Linus should stop complaining about the ISO keyboard layout

[FakeATF]

4 minutes ago, kelvinhall05 said:

Wow I peeked back in this thread and OP really won't back down, eh?

 

Maybe I should say my opinion louder to add some more fuel to the fire.

 

ISO bad, small shift sucks ass

Yeah, shift key is one that everybody uses often enough to warrant it having a larger size.* What really confuses me is that they decided to keep the right shift the regular size. WHY??!! NOBODY USES RIGHT SHIFT! Keep the left one the same size and make the right one smaller!

 

ISO's whole shtick is that it has more room for more special keys, but in english, there is enough room for all of the letters and useful symbols.

 

*unless you type like this. this gets old to read fairly quickly, it makes my inner grammarian have a stroke.

[WhitetailAni]

Just now, oali24 said:

ANSI sucks, tilde key for letters should never happen and why is the shift pointlessly large?

8 minutes ago, kelvinhall05 said:

Wow I peeked back in this thread and OP really won't back down, eh?

 

Maybe I should say my opinion louder to add some more fuel to the fire.

 

ISO bad, small shift sucks ass

Both of you are wrong, the Dvorak layout is superior to all others.

[kelvinhall05]

1 minute ago, oali24 said:

tilde key for letters should never happen

No fucking clue what this is supposed to mean

1 minute ago, oali24 said:

why is the shift pointlessly large?

Because it's one of the most used keys on the keyboard. Next you're gonna complain about a spacebar being 6.25u or longer...

[kelvinhall05]

Just now, EjectedCasings said:

Yeah, shift key is one that everybody uses often enough to warrant it having a larger size.* What really confuses me is that they decided to keep the right shift the regular size. WHY??!! NOBODY USES RIGHT SHIFT! Keep the left one the same size and make the right one smaller!

 

ISO's whole shtick is that it has more room for more special keys, but in english, there is enough room for all of the letters and useful symbols.

 

*unless you type like this. this gets old to read fairly quickly, it makes my inner grammarian have a stroke.

The easiest way to fix ISO would be to split the right shift instead of left one and have the pipe key to the right of right shift, like on Focus layout boards.

[minibois]

1 hour ago, akio123008 said:

I live in Holland where the "official" standard is ISO, but not a single person I'm aware of likes it. I use an ANSI keyboard all the time, and so does everyone I know with a bit of common sense. The ISO keyboard layout has a whole variety of things about it that suck, the most prominent one being the afwul, tiny shift key.

Not sure about your experience, but the official NL layout is never ever used here in the Netherlands. Basically everyone uses a UK or US layout (basically the English ISO or ANSI layouts respectively).

There are some NL layout keyboard like this: https://www.dell.com/nl-nl/shop/dell-multimediatoetsenbord-kb216-nederlands-qwerty-zwart/apd/580-adgt/pc-accessoires

But in the reviews you can see people are not happy about its layout (as we don't actually use that layout here).

 

Better image of the layout:

 

Other than the 26 letters of the alphabet and the general modifiers (Ctrl, alt, enter, shift) everything is just screwed up.

brackets in the bottom left?! @-sign where tilde usually is? Everything under shift+number screwed up too!?!?

[Touch My Hamm]

I think its more a preference thing. Its like how some people like certain keycaps over others. There is someone at my work who has a dvorak keyboard and its a joke about how "elitist" he/she is about it. Also remember he has small hands and fingers maybe he just cant reach the smaller enter button with proper form. /endterriblejoke

[FakeATF]

Also, brief moment of sanity here, I like how much the thread has derailed so far.

Went from:

1. Linus + Keyboard = insensitive

2. Linus and other reviewers in general have their own opinions that should be sifted through to make your own decision.

3. ANSI vs. ISO

4. More ANSI Vs. ISO

5. ANSI > ISO (entirely factual and not opinion based, don't bother to look that up)

6. ANSI > anything that isn't ANSI (see above)

[flibberdipper]

1 minute ago, EjectedCasings said:

Also, brief moment of sanity here, I like how much the thread has derailed so far.

Went from:

1. Linus + Keyboard = insensitive

2. Linus and other reviewers in general have their own opinions that should be sifted through to make your own decision.

3. ANSI vs. ISO

4. More ANSI Vs. ISO

5. ANSI > ISO (entirely factual and not opinion based, don't bother to look that up)

6. ANSI > anything that isn't ANSI (see above)

Mentioning keyboards online is like that. It is written in the internet bible: If ye doth bringeth up keyboards, thou topic shall be derailt.

 

Spoiler

Also while we're at it:

small shift key poopoo doodie, hehe big letters

 

[oali24]

8 minutes ago, kelvinhall05 said:

No fucking clue what this is supposed to mean

Because it's one of the most used keys on the keyboard. Next you're gonna complain about a spacebar being 6.25u or longer...

