help me convince my dad to get a gaming rig

[pnemino]

just for some context, ive always wanted a gaming pc for the past 4 years, but my dad refuses to get me one, since he believes that it is "damaging to the health", "is a waste of time", "has no benefit", and "brings about violence in kids". im 16 years old and i live in india, so i am not legally allowed to get a job anywhere, coz thats how the rules here work, which is why i cannot earn money and buy a pc for myself. all this while, ive been using a pc with a AMD Athlon II X2 250 with no dGPU and 2 gigs of RAM, and it is honestly frustrating and puzzling as to how i managed all these years with that potato.

 

now that i am almost heading to college, and am studying computer science and designing, my dad has agreed to get me a new laptop, since i will need a laptop for college and cannot carry a desktop around. he has given me a budget of 50000 INR (or 600-700 USD), and the only laptops that fit under this budget are those with a either a 1050 or a 1650, and since this is the system that i will be using for about 4-5 years, i honestly cant see it run games releasing within the next 2-3 years. my dad is willing to increase my budget all the way up to 120,000 INR(or about 1000-1100 USD) which would get me a laptop with a i7-10750H and an rtx 2060, but wont do so unless i give him a convincing reason as to why i need all that horsepower in the laptop. if i tell him that i would game on it, he would probably even take back his first offer of even getting me a laptop in the first place.

 

id like your help in giving me some reasons as to why one would need a system of this power, that are not gaming related. im sorry if this post seems funny or desperate or illogical, but i guess desperate times call for desperate measures.

[ColdPressCoconutOil]

what course exactly are you studying? maybe the course you've chosen actually could require a powerful system

[Dedayog]

Show him that your computer science degree needs a stout machine to do XXX.  Where XXX is that shit you'll be doing.

 

 

[boggy77]

also bear in mind the 1660ti in laptops is pretty powerful and usually much cheaper than the 2060 (no rtx tax). 

[homeap5]

Easy - power is power, no matter for what. More power = more possibilities and computer last longer without upgrading (and laptop != uprade).

 

But in fact I would get cheapest laptop you can buy so your father will be happy, you'll learn more how to optimize programs and stop wasting your precious time to play games. And then, after 15 years of studying and 5 years of working, you'll buy most powerful computer you can get.

[minibois]

Look for a laptop with the option to add a GPU enclosure (although that might be unlikely for the budget set) or just buy something yourself with your own money.

[Mateyyy]

8 minutes ago, pnemino said:

now that i am almost heading to college, and am studying computer science and designing, my dad has agreed to get me a new laptop, since i will need a laptop for college and cannot carry a desktop around. he has given me a budget of 50000 INR (or 600-700 USD), and the only laptops that fit under this budget are those with a either a 1050 or a 1650, and since this is the system that i will be using for about 4-5 years, i honestly cant see it run games releasing within the next 2-3 years.

So what will you be studying - computer science or gaming?

 

Think about the fact that there might be more reasons for your father not wanting to buy you a faster (or gaming) laptop, other than "gaming being bad" or whatever. If that was the sole reason, he would've probably grown sick of you asking him about it and bought you one without batting an eye. Try and look at things beyond surface level.

 

Better CPUs/GPUs can be beneficial for 3D rendering, video editing, photo editing - plenty of other things, to answer your question.

If you're going to list these as reasons for him to buy you the laptop with better specs for gaming though, and you convince him, then at least try and be a little subtle about you doing none of those things in reality.

Or maybe this'll make you actually try out some of these other possibilities faster hardware allows (or improves the experience of), which would actually be a good thing.

Edited October 5, 2020 by Mateyyy

[homeap5]

Or you can choose different path - say that you need Celeron with integrated graphics, worst possible, and you'll start studying computers so much that you'll be able to create revolutionary directx alternative and game engine that will run Crysis-like games in 240 frames/second in 8K with ultra settings on integrated gpu. Then you can sell that technology for millions of dollars and buy the best computer on the planet.

 

Sorry for not so serous answer, but question is not so serous too.

 

[jaslion]

13 minutes ago, pnemino said:

just for some context, ive always wanted a gaming pc for the past 4 years, but my dad refuses to get me one, since he believes that it is "damaging to the health", "is a waste of time", "has no benefit", and "brings about violence in kids". im 16 years old and i live in india, so i am not legally allowed to get a job anywhere, coz thats how the rules here work, which is why i cannot earn money and buy a pc for myself. all this while, ive been using a pc with a AMD Athlon II X2 250 with no dGPU and 2 gigs of RAM, and it is honestly frustrating and puzzling as to how i managed all these years with that potato.

 

now that i am almost heading to college, and am studying computer science and designing, my dad has agreed to get me a new laptop, since i will need a laptop for college and cannot carry a desktop around. he has given me a budget of 50000 INR (or 600-700 USD), and the only laptops that fit under this budget are those with a either a 1050 or a 1650, and since this is the system that i will be using for about 4-5 years, i honestly cant see it run games releasing within the next 2-3 years. my dad is willing to increase my budget all the way up to 120,000 INR(or about 1000-1100 USD) which would get me a laptop with a i7-10750H and an rtx 2060, but wont do so unless i give him a convincing reason as to why i need all that horsepower in the laptop. if i tell him that i would game on it, he would probably even take back his first offer of even getting me a laptop in the first place.

 

id like your help in giving me some reasons as to why one would need a system of this power, that are not gaming related. im sorry if this post seems funny or desperate or illogical, but i guess desperate times call for desperate measures.

