TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE BOTTLENECK!

[undercooked spaghetti]

Hi, i have an i7-4790 paired with a GTX 1070 with 16gb RAM. In every CPU intensive game, i get very very terrible bottleneck. I'm saying bottleneck because of the very low fps. In PUBG, i get 40-50-60 FPS on all max @1080p where it should be constant 100+. Decreasing the graphic settings does not increase my FPS. Not only PUBG, but Farcry, COD WARZONE and GTA etc. All games stutter like hell. YES, MY TEMPS ARE ABSOLUTELY FINE. It's the CPU/GPU utilization. I get high CPU usage and low GPU usage when playing CPU demanding games. I have tried every fix i could but nothing helped. 

 

The fix i have in mind: Upgrade my CPU.

 

So, I'm thinking of upgrading my CPU to AMD RYZEN. Now i can upgrade to Ryzen 5 3600 with no problems since it's easily availaible and doesn't cost that much either. But my friend is telling me to wait for AMD to launch it's next gen CPUs and that's what i wanna do as well. I also want something that is future proof. Maybe something like a Ryzen 7 3700x but the difference in the cost between R5 and R7 is huge. Since the price for a better mobo,ram should also be kept in mind. (ryzen 7). I have 3 options:

 

Upgrade to Ryzen 5 3600 and release myself from this bottlenecking hell

Upgrade to Ryzen 7 3700x will have to wait till next summer (around 5-6 months)

Wait for 5th Gen AMD.

 

What should i do?

[agatong55]

Wait for next gen amd, they will be announced in 7 days and shortly after you will see prices fall for the 3000 series unless there is something your price range that will be released for the next gen.

[Grabhanem]

6 minutes ago, undercooked spaghetti said:

Hi, i have an i7-4790 paired with a GTX 1070 with 16gb RAM. In every CPU intensive game, i get very very terrible bottleneck. I'm saying bottleneck because of the very low fps. In PUBG, i get 40-50-60 FPS on all max @1080p where it should be constant 100+. Decreasing the graphic settings does not increase my FPS. Not only PUBG, but Farcry, COD WARZONE and GTA etc. All games stutter like hell. YES, MY TEMPS ARE ABSOLUTELY FINE. It's the CPU/GPU utilization. I get high CPU usage and low GPU usage when playing CPU demanding games. I have tried every fix i could but nothing helped. 

 

The fix i have in mind: Upgrade my CPU.

 

So, I'm thinking of upgrading my CPU to AMD RYZEN. Now i can upgrade to Ryzen 5 3600 with no problems since it's easily availaible and doesn't cost that much either. But my friend is telling me to wait for AMD to launch it's next gen CPUs and that's what i wanna do as well. I also want something that is future proof. Maybe something like a Ryzen 7 3700x but the difference in the cost between R5 and R7 is huge. Since the price for a better mobo,ram should also be kept in mind. (ryzen 7). I have 3 options:

 

Upgrade to Ryzen 5 3600 and release myself from this bottlenecking hell

Upgrade to Ryzen 7 3700x will have to wait till next summer (around 5-6 months)

Wait for 5th Gen AMD.

 

What should i do?

Can you run Fire Strike and post your results? the 4790 is a pretty capable CPU, and while it's certainly not top of the line anymore, it shouldn't be holding you back to that degree.

[_Omega_]

sounds strange... the CPU should handle PUBG quite well

 

[Bombastinator]

All future proof means is it tends to last longer. 3700x was released several years ago so some of its “futureproofness” is already used up.  5th gen AMD will be out in less than 5-6 months, so it’s 3600 now or 5xxx later.  3700 will possibly get cheap as a used part after 5xxx stuff comes out.  There are some 5xxx claims now (which may be BS) that are claiming 25% single thread improvement over 3xxx (4xxx was all just 3xxx APUs and doesn’t count) 

[miagisan]

1 minute ago, Bombastinator said:

All future proof means is it tends to last longer. 3700x was released several years ago so some of its “futureproofness” is already used up.  5th gen AMD will be out in less than 5-6 months, so it’s 3600 now or 5xxx later.  3700 will possibly get cheap as a used part after 5xxx stuff comes out.  There are some 5xxx claims now (which may be BS) that are claiming 25% single thread improvement over 3xxx (4xxx was all just 3xxx APUs and doesn’t count) 

3700x was launched last year (7/9/19).   How is that several years ago?