The ذ is on the tilde key in ansi

[Moonzy]

11 minutes ago, EjectedCasings said:

NOBODY USES RIGHT SHIFT!

I've said this before and I'll say it again:

How else would you press ctrl+shift+n with one hand? 

[kelvinhall05]

Just now, oali24 said:

The ذ is on the tilde key in ansi

So one key for one alphabet in one language means that ANSI sucks and Linus should change his own opinion in videos to cater to...what, a dozen people?

[FakeATF]

3 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

I've said this before and I'll say it again:

wow you're right, I never noticed that before!

Honestly it's faster for me to use Left Shift and Left Control.

 

(also ftfy)

 

Spoiler

right clicking is better 

 

[oali24]

13 minutes ago, EjectedCasings said:

Yeah, shift key is one that everybody uses often enough to warrant it having a larger size.* What really confuses me is that they decided to keep the right shift the regular size. WHY??!! NOBODY USES RIGHT SHIFT! Keep the left one the same size and make the right one smaller!

 

ISO's whole shtick is that it has more room for more special keys, but in english, there is enough room for all of the letters and useful symbols.

 

*unless you type like this. this gets old to read fairly quickly, it makes my inner grammarian have a stroke.

In arabic keyboard you only really need shift key to type unstressed vowels which means you almost never need it because  unstressed vowels aren't usually written

[flibberdipper]

4 minutes ago, kelvinhall05 said:

So one key for one alphabet in one language means that ANSI sucks and Linus should change his own opinion in videos to cater to...what, a dozen people?

(Kind of) tying into this: am I the only one that really just doesn't see the damn problem with it? My hands are squarely normal sized, maybe even a bit more Linus-y, and I have absolutely zero problem reaching the tilde key. Hell, I use it all the damn time.

Edited March 22, 2021 by flibberdipper
heck adhd brain forgot the kind of at the start

[kelvinhall05]

Just now, flibberdipper said:

Tying into this: am I the only one that really just doesn't see the damn problem with it? My hands are squarely normal sized, maybe even a bit more Linus-y, and I have absolutely zero problem reaching the tilde key. Hell, I use it all the damn time.

Agreed, not any harder than backspace is to reach. I hit tilde with my left ring finger and have no issues.

[oali24]

3 minutes ago, kelvinhall05 said:

So one key for one alphabet in one language means that ANSI sucks and Linus should change his own opinion in videos to cater to...what, a dozen people?

It's also used in farsi, urdu, Sindhi and many others

[kelvinhall05]

Just now, oali24 said:

It's also used in farsi, urdu, Sindhi and many others

My point still stands.

[FakeATF]

This thread is moving along faster than I can mash my F5 key.

[oali24]

Just now, kelvinhall05 said:

My point still stands.

My point was never that Linus should just start liking ISO layout because of this one lettet, but that people use the ISO layout for these sort of situations and not everyone sees layout as just ANSI good ISO bad

[flibberdipper]

3 minutes ago, EjectedCasings said:

This thread is moving along faster than I can mash my F5 key.

IT'S GETTIN' HOT IN HERE

SO TAKE OFF ALL YOUR CLOTHES KEYS

[kelvinhall05]

Just now, oali24 said:

My point was never that Linus should just start liking ISO layout because of this one lettet, but that people use the ISO layout for these sort of situations and not everyone sees layout as just ANSI good ISO bad

As I said in my original comment, it's all in jest, and even if he meant it seriously, it's an opinion, not a fact.

[oali24]

Just now, kelvinhall05 said:

As I said in my original comment, it's all in jest, and even if he meant it seriously, it's an opinion, not a fact.

Yeah you're probably right

[akio123008]

7 minutes ago, oali24 said:

In arabic keyboard you only really need shift key to type unstressed vowels

Well I use shift all the time, because I also use it to type special characters etc, and don't forget about holding it down to run while gaming. You still need it for that regardless of your language. 

 

ISO just really sucks to most people that aren't typing in arabic or are using loads of special characters.

 

 

[FakeATF]

7 minutes ago, flibberdipper said:

IT'S GETTIN' HOT IN HERE

SO TAKE OFF ALL YOUR CLOTHES KEYS

Introducing Comic Sans, the revolutionary new way to piss everybody off

 

[oali24]

5 minutes ago, akio123008 said:

Well I use shift all the time, because I also use it to type special characters etc, and don't forget about holding it down to run while gaming. You still need it for that regardless of your language. 

 

ISO just really sucks to most people that aren't typing in arabic or are using loads of special characters.

 

 

I don't really see why the small shift is bad, my pinkie can reach it just fine as a touch typist.