Just say that for the programs you need you need more cores and for the designing a better gpu would go a very long way or something in the lines of that. Also add that you'll be able to get a higher quality machine that will last you the 4-5 years as most cheaper laptops really take a big beating from daily carry around classes and whatnot.

[SkillTim]

Maybe try actually earning money. Ask your dad for odd jobs if nessecary.

[Helpful Tech Witch]

12 minutes ago, pnemino said:

is a waste of time", "has no benefit

If you google "Doctors videogames tests" you can lots of articals that show that video games are both not a waste of time and are beneficial.

[kelvinhall05]

Spoiler

 

[Helpful Tech Witch]

2 minutes ago, SkillTim said:

Maybe try actually earning money. Ask your dad for odd jobs if nessecary.

 

20 minutes ago, pnemino said:

im 16 years old and i live in india, so i am not legally allowed to get a job anywhere, coz thats how the rules here work, which is why i cannot earn money and buy a pc for myself.

he said here that he cant earn enough money. and I know this type of parent, he'll probably not pay him to do odd jobs.

[Helpful Tech Witch]

Just now, kelvinhall05 said:

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he may, depending on what he does.

[kelvinhall05]

Just now, HelpfulTechWizard said:

he may, depending on what he does.

Extremely unlikely, if he needs a lot of GPU power for work he'd like benefit more from a Quadro or similar.

[Helpful Tech Witch]

Just now, kelvinhall05 said:

Extremely unlikely, if he needs a lot of GPU power for work he'd like benefit more from a Quadro or similar.

we dont have a next gen quadro, so a 3090 still might be the best bet. isnt the 3090 faster in most cases than a quadro 5000, for like 1000$ less?

[kelvinhall05]

Just now, HelpfulTechWizard said:

we dont have a next gen quadro, so a 3090 still might be the best bet. isnt the 3090 faster in most cases than a quadro 5000, for like 1000$ less?

It's possible, although my point still stands. Maybe not right this second, but when the next gen Quadros come out (soon, right?) they will likely be faster than a 3090 in some workloads.

 

 

I also think you're taking my original joke a bit too seriously...

[Helpful Tech Witch]

3 minutes ago, kelvinhall05 said:

It's possible, although my point still stands. Maybe not right this second, but when the next gen Quadros come out (soon, right?) they will likely be faster than a 3090 in some workloads.

 

 

I also think you're taking my original joke a bit too seriously...

not taking it seriously, bored in study hall. I dont think theres anything on the quadro launch.

EDIT: it seems to be december, but thats a leak/prediction so.

[Biomecanoid]

Only way to get more power for the given budget is to get a desktop, Plus laptops are not meant for gaming the intense heat and continued usage shorten their life and destroys the battery

[HanZie82]

Also computers and their uses are the future.
You NEED to know howto work a computer. So however anyone thinks about it. It is a NECESSITY for the younger generation to educate themselves in the use of computing.

Also (im to lazy to google some sources) but its well known that gaming on reasonable levels WILL increase your dexterity and hand-eye coordination.
 

Also dont get a notebook, they are way more expensive and have lots less power.

 

 

And also, over here you're allowed to make your own money if your 16 or older. Maybe just pay for it yourself then nobody can tell you what you can and cannot buy.

 

[pnemino]

39 minutes ago, ColdPressCoconutOil said:

what course exactly are you studying? maybe the course you've chosen actually could require a powerful system

as of now its a python programming and graphic designing course, but i am interested in things like 3d rendering and game development.

[pnemino]

37 minutes ago, minibois said:

Look for a laptop with the option to add a GPU enclosure (although that might be unlikely for the budget set) or just buy something yourself with your own money.

the gpu enclosure shenanigan is WAY out of my overall budget

i wish i could, i dont get any pocket money(my parents dont hesitate to buy me anything much), and its illegal for citizens under the age of 18 to get a job.

 

[boggy77]

2 minutes ago, pnemino said:

graphic designing course, but i am interested in things like 3d rendering

you definitely need a gpu for these

3 minutes ago, pnemino said:

game development.

maybe don't mention this

[pnemino]

39 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

So what will you be studying - computer science or gaming?

kinda a mix of both actually, i want to get into graphic and game dev

40 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

Think about the fact that there might be more reasons for your father not wanting to buy you a faster laptop. If that was the sole reason, he would've probably grown sick of you asking him about it and bought you one without batting an eye.

im sorry, i understand what you are trying to say, but his hatred towards gaming is pretty strong. he made me sell my ps2 which was gifted to me about 3 months after i was able to use it. i dont score bad in school as well, and i am physically active. so when i ask him why not, most of his arguments are pointless.

 

[Pndude1000]

I would just gather all of the facts. How I convinced my dad to let me build a gaming rig was I told him what I was going to use it for. I made a deal with him, right after I finished building it I was going to build a clean website talking about how I built my gaming rig. Also I used it for video editing. Go straight up to your dad and talk make a deal with him. For example, I will make a video game using that laptop or something or make a autonomous rc car or some other project to prove him that you will use it for productivity. After you finish making the project show him it and probably and that point he will be convinced to let you use it for gaming. Also, I think in India you can get a internship at 14. By the way you need high specs for computer science because usually when I am coding I easily use a whole 4GB ram and for video editing I use around 16GB or ram. Rather then getting a 600 USD bad computer and then having to buy another 600 USD computer. You can just buy a 1200 USD which will last longer. Sorry for the bad grammar i was in a rush.