that's too far stretch, but for me, an XBox One X controller cost about 1/10 of my monthly salary, so it's tad expensive for me). That's where this grey area comes in. Some underprivileged gamers will not have the edge of the said game in question if they don't have a controller because part of the view will be obstructed by their hands since the control mechanism is on the screen, whereas you have the full view of the game if you use a controller which can improve your gaming experience slightly, as you don't obstruct your screen with your hands.

 

But over here, I guess it all boils down to your consciousness. I may be too over analysed the situation, but I do believe that it's not wrong to use a controller if the game supports it, but somehow, those underprivileged gamers will felt unfair (no, not that they felt being cheated, just unfair). It's like playing hide and seek, and you being more fortunate seeker has the ability to get heat vision goggles that could let you spot the hiders easily. You are technically not cheating because you, like everyone else, needs to find your targets, but with heat vision, you can spot your targets much easier.

[Zando_]

It's not a grey area in the fuckin slightest. If the game officially supports the input medium, it's not cheating. 

[XGoodGuyFitz]

On 4/14/2021 at 9:19 PM, Chiyawa said:

Yes and No.

 

Yes is because you have slight advantage compare to those that use touch screen.

 

No is because it is a method of playing the game.

 

So... Yeah, we are in the grey area, actually.

Slight advantage isnt cheating. Just like in cod, using better guns gives slight advantages but is it cheating? No. Just like the others said, if its in the game, its not cheating. 

[BejoBarokah]

I don't think it's cheating. It's officially supported right? Then maybe there's an advantage but it's your choice.

Just as if someone use office mouse vs gaming mouse, do you think the one using gaming mouse with adjustable DPI cheating?

[Arika]

On 5/5/2021 at 12:27 PM, Chiyawa said:

Indeed. Even though the game did supports it, chances are not many gamers who play the games can afford a game controller (maybe that's too far stretch, but for me, an XBox One X controller cost about 1/10 of my monthly salary, so it's tad expensive for me). That's where this grey area comes in. Some underprivileged gamers will not have the edge of the said game in question if they don't have a controller because part of the view will be obstructed by their hands since the control mechanism is on the screen, whereas you have the full view of the game if you use a controller which can improve your gaming experience slightly, as you don't obstruct your screen with your hands.

 

But over here, I guess it all boils down to your consciousness. I may be too over analysed the situation, but I do believe that it's not wrong to use a controller if the game supports it, but somehow, those underprivileged gamers will felt unfair (no, not that they felt being cheated, just unfair). It's like playing hide and seek, and you being more fortunate seeker has the ability to get heat vision goggles that could let you spot the hiders easily. You are technically not cheating because you, like everyone else, needs to find your targets, but with heat vision, you can spot your targets much easier.

using that logic, then anyone with a more expensive "gaming" mouse, mechnical keyboard and a high refresh rate monitor, better CPU and GPU should also be considering a cheating grey area.

[Chiyawa]

57 minutes ago, Arika S said:

using that logic, then anyone with a more expensive "gaming" mouse, mechnical keyboard and a high refresh rate monitor, better CPU and GPU should also be considering a cheating grey area.

Yes indeed. That's why in real tournament, every participants will use the same PC with same configuration and same peripherals.

 

For a normal person, it's more of a blue/orange morality and depends on your conscious, but in tournament, it's definitely consider a cheat. For me, any form of advantages are considered cheating, but well, I don't complain, because I believe everyone has their rights to use whatever they want to enjoy the game. After all, ain't games are just for fun?

[Shammikit]

If controller support is provided by the devs then its not cheating. 

 

What I believe is cheating are the people who play mobile shooters on PC for example using keyboard and mouse running it on Bluestacks. For mobile gamers I think its really unfair as they are most likely to be on a touch screen while some guy is running around with keyboard and mouse. These types of players are very common where I live. Some time back there was this PUBG mobile tournament hosted by a local university and there were pictures of this one guy participating with an Asus gaming laptop lol. It went viral here and people were making fun of it on Facebook.  

 

idk if mobile game devs have done anything to counter this. 

 

 

[mon1ka]

On 5/7/2021 at 6:58 PM, Shammikit said:

idk if mobile game devs have done anything to counter this. 

you really couldnt do anything to counter it. For example, what if someone on mobile had really precise smooth aim from years of practice and everyone accused them of cheating. how would they prove their innocence? handcam?

 

emulators tell games they're phones. do you ban the phone models being emulated from playing? theres really no perfect solution IMO.

[Moonzy]

it's not cheating but it may need balancing

 

for example: osu is a game where u need to aim and click a circle

touchscreen: have been very OP, so the developer nerfed it in ranking system

Tablet: slightly better than mouse in term of consistency (no cursor drift), but so far it's not nerfed (because... idk)

mouse: lul u broke

[Daxatron451]

Well first, what kind? There is the grip controllers that don't connect and actual controllers. If we are talking about the grips then I don't think so. The devs who make the touch controls movable have considered that in the way people play. For actual controllers, it would be the fault of the devs to not make separate lobbys. Also, BT controllers that have button overlays? I am not sure.

[darknessblade]

Why would it be cheating?

if it is a feature of the game it is not cheating.

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or are you gonna say, using a original gamecube controller for smashbros ultimate is cheating as well?

 

most smash players use gamecube controllers due muscle memory and the feel of the controller.

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The only controllers that would be considered cheating are the ones that have special features like Aimlock. autofire/turbo, 

overall modified controllers, that would not be tournament legal.

[ACE-GTB]

If you're asking if it should be considered cheating overall, I would say it's debatable. But if you're asking if Activision considers it cheating then I would say yes. I know from experience. They banned my account. Thank god I tested it out on a brand new one, but still. They banned me and it happened unbelievably fast. I didn't even get banned in my first match. They banned me before I could even finish the tutorial they force new players to do when first starting out. I know you can just quit out of that but I wanted to try it out on some bots and after 3 kills I got disconnected and it said my account was banned. Lol...

[Mojo-Jojo]

Just because it supports it, doesn't mean it isn't cheating. Real life supports peeking while playing hide-and-seek. Yet I'd call it cheating.

 

What makes it cheating is it being against the rules or morally objectionable. Yes, I know: for a game it wouldn't make sense to put in support for something against the rules, but my example is meant in the broader sense of things.

 

If the rules say nothing about what you're doing, I'd say it isn't cheating.

[jwds1978]

Does having a higher spec device, or faster and/or more reliable Internet connection, than somebody else make someone a cheater? 

[whm1974]

On 3/3/2022 at 4:10 AM, ACE-GTB said:

If you're asking if it should be considered cheating overall, I would say it's debatable. But if you're asking if Activision considers it cheating then I would say yes. I know from experience. They banned my account. Thank god I tested it out on a brand new one, but still. They banned me and it happened unbelievably fast. I didn't even get banned in my first match. They banned me before I could even finish the tutorial they force new players to do when first starting out. I know you can just quit out of that but I wanted to try it out on some bots and after 3 kills I got disconnected and it said my account was banned. Lol...

For using a Controller? That does not make any sense at all.