[Biomecanoid]

You should be able to play most games out there. Run time spy benchmark to see how you rank up.

[Bombastinator]

3 minutes ago, miagisan said:

3700x was launched last year (7/9/19).   How is that several years ago?

Really? Ryzen2 is Only a year old?  Seems longer. 3700x was the first ryzen2 cpu released.   7//9/19 would be 14 coming up on 15 months. Near a year and a half is perhaps less than several. It’s one of those vague words. Implies 2 or more.  There’s still a good chance still I think that a 3700x will overpower whatever XboxX or PS5 can throw cpu wise.  The rest of the machine is less assured.  My point is that even talking about “future proof” isn’t forever. Part of the issue is that mainly because of intel’s pfaffing about, there are 10 year old CPUs that can still game.  I do not thinks this is likely to happen again.   I think there is a decent chance that a 3700x will be useful for gaming through the next generation of consoles.  If that is 5 years (as it has been in the past) that is how long it will be.  If they do another set of consoles in 2 years though it will only be that long.

[Hairless Monkey Boy]

27 minutes ago, undercooked spaghetti said:

Hi, i have an i7-4790 paired with a GTX 1070 with 16gb RAM. In every CPU intensive game, i get very very terrible bottleneck.

 

28 minutes ago, undercooked spaghetti said:

In PUBG, i get 40-50-60 FPS

My wife and I play PUBG all the time. Her build is in my sig. pretty similar to yours, granted the 4790K is OCed to 4.8Ghz. Still though, she gets well over 100FPS on medium-ish settings. Something is wrong with your configuration.

[xg32]

29 minutes ago, undercooked spaghetti said:

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ride it out til you can get zen 3, it's faster than all existing cpus.

[Bombastinator]

Just now, HairlessMonkeyBoy said:

 

My wife and I play PUBG all the time. Her build is in my sig. pretty similar to yours, granted the 4790K is OCed to 4.8Ghz. Still though, she gets well over 100FPS on medium-ish settings. Something is wrong with your configuration.

How many does she get with the overclock OFF though? OP has a 4970 not a 4970k. It’s most especially not a gold chip 4970k.

[Nena Trinity]

24 minutes ago, _Omega_ said:

sounds strange... the CPU should handle PUBG quite well

 

That game runs shitty on anything to be fair...

[undercooked spaghetti]

6 minutes ago, HairlessMonkeyBoy said:

 

My wife and I play PUBG all the time. Her build is in my sig. pretty similar to yours, granted the 4790K is OCed to 4.8Ghz. Still though, she gets well over 100FPS on medium-ish settings. Something is wrong with your configuration.

The "k" and the 4.8Ghz. That's the difference my guy. I've seen some benchmarks on youtube. They agree to the strange bottleneck between an i7-4790 and a GTX 1070. I've noticed this too. If I'm playing Farcry 5 on 1080p, i'll get 60-70 fps and dips to 40 on all ultra. If i change that to 4k, all bottleneck is eliminated and i get a very stable 56 FPS on all maxed out.

[Hairless Monkey Boy]

2 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

How many does she get with the overclock OFF though? OP has a 4970 not a 4970k. It’s most especially not a gold chip 4970k.

I would guess she gets around 120FPS average. 4.8Ghz 4790K is at most 20% faster than 4.0Ghz 4790. Another ~5% if the OP is running 1600Mhz instead of her 2200Mhz RAM.

120FPS/(1+0.20+0.05) = 96FPS

 

@undercooked spaghetti

It's all irrelevant, though. If you want to upgrade then you should.

 

I agree with the others that you should wait for Zen 3.

[miagisan]

42 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Really? Ryzen2 is Only a year old?  Seems longer. 3700x was the first ryzen2 cpu released.   7//9/19 would be 14 coming up on 15 months. Near a year and a half is perhaps less than several. It’s one of those vague words. Implies 2 or more.  There’s still a good chance still I think that a 3700x will overpower whatever XboxX or PS5 can throw cpu wise.  The rest of the machine is less assured.  My point is that even talking about “future proof” isn’t forever. Part of the issue is that mainly because of intel’s pfaffing about, there are 10 year old CPUs that can still game.  I do not thinks this is likely to happen again.   I think there is a decent chance that a 3700x will be useful for gaming through the next generation of consoles.  If that is 5 years (as it has been in the past) that is how long it will be.  If they do another set of consoles in 2 years though it will only be that long.

Not even close to a couple, let alone a few.  

[Bombastinator]

1 hour ago, miagisan said:

Not even close to a couple, let alone a few.  

Definitions of terms.  It is said that a buttload is less than a fuckton.

[Mick Naughty]

Depends how desperate you are. 
Buy what’s available now or wait for new stuff and wait till you can get it and upgrade the entire system. 
Surprised you used that cpu as long as you didn’t 4th gen stuff hasn’t been good in a few years. 

[Gohardgrandpa]

First of all pub g is a total shit show. I’ve got over 1,000 hours played on pc. Don’t run it on max settings, turn foliage and shadows to very low and it should make a big difference for you. 
That’s a very bad game to see what your performance is looking like. Try siege and see how that goes 

[Yoshi Moshi]

Man I used to have that EXACT CPU. Let me tell you. When I would play games where there were a lot of characters on screen, all that AI generation on the CPU would TANK my frame rate, even on a 2080 Ti. For example when I would get into villages with a bunch of people I would tank down to low 40 FPS, and it would be nearly unplayable at times. However in areas like jungle environments or with only a few enemies to fight, there was absolutely no problem. I was GPU bound.

 

So I think you should upgrade your CPU. It wasn't cutting it for me. Even at 1440p, i had great issues on that CPU.

 

I would recommend at LEAST 8 core 16 thread CPU as this is what the consoles will have. i9 9900k or the tenth generation one.

 

Or whatever the CPU from AMD is in the 3000 series with 8 core 16 thread, or if you want get the 3900X or XT variant. I currently have the 3900x and haven't had any issues at all.

 

Can get a higher core count so you don't have to upgrade for a bit if you want. I want to get at least 8 years out of the 3900x. I hope I can make it.

[Helpful Tech Witch]

7 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

3700x was released several years ago so some of its

several years? jul 2019 i like a year and a half.

[TechNurd]

that doesnt sound right. my 4790 (non k) handles PUBG just fine. the only games that hammer my CPU are BFV and Warzone. did you change anything in the BIOS? 

[Yoshi Moshi]

Nope changed nothing. I was in shadow of tomb raider on my 4790 at 1440p on 2080 Ti max settings. High populated areas with lots of characters on display tanked the frame rate. The CPU couldn't handle the AI and I would see my GPU drop down to like 60 percent use lol in these areas. Other areas no problem, GPU bound at 100 percent use

[Bombastinator]

3 hours ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

several years? jul 2019 i like a year and a half.

Discussed earlier. 

[xAcid9]

Don't mix up shitty optimization with CPU bottleneck. 

[Ricardo Harrow]

3 minutes ago, xAcid9 said:

Don't mix up shitty optimization with CPU bottleneck. 

He mentioned that all his games stutter like crazy. I wonder what could possibly be the cause for the all the stuttering he's getting.

 

@undercooked spaghetti I'm assuming you're running dual channel RAM, right?